More land extorsion: W-Hat group

Goodness! I get to choose between two of the groups/corps/entities in SL I hate most! For once, perhaps they can beat one another up and I get to watch! This is Karma in action, folks. I'm gonna sit this one out, deal no sympathy to either of the parties, and sip this thread up like a slow mellow coffee mocha. I am happy.

(It's too bad you spent too much of your time trying to ruin other peoples' land, terraforming land to all-hell, throwing for sale signs across the globe, telling people--audaciously--that what they have on their land is ugly and ruins your property value. Ohhh I'm enjoying this.)*



*I apologize for being so untraditionally evil. But I know I'm not the only one smirking sheepishly right now.

Those 'zany things you do' then are against the ToS, I take it? Griefing, in other words?

I have planted the drama bomb, I repeat the drama bomb is in possition. TAKE COVER!

I fully endorse what Anshe is saying. Her bank balance or business style are not at issue here, and predictably Ulrika has brought them up as the usual Bolshevik "eat-the-rich" distraction when the focus must be on higher moral and economic problems in the game than her personal agenda to install socialism.

The readiness with which people are willing to dispense with principles of justice and morality and fairness because they hate the rich and have an allergy to commerce -- well, it's just breath-taking. It's an outrage. It should be exposed at every turn.

Nobody has the right to trash your property and stick prims part-way on your property and mostly on their property so you can't press "return".

Without further investigation, it's difficult to judge the merits of the 512 owner's claim that he isn't griefing and forcing a purchase, but was always there with his, um, art exhibits.

What's EXTRAORDINARY to me about all the posters here, whether they agreed with Anshe or not, is that they had a COMMON ASSESSMENT ABOUT WHAT IS UGLY.

My word. And you all said it was impossible, and we must be harried and bullied by every subjectivity, and never establish any norm about what is UGLY AND INTRUSIVE.

Why, God bless you, Ingrid. You've articulated what everyone thinks -- these pictures are stupid, ugly, and not even a funny joke for a minute. If someone thinks it's a funny joke for a minute or a decade, let them put it inside their house and not impose it on their neighbours.

Anshe and the rest of you who agree with Anshe, there is the oft-quoted Prokofy solution: negrate. Negrating is for expressing your opinion about someone's build, appearance, or behavior. From what we gather on this story, build and behavior (for trashing another's lawn) definitely get a negrate.

Now why is that so hard to understand? Everyone agrees it is ugly and obnoxious. Why should one 512 land owner with a penchant for ugly and obnoxious get to stand in the way even of a millionaire in this game? Is there no justice or standards of good neighbourliness?

And fortunately, we don't have to run to the Lindens and whine, we don't have to make a player-sponsored court of justice or community commission, we can just reach for $25 and negrate. To be sure, the nervous Nellies at the gates have now made negrating expensive, but by God, if ever there was a situation where the community should express its negative opinion, it's this one. Pressing the negrate button is not a violation of the TOS.

I personally am happy to spend $25 to defend Anshe's honour in this matter, to uphold the principle of justice, and to express my own personal dislike of the ugly obnoxious build.

And while I await a slew of hate posts with the exaggerated belief that I run rampant through SL and negrate, I do believe that to END THE SENSE OF HELPLESSNESS AND FRUSTRATION that negrates, judiciously used, when there is clear and present community consensus of this type, are really a boon not a bane.

You're a very sharp person aren't you? You know just where to appeal to people's doubts about Anshe and you're very good at perpetuating her image of cold-blooded shark.

I do know that you guys try to control as much of Baku as you can because I lived next to you. You started buying up the land around me and you had those ban lines around your property and a huge-ass wall next to my little plot of land. It was pretty obvious I was next. I'm not stupid. It was intimidating. And even if I wasn't "next", it's no fun having a little plot in the middle of a big plot of ugly builds.

People remember stuff you do. And most of them don't like you.

OMG Anshe that so sucks !!! Wow that is so much uglier than your for sale signs
*removes toungue from cheek*
Any Maui land left hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??

Mhhh so what i see in the picture at the beginning of this thread is called art right? No wonder i don't understand modern art.... Btw, does the definition of art include the littering of someone else's land too oor creating eyesores like the one pictured in that image is enough to be defined an artist?

