Open Letter to So Many Anti-Government Whiners
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Kathy Yamamoto
Publisher and Surrealist
Join date: 1 May 2003
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01-25-2005 09:46
Damn. Sure a lot of cowards and lazy people. You guys are starting to bore me now. You carp and whine in so MANY different threads.
So, you all had such heinous experiences with player governments that you intend to run screaming into the woods in the face of the Great Purge that would surely follow the first democratic election in Second Life.
I wasn’t aware there had been such extensive history with so many fully realized player governments! Still, you all must be working off pure scientific experience in order to make such dramatic categorical statements about our abilities to govern ourselves. According to your wide ranging experience, we’ll surely all go straight to hell in a handbasket, if we so much as glance at a voting booth. Frankly, I’d agree with you if I was afraid any of you might get elected yourselves. But, with you all running off like sissies, I guess you won’t be in charge of anything. Gives me great confidence.
Ya know? Good riddance. You were just the folks we needed to make self-government work - not! Don’t let the door hit ya in the butt. If you lack the intelligence and imagination to see the positive possibilities here, then you were just baggage anyway. Perhaps the frame rate will go up a bit when you’re gone.
We will have a player-run government here. Have no doubt. We will have it by ignoring your whining and just doing it. Or, we will sneak it in when you’re not looking. Or we will leak it in from Neualtenburg. Or we will nurse it along on an island sim and grow it until we have proof that you’re full of crap.
One way or the other, we will have it. We are sick of your constant gripes about how the Lindens don’t feed you properly, or wipe your butt gently enough, or don’t understand how your gaming experience is so much more significant than everyone else’s. Everyone around you is conspiring against you. We’re just looking for a way to make your life a living hell. Damn, you must be important in your own mind. Or is it that you thought Second Life was meant to be some sort of hyper extension to your own back yard? And anyone who wants to make plans for their own future better run it past you first?
Well, forget it. It isn’t your yard. You aren’t the boss here. You own absolutely nothing. You’re just renters with a bad, self-entitled attitude. You aren’t equal citizens – you spit on the concept of citizenship. I don’t care if you stomp off and quit. I really don’t care. You won’t be missed. A few strip clubs will close, that’s all. A few less sex balls will be sold. We’ll most certainly survive. Just do me a favor and all of you raise your hands now so we know who not to bother with. (Someone take notes.)
The Lindens have offered to let us try. We don’t have to rebel against the Company, they’ve actually TOLD us to get on with it! They’ve publicly offered to give us the power to move past the level of self-indulgence and constant wanking that seems to be the norm for some of you. I say we’ll do just that. We’ll see what grand creations and arts we’re capable of when the citizens solve their own problems instead of whining to the sheriff and his posse. How the hell can we get anything done when we’re trying to care for 20000 citizens with 15 Lindens? We need to have local government, so that local issues get dealt with, and people feel their neighbors support them, and neighborhoods and states and cultures can grow. Then we need a national government so that we can maintain a uniform justice with appeals, and provide resources to those who dream a little larger than their own 512 meters.
So, to all of you who think self-government would inconvenience you, or that there just isn’t any room in the world for any vision but your own, get over yourselves. Either consign yourself to the Will of the People, or just slink away. Either way is fine. Or I suppose you can just start back in with the nasty remarks. Go ahead. Hurt my feelings.
To those with hope for the future, let me know. If you don’t want to fight the battle here in the forums, then just drop me an IM or email (kathy@trainorphans.org) and let me know you’re in, even if it’s only for serious discussion.
Don’t let the selfish and arrogant run your Second Life for you. If they really believe self-government is evil, then at least require them to come up with a better argument than temper tantrums, pouting and holding their breath until they turn blue.
It’s time to make the dream come true.
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Aaron Levy
Medicated Lately?
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
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01-25-2005 09:48
... sigh ...
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Camille Serpentine
Eater of the Dead
Join date: 6 Oct 2003
Posts: 1,236
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01-25-2005 09:48
Hi Kathy,
I don't feel the Lindens are much of anything wrong. I don't need them to wipe my hiney or blow my nose for me.
