More land extorsion: W-Hat group

You just said that extortion is, paraphrased: the use of criminal means to cause harm to property as a means to obtain property with consent.

Ok, so certain members of a certain group drop a ton of litter on someones property in order to frustrate the owner enough that they sell said property to said group for very cheap.

And you don't see how this is extortion? It is EXACTLY what the definition is! It does not matter that you can just delete it, the point is if you had to delete a bunch of stuff every day from your land, you will get pissed off enough and just give up and sell it. Now I don't know every rule by heart, but I thought that was against the rules, therefore illegal.

Have you read this whole thread? O_o

Anshe, we are simply having fun. We call it a 3d fyad. If you don't like it, move.

Wow ashey you're complaining that people are putting stuff that you don't like next to you're property? My voice wasn't heard when you pretty much made me move out because of you nice big FOR SALE sign that was plastered in my window.

What comes around goes around, you have the means to not even been near that W-Hat area, I'm sure both ends would be happy. Sell out to them for a high price and move on to the next sim you want.

That's uncalled for. Just because you don't like something that someone has every right to do in SL, doesn't mean you can violate their rights by littering their property with junk.

Items that intrude in your land while having the root prim in someone else's land cannot be automatically nor manually returned.

Holy Crap, long thread, I will get around to reading this thread eventually because im sure it is full of LOL but for now, ill just say this: A) I bought the land in question because I had a premium account, and had no land, I am a member of W-Hat, and saw land for sale next door. I had wanted to own land, so what better place to own land in then right next to our HQ? 2) I set the land to group, so that other people could have fun with the land or whatever they wanted to do with it until I came up with something to put there, C) The fact that items were on your land that you had up for sale is not my fault, as none of it was mine, further more Anshe, if you had set your land for sale to not allow building/set it to return items then there would not be an issue with items on your land, and 4) Just because you don't like what we built, does not mean it is there to harass anyone, you don't like it? Tough, i bought the land, it is mine to do with how I please, it is in no way abuse. And E) The land was put up for sale at a ridiculously high price because in the past when I owned land, i set the price higher then it was worth because there is an off chance that sometime in the future someone might be willing to pay that much for it, and it doesn't hurt me at all to set the price high.

If you filed abuse reports, I have no doubt I will recieve at least a 3 day ban, as Linden Labs never look at the abuse reports. I recieved an abuse report an hour after I started my character because I happened to be in W-Hat when some other people had abuse reports filed against them and LL decided that I was online so I should recieve one too, despite the fact that I was several sims away.
When I recieve my 3 day ban, I will make sure to reply with Linden Labs in the same way I replied in this thread, although I will never get a response back, just like I have been sending the same e-mail every few days about the incident that happened over a month ago in which I recieved an abuse report against me, But what the hell, im a masochist and like to torture myself with things like that. If it doesn't get me results, at the very least they will have to click 'delete' on my email once every few days.

I never said it was right. Also I edited my post. But I never said it was right for them to do it. I just simply meant to convey that I don't care about her being forced to deal with the W-Hats. For what she put me through and I'm sure 100's of others ingame that don't use the forums, I could care less what happens to her. Thats all. Although I want to just remind her that going around pissing people off has its down side. Word of mouth is the best and worst tool a business person can have. I'd just like to let everyone in on how she does things.

The way she contucts business is poor in my mind thats all, and thats my opinion. She wants attention in her favor, and it won't come from me.

Damn, 12 pages of this?

Can we go back to where Ulrika and Anshe were fighting? That was kinda hott.

I couldnt get past page one before it was full of flames against Anshe. there needs to be something done about land extortion or I will start the tactic myself. This is utter BS to allow someone to exploit the rules for financial gain and for the lindens to suggest talking to the greiferas a solution. the person is purposfully doing what they are doing and asking them to stop is rediculous. abuse reporting is worthless, and the whole time it greatly devalues the land around for everyone and anyone. Something has to be done and has to be done soon or you will see some new ugly crap by yours truely selling for nothing less then 10+m2. I will begin in a week unless I am told its against the rules why not? SL seems to not mind.


btw LL couldnt give a rats ass how much money anyone has. these tactics are outragous no matter who it is being done to even if its Anshe or any other land trader.

Hey just an FYI - for anyone who is interested...if I'm on my way to a shop or mall to spend my (now tightly guarded) Lindens - I really don't give a rat's hiney what litters your land - I barely know what land is yours...I'm just on a mission to buy me some new hair or some new clothes or SHOES OMG SHOES I LOVE THEM. While I realize it may be an inconvenience for you to have to keep cleaning up the crap on your land that's not yours...don't do it because you think others look and say "oh my - what a dirty person this land owner is". Truly doesn't phase me in the least

That's all 31 Flavors of toxic.

