More land extorsion: W-Hat group

This kind of tactic Anshe, is why I choose not to support you. It was not "mostly" me... there were several people that were protesting. You had no fewer than THREE people offering to help you pull Rose market together, including Gardinya Flora. I counted several people, including currernt merchants at Rose, that were asking you to hold off for a bit so they could help you figure a way to preserve Rose and make it profitable. You ignored all of us and the next day, Rose was gone.

Frankly, I had no personal need to help you manage Rose. I run three SL groups, am a merchant myself with booths all over SL, and just entered a partnership that is proving to be very successful. My time is packed enough as it is. My sole concern in making any offer of assistance at all was trying to keep Rose Market intact.

If you demonstrated more concern for the feelings of others, I would fight for you till the sun turns blue. But as others have pointed out already, you make your business decisions based on personal gain. That's your decision and your right, but you can't make such decisions and at the same time have lots of friends ready to go to battle for you.

So yes, I am angry with your neighbors for their tactics. Yes, I think it is high time Lindens put a stop to such things (and there is lots of such nonsense that happens on SL and it is very unprofessional). I actually agree with you regarding such tactics and I sympathize. But I at the same time I ask you to inspect your own business practices and remember one of the basic 4 questions of the Rotary Group: Is what I am doing for the good of all concerned? And if you change your business practices to take into consideration the feelings and needs of others, then when something like this comes up, you may wind up with dozens of people who are ready to go to battle for you. As it is you have about 5 million supporters... but none of them very loyal.

And for the record, it may have been Talen that physically removed Rose Market. I don't know. I know who made the decision to no longer retain Rose Market so whether Talen did the actual deed or not-- the decision had been made.

Yes, this was a land deal. Yes, Anshe, you legally and ethically have the right to decide what to do with your land. Just as other people have the right to decide how they will play SL-- either in honor or dishonor. And just as I and others have a right to our opinions and responses to such. It is only when everyone considers the good of others in all their dealings that things turn out right. That of course, is an idealistic concept, but one that warrants support, nevertheless.

Btw, I'm not actually sure I even get your reasoning.... if they DON'T have autoreturn they tolerate object placement? What, like, permanently? o.o

I can't speak for the others, but when I see a terrain with object return disabled, I assume the owner tolerates object placement. That easy. That's why you have that option.

And oh, what you call nauseating crazyness, is what we call Club Mo-Ran. If you have different visual esthetics than I have, that's solely your problem. I like the rotating madness, and I'm giggling like a school girl when I see the newest creations each day.

--edit: And holy crap, 5 million Lindens? You really have a reason to complain. Not to mention that you're trying to sell a terrain, you paid 74k for, to people for a total worth of 110k.

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Yes, Anshe, you legally and ethically have the right to decide what to do with your land. Just as other people have the right to decide how they will play SL-- either in honor or dishonor. And just as I and others have a right to our opinions and responses to such. It is only when everyone considers the good of others in all their dealings that things turn out right. That of course, is an idealistic concept, but one that warrants support, nevertheless.

Who ever said something about permanent placement?

They have no right to build over their boundry onto her land dumbass..

snip ... One of our members decided to purchase one of your lots and set up a club on it because it is close to our main lot, which is what you took pictures of. We just started on it however so you can consider it under construction ... snip

I saw the pic that was posted and clearly there was shit spewed over onto her lot that she couldn't delete

Why did that member buy a plot right in the middle of hers? Was it cheaper?

I remember from a different thread about Anshe, that someone suggested buying a plot in the middle of her land and setting up some junk on it. Not saying that member of yours read the thread or thought of it. But it's one way to annoy the frick out of someone while being within your interpretation (screwing over) of the TOS.

This plot of Land in question is Club Mo-ran, yes its for sale for 20k but the owner doesnt really want to sell it. Does that make it extortion? ... snip

Talen, I appreciate your loyalty to Anshe and your willingness to take the responsibility for this.

However, you had openly stated while you were trying to sell the market that you would be willing to leave it intact for anyone who wished to continue it. Anshe didn't "just buy" your property. She made the decision to take down Rose. I was watching the IM as the decision was MADE Talen, with others trying desperately to talk her out of it. And that's what all the flack over Rose is about-- making such a decision that impacts so many people, without any thought for their feelings or needs and without any willingness to take a little bit of time to see if someone could come up with a proposal to preserve that fine landmark. So I don't think anyone is out of joint here in protesting that particular decision... or in pointing out that such decisions impact the way people respond when we ourselves come to a time of need.

Despite all this, I've pointed out some things that may or may not be useful in this current land-battle thing. I don't wish Anshe ill-will... I just regret the elimination of Rose Market-- as do many others I have spoken to over the past week.

I saw the pic that was posted and clearly there was shit spewed over onto her lot that she couldn't delete

Bleh.

People can be such fart-heads. Down with land extorsion!

For this to be extortion that would mean we would have to predict Anshe buying that plot months into the future because thats about how long we've had this plot like this. Quit calling it extortion because it is not. It is buyers remorse.

Talen, I appreciate your loyalty to Anshe and your willingness to take the responsibility for this.

However, you had openly stated while you were trying to sell the market that you would be willing to leave it intact for anyone who wished to continue it. Anshe didn't "just buy" your property. She made the decision to take down Rose. I was watching the IM as the decision was MADE Talen, with others trying desperately to talk her out of it. And that's what all the flack over Rose is about-- making such a decision that impacts so many people, without any thought for their feelings or needs and without any willingness to take a little bit of time to see if someone could come up with a proposal to preserve that fine landmark. So I don't think anyone is out of joint here in protesting that particular decision... or in pointing out that such decisions impact the way people respond when we ourselves come to a time of need.

Despite all this, I've pointed out some things that may or may not be useful in this current land-battle thing. I don't wish Anshe ill-will... I just regret the elimination of Rose Market-- as do many others I have spoken to over the past week.

Talen, I appreciate your loyalty to Anshe and your willingness to take the responsibility for this.

However, you had openly stated while you were trying to sell the market that you would be willing to leave it intact for anyone who wished to continue it. Anshe didn't "just buy" your property. She made the decision to take down Rose. I was watching the IM as the decision was MADE Talen, with others trying desperately to talk her out of it. And that's what all the flack over Rose is about-- making such a decision that impacts so many people, without any thought for their feelings or needs and without any willingness to take a little bit of time to see if someone could come up with a proposal to preserve that fine landmark. So I don't think anyone is out of joint here in protesting that particular decision... or in pointing out that such decisions impact the way people respond when we ourselves come to a time of need.

Despite all this, I've pointed out some things that may or may not be useful in this current land-battle thing. I don't wish Anshe ill-will... I just regret the elimination of Rose Market-- as do many others I have spoken to over the past week.

Oops sorry... it just doesnt look like anything someone would want on their own land if they intended to keep it. None of those pics do.