I just don't want you or anyone else representing me when I am paying to play this game.
Sincerely, Camille
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Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,097
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01-25-2005 09:48
I thought the open letter thing ended last week? Don't hold it in let it all out and tell us exactly what you're feeling 
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Kathy Yamamoto
Publisher and Surrealist
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 615
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01-25-2005 09:50
From: Camille Serpentine Hi Kathy,
I don't feel the Lindens are much of anything wrong. I don't need them to wipe my hiney or blow my nose for me.
I just don't want you or anyone else representing me when I am paying to play this game.
Sincerely, Camille Why not. What makes your version right and mine wrong? Is there something in the Community Standards that says we're pursuing a vision of laying about and letting the company take care of everything? Or does it say we're going to be self-governing? And tell me why I care that yoyu're paying for the game?
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Ferran Brodsky
Better living through rum
Join date: 3 Feb 2004
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01-25-2005 09:51
Well then...
Ferran Brodsky for president!
My first act will be to disolve the government.
A yes vote for Ferran is a No vote for Government!
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Kathy Yamamoto
Publisher and Surrealist
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01-25-2005 09:51
From: Aaron Levy ... sigh ... Indeed. Damn I'm tired of this discussion.
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Surreal Farber
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01-25-2005 09:53
I like dealing with Linden Labs. I know where they live. I know who they are. I pay them money, I get to log on and play.
Opt in for government for yourselves if you really just crave it. The island of Chaos will happily opt out and continue the benevolent dictatorship that it currently enjoys.
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Talen Morgan
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01-25-2005 09:54
From: Ferran Brodsky Well then...
Ferran Brodsky for president!
My first act will be to disolve the government.
A yes vote for Ferran is a No vote for Government! The oval office in the trailer park....please reconsider it might just be fun 
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Lance LeFay
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01-25-2005 09:55
While I do appreciate the sentiments of this post, and agree on several points...
Why did you bring this up again?
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Kathy Yamamoto
Publisher and Surrealist
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01-25-2005 09:55
From: Ferran Brodsky Well then...
Ferran Brodsky for president!
My first act will be to disolve the government.
A yes vote for Ferran is a No vote for Government! It will be a proper government. You won't be allowed to dissolve it unless it's in the constitution to do so. Even if you're the president. So, good luck with that.
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David Valentino
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01-25-2005 09:55
I want to be Treasurer! Everyone immediately send me 10% of all your L$!
Actually, Im all for folks experimenting with Player Governments as long as I don't have to abide by them. If SL was suddenly forced to conform to an SL-Player dictatorship, it would be fun to form a rebel alliance and try to destroy the Death Star...err..wait...wrong game..
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Forseti Svarog
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01-25-2005 09:56
self-govern all you want! Buy as many sims as you want and make each one a democracy/republic/socialist regime/dictatorship/anarchy. Have fun! Knock yourself out! SL is about experimenting (among many other things) and this is as good an experiment as any.
If it's not on my land, or my friends land, it doesn't bother me!
Just don't expect to govern meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
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Surreal Farber
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01-25-2005 09:56
From: Talen Morgan The oval office in the trailer park....please reconsider it might just be fun  The oval BED is in the trailer park!!
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Ferran Brodsky
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01-25-2005 09:57
From: Kathy Yamamoto It will be a proper government. You won't be allowed to dissolve it unless it's in the constitution to do so. Even if you're the president.
So, good luck with that. LOL my invisible protection from everything shield can protect me from your destroy everything bullets so nyah nyah
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Camille Serpentine
Eater of the Dead
Join date: 6 Oct 2003
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01-25-2005 09:57
From: Kathy Yamamoto Why not. What makes your version right and mine wrong? Is there something in the Community Standards that says we're pursuing a vision of laying about and letting the company take care of everything? Or does it say we're going to be self-governing?