Why should we have the nannies run the game? Phil said he didn't want to get involved in all this player stuff. His game already has a built-in freedom-of-expression device called the "negrate," and while he's made it lots more expensive (freedom of the press belongs to him who owns one), still, for a situation like this, $25 is cheap at the price to negrate the person responsible for this situation. There are many situations like this that fall in the "moral" or "character" realm and not the realm of a strict-construction TOS violation. There has to be ways for the community to deal with such annoyances. I said "harried and bullied by every subjectivity" which was an abstraction, and didn't actually use those terms about this action, but from what we've seen, it does seem to involve bullying. There's an important factlet we haven't obtained yet, which is the DATE of purchase of the property and DATE of the build such as to judge whether it was in reaction to Anshe or not. Looks like it was.

Merwan and Siggy couldn't agree it was ugly. W-Hat, maybe put it on THEIR land then lol? Or next to their land? Just kidding! But I feel I am making progress if Ingrid is willing to state twice that it's ugly and malicious and Kit is willing to bring in the Lindens to mediate! Progress!

But Weedy, you weren't looking at the previous threads. I already said get in there and negrate rather than give in to helpless frustration. I personally volunteer to spend $25 on the effort. I just don't think you get to be so inconsiderate of your neighbours, they'd expect the same of you. You just don't get to do that in the name of -- dare I say it? I dare...in the name of fuck-you hedonism

Anshe bought the land a few days ago. Here's a picture of part of the neighboring plot (W-Hat HQ) from almost a month ago. That place has always been ugly, or at least it has been since I first visited it back in September.



Anshe made a stupid business decision and now has buyer's remorse. Instead of sucking it up and taking a loss on her land speculation she's decided to post about it on an internet forum. Cry me a fucking river.

Sometimes the purpose of art is to shock and even provoke as a way of challenging people's preconceptions. The fact that some of you can't seem to handle it doesn't give you the right to suppress it.

If someone puts objects in a position that they hang over your land then report the owners of those objects. I fully support reporting people who do things like that. That is, if you're not too busy creating drama on the forums.

If you have a big ugly vacant lot like Anshe's in Baku then don't be surprised when trash accumulates in it. Set your land to auto-return. There is no reason why a land speculator who is not actually using the land can't do this unless she's looking for an excuse to create drama on the forums.

I've read quite a few threads on this forum in which someone has suggested zoning and they were always shouted down, probably by a lot of the people posting in this thread. Well guess what, you made your bed now you lie in it you whiney little drama queens.

I am not actually expecting this message to change any of your minds or anything, I just wanted to say right to you how stupid I think most of you are. Thank goodness the forums population is not representative of the general SL population.

"Watch us beat your meat"?

Geez.

*Negrate*

Organized negrating is a violation of the TOS.

He didnt organize anything from what i see.
You call others stupid, but maybe you should put a mirror between yourself and the monitor.

By the way, from what i see on the lower left of the pic, the creator of that building shouldnt be negrated, he should be banned right away.

Maybe my last post was too long, and too hard for people to understand, I'll break it down for you.

I bought the plot of land in question.

I did not buy it to be annoying.

The plot is not in the middle of the land Anshe was trying to sell, the only land west of my plot was >1k m^2 and I cannot buy that much land.

Nothing on the plot was mine, the plot was set to group use.

Since the incident I have talked with Anshe, and we came to an understanding, it was a misunderstanding, there is no problem anymore.

There was no harassment, at least not on purpose by anyone.

Maybe you should get your mirror out from between yourself and the monitor and actually read the thread, jackass.

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That sounds like a deliberate effort to provoke a mass negrating to me. But don't take my word for it, why don't we let the Lindens decide?



A gray cube with an airplane stuck in it? How shocking!!!1 How do you walk down the street every day without getting blinded?

Buying the land may have been a dubious business choice on Anshe's part but she didn't complain about the existing build much, did she? W-hat chose to escalate the situation when they could probably have just waited for her to drop the price on her own. Therefore, buyer's remose is no longer the issue.

Asside from that, I know of a few plots that Anshe has probably held onto for at least a few months (like some of her snow property) without being able to sell. You don't see her publicly complaining about those.

I love when people prove my point themselves

But then we might forget. I don't want to forget. NEVAR FORGET.

The point is any drama between Anshe and W-Hat has now been resolved so all this is moot.

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