A few words about the Metaverse Justice Watch

Well you know, I was ..uh using one of those humorous metaphor thingies.

My entire point was from the point of view of the "forum outsider" I was at the time, (still am?), I personally could see that a lot of the biggest and brightest here (kind wonderful folks), literally jumped on most things he said like a "pack of dogs," to the point that he oculd post that it was a nice day practically and he would get insulted.

I am not saying he did not deserve it, I am not saying that Anshe maybe deserves whatever in other peoples eyes either. All I am saying is that there is a very strong appearance to me of this same sort of thing here.

If it was say... PandaStrong... that came up with this exact same idea, same wording, same meeting, the entire forum "pack" would be behind it I think. There would be no rush to join the group and kick him out. There would be no "what does he really want" kind of speculation. Because it was Panda, and everything he says is a gold gem of pure perfection everyone would agree that it was a fine idea.

Panda might say of course that he would never come up with this idea, but that's not the point. Point is if one of the "in" kids came up with it, the reception would be different IMO.

Oh, right, we're all just prejudiced against the poor girl.

Wait, that's a load of Koolaid you're spewing here.

That is simply not true. And I find it rather insulting that you would imply that about people who are speaking up against this issue. It is insulting to me at least. I do not run with a pack, nor will I ever do so. I am an individual. Prok used to say the same thing you just did. He was insulting when he said it too.

If panda did come up with this idea, we'd all know it was a big friggin' joke and laugh about it.


Its the fact that Anshe, Prok, et. al. are taking themselves so very, very seriously. Coupled with the fact that Prok can't stop talking about Aimee's panties and Anshe's comparing their organization to Amnesty International....well crap, the only ones that can take them seriously is themselves.

Since your original request for membership (I don't recall it myself), Neualtenburg has morphed into SL's only nonprofit land cooperative and democratic republic. In many ways it is the antithesis to land monopolies such as yours and the plutocracy you have recently began to promote. In the city there are limits on maximum land ownership, all citizens have a voice in the government, and one's influence is independent of their in-world wealth.

With that said, if you would like to own land in the sim and thus become a citizen, you are more than welcome. Please visit our website for a list of plots.

~Ulrika~

Oh no, another forum conspiracy and we're all out of acronyms! Who will help us in our time of need? Where's the MJW when we are in such peril?

You see, it is sort of like this: If I were to select 100 people at random and show them a pile of dog excrement and allow no communication between them, chances are at least 98 of them would independently recognize it as excrement. These same people would probably agree that the sky is blue, water wet, and snow cold. No wait! that proves it, there must be a conspiracy.

Nevermind.

Prokofy is banned. maybe he shouldn't be given the attacks other posters so regularly make without discipline. The one thing I want to see is a trnasparent justice system, whereby peope can have so basis to know wh they are being banned, and for what actions they were banned. That way there would be more uniform enforcement of the TOS.

In this sense I concurr with he metaverse justice watch. Now I don't especially care if Jesak is a model in someones photo shoot, but I do care that there are mechanisms in place whereby the lindens cannot uses thier influence to unduly affect the playing field.

I realize people have prolems with this position, at least they do right up until the linden actions affect them-like in the GOM situation.

Someone has to put these notions out there for debate and the MJW is as good a body as any to do it.

It already started Jake...lots of hysteria and personal attacks on Anshe's ethnicity which i find incredibly offensive, and hopefully so will the team who reads all the ARs I submitted for every single post that delivers its message about Anshe's endeavors as a personal insult/slur/racist/attack disguised as genuine concern about this group.

This feeding frenzy reminds me of historic accounts about the actions of the KKK.

What a shining example of discourse in the metaverse.

my first reaction to this comment is "you've got to be kidding me". Maybe I've been missing some posts in the thousands that have been churned out -- I've seen references to Anshe's early days dealing with cybersex, but nothing insulting her asian background. If indeed a few posts occurred, are you really going to paint the overwhelming response you're seeing with a brush from a few racist posts? There are always a few idiots but there are a lot more than racist idiots talking in the forums right now.

My guess here is that forum participants got scared, not because Anshe and prok were lobbying for something -- I mean really, they've been doing it all along, so what's new there? -- but with the thought that those two (and others possibly in cahoots) might actually start gaining significant influence.

an over-reaction, yes I would agree. KKK? now that's a joke.

personally, I think philip's got his head screwed on right and has the number of quite a few of the people involved here. That he wants to listen is great.

the MJL has some interesting topics and ideals in mind... just went about it in a disastrous fashion

wow katykiwi, I have not seen anyone attacking her ethnic backround. I did some critisizing but would never bring race in to any arguement. The moment someone resorts to that, they lost the debate.

If in fact someone did attack an entire race just because of one questionable character, they should be banned from SL for good.

Yet, in another thread, Coco, an OFFICER, stated that she was given the agenda, agreed with what it said so accepted the invitation to be an officer??

I have to ditto this. Fundamentally I believe a lobbyist group that advocates fairness for all is unimpeachable. Enrollment in the MJW is open to the general public which in my opinion should end any sort of accusations of secrecy and conspiracy. The MJW is a group of people meeting with the Lindens to discuss their ideas. Anybody can do this. EVERYBODY SHOULD DO THIS!

However for the sake of their own principals I believe there may have been a great many disasterous tactical errors made. The leadership (THE LEADERSHIP!) of the MJW is now on record making cheap shots about panties, accusing me of ending neg-ratings and likening the opposition to the KKK (!)