Many of the things we get banned for aren't specified in the TOS and aren't "griefing" but rather because we are associated with a group that the community has decided that our sole reason for exist is to grief. The other members I have met are some of the nicest and most productive people I have met. Why? Because we treat this like a game in which you have fun in, not like a machine that churns out USD. You may say many things about me as an individual or the people I choose to associate with but do not call us cold hearted.

LOL I love you Michi
never thought I'd say that

WOW
What goes around does come around eh??

Please tell me this is satire.

Oh, ok, so just because you are a well known group who has a reputation for causing trouble, we should just all bend over and take it, huh? What you do on your own damn land is your own damn business (although it seems a mojority of SL land owners have no sense of taste or respect). But what you do on someone else's land is that persons business. If you litter it, destroy it, build on it or otherwise cause damage to it, that is called distruction of personal property. It does not matter who you are or who they are.

Let's say for a moment that she is doing just what you said. So what? It that any worse then harassing anyone who buys land close to you so you can buy it out for cheap? She didn't go to any extreames to get you off the land, she mearly bought it. If you had left her land alone, she couldn't "get public support against" you for so-called "minor infractions" could she? She'd have nothing to go on, would get sick of the land soon and probably sell it anyway, if that's the only reason she bought it. Seems to me, if you really believed that, you'd have left her alone and not give her the ammo to do it.

Oh, and you probably didn't realise this, but you just admitted that you put things that are concidered "ugly" on your land so people won't live there. Of course, if it's on your land, it's your choice. But admitting to that sort of takes away from your agrument. Thought you should know.

Even if Anshe DID buy the propery for the very reasons you stated (which is HER business), it doesn't give you an excuse to throw your crap on her land. You call your tactics "zany," I call them immature, stupid and way beyond social norms. Your group is causing problems far outside the acceptable limits and should be punished for it.

Just one more short remark then I leave ....
LOLOLOLOLOLOL !!!!!!!111 one eleven!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you people think the ~150 constituents of W-Hat are some kind of single-minded monolith out to ruin your fun and steal your land, I don't think you know the first thing about us or what we do.

Yes.



No. I never passed any judgement on the content, and I still feel that people are entitled to do what they want on their own land, with caveat that the first assertion of yours I quoted above isn't the case.

Now for the passing judgement bit: while I personally have a hard time believing that what is depicted there is what someone would want on their land, just like Ingrid, it's not really our call. Yes I personally believe this was done with some kind of malicious intent. Several of the group have posted to say not so, and, well, who is to say? Which is why it ought to be up to the Lindens to decide on a course of action. And honestly, if it's just plain ugly, thats not a ToS violation, and if thats the case, no one is being harried or bullied.

I can go to your land and drop a huge toilet on it then take a pic and post it and say what an awful person you are.
How bout coming over to the land in question and seeing for yourself.

I guess if this is the kind of stuff you put on your land on a regular basis, then you're going to expect a negative reaction from your neighbours, its a simple as that. I don't believe in telling people what they should have or shouldn't on their own land, but come on.. exercise some judgement.

And if you don't feel like it, then just eat the criticism and love it.

Yeah yeah, and now maybe we will see that thing disappear and the owner will tell that cruel anshe placed it to frame him, right? oh cruel anshe!
LOL

Ulrika, I love you (did I just say that ? )

Actually I didn't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prokofy Neva

What's EXTRAORDINARY to me about all the posters here, whether they agreed with Anshe or not, is that they had a COMMON ASSESSMENT ABOUT WHAT IS UGLY.





Nor did I.



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Yeah its HER business when she buys out the plot right next to us and creates an intentionally deceiving and controversial topic which is basically trying to get us banned or removed from our own land... right.

Interesting attempt, a bit late, but interesting.
Come on, at least try to retain some dignity.

Me either.

What I commented on was the information that it was done on someone else's land to deliberately grief them into selling the land. I disagree with that practice, regardless of who does it to whom.

If W-Hat owns that land, and they like what they've done with it, (even if they just like the shock value of it, which I suspect is the case) and it isn't violating the TOS, then they have the right to do it. It may not be to my taste, but I don't pay their land tier fees, so it isn't my choice.

Ok I have it out of my system.
My lack of sympathy for Baroness Anshe neither stems with her bank balance or land balance. It stems with her naked hypocrisy uncovered in this thread. She is affronted by a landOWNER putting something on HIS land that she doesn't like. Oh my, extorsion indeed. Love ya Anshe, Mean it.