And tell me why I care that yoyu're paying for the game? Then continue to fight for the version you want. ( I did not say mine was right yours was wrong. I just don't agree with yours.) But do not expect me to cheer you on or nicely roll over and let you do what you want. If you don't care that I'm playing the game, why do you want a player run government? but aside from that, it is nice to see that you are trolling again with long winded posts and then jumping on anyone who may disagree with your statements. I expect you'll be running around in circles contradicting yourself soon.
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Talen Morgan
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01-25-2005 09:58
From: Surreal Farber The oval BED is in the trailer park!! it's an omen....don't fight it I have yet to see the new digs I must stop by soon.....just think there could be public executions too....might be good for traffic 
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Kathy Yamamoto
Publisher and Surrealist
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01-25-2005 09:58
From: David Valentino I want to be Treasurer! Everyone immediately send me 10% of all your L$!
Actually, Im all for folks experimenting with Player Governments as long as I don't have to abide by them. If SL was suddenly forced to conform to an SL-Player dictatorship, it would be fun to form a rebel alliance and try to destroy the Death Star...err..wait...wrong game.. Why shouldn't you be subject to a player-government properly constituted, elected, and representative? I believe there are ways to do this so that you DON'T have to be part of it. I've outlined them before. BUT, tell me just because I'm curious... why SHOULDN'T you have to abide by the standards your fellow citizens adopt?
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Lance LeFay
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01-25-2005 09:59
From: Ferran Brodsky LOL my invisible protection from everything shield can protect me from your destroy everything bullets so nyah nyah Ah, but if they can destroy EVERYTHING.. wouldn't they destroy the shield? Then again, the shield protects from EVERYTHING.. So, maybe, if the two were to meet, they would just end time? :\
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Ferran Brodsky
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01-25-2005 10:02
From: Lance LeFay Ah, but if they can destroy EVERYTHING.. wouldn't they destroy the shield?
Then again, the shield protects from EVERYTHING..
So, maybe, if the two were to meet, they would just end time? :\ OH NO CIRCULAR LOGIC BOMB (much like the initial post in this thread)
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Camille Serpentine
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01-25-2005 10:03
From: Kathy Yamamoto Why shouldn't you be subject to a player-government properly constituted, elected, and representative? Explain to me why we should. From: Kathy Yamamoto I believe there are ways to do this so that you DON'T have to be part of it. I've outlined them before. BUT, tell me just because I'm curious... why SHOULDN'T you have to abide by the standards your fellow citizens adopt?
Because I am not paying to play by the rules you develop. I am paying to play by the rules Linden Labs has developed.
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Bubbles Broom
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Join date: 18 Jul 2004
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01-25-2005 10:04
omg how about a Monarchy too? I know plenty of Queens who could take on the role. I know the game is based in America but for Christ sake would you gave us break from imposing 'democracy' everywhere, even on an imaginary world? The Lindens are in charge so shut it.
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Chip Midnight
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01-25-2005 10:04
From: Kathy Yamamoto I believe there are ways to do this so that you DON'T have to be part of it. I've outlined them before. BUT, tell me just because I'm curious... why SHOULDN'T you have to abide by the standards your fellow citizens adopt? Because we have a TOS already. The last thing in the world I need is to have paranoid overbearing people forcing me to conform to their subjective whims. I do not seek to have power over my fellow SL citizens, and I will always reject anyone else seeking to have power over me. I guess that makes me a whiner 
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Ferran Brodsky
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01-25-2005 10:06
From: Chip Midnight Because we have a TOS already. The last thing in the world I need is to have paranoid overbearing people forcing me to conform to their subjective whims. I do not seek to have power over my fellow SL citizens, and I will always reject anyone else seeking to have power over me. I guess that makes me a whiner  Cynical whiner content baron overlord, crushing all beneath your mighty yet stylish, fashionable iron clad high heels
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Lecktor Hannibal
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01-25-2005 10:06
From: Chip Midnight I guess that makes me a whiner  Not in my book Chip! You misspelled, it should have read winner. 
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