This is a nosedive I would really like to see this organization pull out of for the sake of their own memebers, and for the sake of any positive changes they hope to enact.

Wow! Panties, nosedive and the KKK all in once paragraph. My body isnt sure how to deal with this. I must rest my brain.

P.S. Chris Wilde is Hitler.



(emoticon denotes joke)

Hey! I'm not an "in" kid and my ideas are listened to. I've come out both for and against Prok, for and against Coco, I've gotten into it with people on this forum. But when I post, I know people are reading it *shrugs*

I do have a stuka in my living room.

This is turning into offensive Mad Libs.


OK, my turn....Hitler (thx Aimee), yeast infections, and rats aboard a sinking ship.

Um... hate to be a wise-ass (or maybe I'm lying about that), but a lobbyist group that advocates fairness for all is not a lobbyist group. Or a public interest group. Or anything, really.

A lobbyist or special interest group has an agenda, and by definition that agenda benefits and includes some people, and excludes others who do not benefit.

The only kind of group I can see that might be ecumenical in character is a group that advocates a balanced and egalitarian system of resident-run administration and justice - if that's even possible - and a formal, systematic method of policy-related communication with the Lindens - if such a method could be made fair.

By the rhetoric both at the meeting and in these forums, I don't have the impression that that's the MJW's agenda. I agree that the MJW is a special interest group, and I think the evidence demonstrates that it's primarily for inworld financial interests who feel threatened by certain LL policies and deliberations.

Fair enough Seth. And I don't consider you a wise ass. If you ARE a wise ass then you are just the right KIND of wise ass

I saw one member post in "pigeon english" and another post a picture of Asians taking pictures. A few others called her derogatory names such as escort. Others made an indirect reference to her use of language by suggesting that someone else drafted her post when the use grammar was correct.

I thought we eliminated the horror of attacking Anshe by posting in pigeon english to ridicule her. I thought we were beyond attacking her ethnic heritage becasue we didnt like her actions in SL.

For those new to the issue, these are the same people who attcked Anshes ethnicity repeatedly in the past when issues of her land purchases arose in the forums.

What does her grammar, manner of speech, ethnicity, personal choice for sexuality have to do with the issues under discussion related to this group.

Some may be unaware of the long history of resorting to ethnic slurs against Anshe, but I remember them.

And Forseti. are you seriously taking the position that ridiculing the ethnicity of an Asian is not as serious a matter as persecuting Blacks by the KKK? Its all race baiting and its all wrong. If you think this is not a serious matter then please explain to me why race baiting of Anshe, ridiculing her language, stereotyping her enthic heritage through the use of pictures is acceptable. Close your eyes to it if you must, but I cannot.

I have devoted a large part of my professional career to pro bono representation in matters of discrimination and inequity. I abhor racism and inequitable treatment in all forms along with its insidious disguised methods of presentation.

Is this the world we want to create in SL? One where its acceptable to do that to another member? Who is next...Hispanics, Jews..What , we dont like your post so lets attack your accent. We dont like yout philosophy so lets stereotype your ethnic heritage. If you post with errors we will attack your poor grammar, but if you get assistance then we will accuse you of other infractions.

What do any of these insults./slurs/observations have to do with the group. Tell me people, I really want to know how it relates.

So you agree with Forseti that racist attacks on Anshe's ethnic heritage, inclusing her manner of speech are a fair response to the issues pertaining to the group. How sad for you and Forseti that you live by these standards.

If I were to address a post made by a Black member with whom i disagreed and in my reply I were to use a racist dialect to ridicule and characterize that member, I think EVERYONE here would agree that would be unacceptable.

Why then is it acceptable to deliver that form of racism to an Asian member?

Where is the list of what races/ethnic heritages are fair game for personal attack?

Please tell me fellow metaverse explorers...is it ok to slur Jews by posting a picture of a Rabbi with a long nose when you disagree with a post made by a Jew?

WHich ethnic heritage is fair game for insidious attack Aimee and Forseti, please tell me. And oh by the way, what are your ethnic heritages I would like to know if its on the protection list or not.

Katy,

Wow, you are knee deep in some rhetoric there. Evoking the KKK. Racism? Please, that is complete and utter bullshit. Anyone with half a brain and the ability to read can notice that Anshe switches to suddenly speaking flawless English when it suits her. That is not an attack on her ethnicity, that is an attack on her credibility. It has zero to do with her being Asian, and everything to do with the PR games she has always played in the forums. It's all part of Anshecorp.

The only one making it a racial issue is you. For someone who claims to be so concerned about racism, playing the race card in situations that have nothing to do with race does little to bolster your cause. Additionally, daring to compare it to the KKK is insulting. What's next, holocaust references?

The issue of her use of speech as manipulation and her credibility are very topical when she is the spokesperson for a group trying to get Linden Lab to change policy.

No its insidious Cris and resorting to use of pigeon english is NOT the way to address the issue. Yes i dare to compare since i devote my professional life to combatting the insidious presence of racism in all its disguised forms, I will speak out no matter how unpopular the subject of ridicule is among her detractors.

Edited to add: Tell me Cris, what is the hierarchy of tolerance for ethnic slurs? Do we have the most heightened sensitivity for slurs against Blacks and then somewhere down at the bottom of the list we find Asians? Where are Hispanics on the list? Jews?

Um, she was an escort.

And those were Japanese tourists. Not Chinese. You might think they're interchangeable, but I assure you if you ask citizens of either country, they'll have something different to say.

It is pidgin English, and please show me where this was done, since you keep making references to it?