Open Letter to So Many Anti-Government Whiners

Let’s see… you accuse me of being a 16 year old… then of being infantile chiding… and follow it up by saying I am one step above Bevis & Butthead… Interesting sequence of sentences!

It is clear how you and your lib govt. abhor diversity in thought and will do and say anything to get your way.

You have stumbled upon the main problem with the project… marketing… heck… promise this will happen and it’s a sure thing… woo hoo!!!

No need for that Ulrika…

Everyone already knows what kind of person you are.

ROFL… You are sooooo smart and the rest of us are sooooo dumb. Please teach us something… oops… that’s right... you just THINK you are above the rest of us… you haven’t figured out that threads like this one will do nothing but kill your project… maybe you are not quite as smart as you seem to think.

Why don’t you show us all how much you REALLY care about this project and walk away from any part of it until it has some success… oh, that’s right… Personally, I hope that you don’t take my advice and continue driving your own project into the ground.

Lastly, I have yet to hear even 1 logical answer to Shadow’s questions. I will answer it for you since you are afraid to. In what way will a player game-wide government benefit me? Zip, zero, nada, nothing…. If you did you would have addressed his question with ease.

Oh, there is one thing that you forgot to tell everyone Kathy. The Neualtinburg model has nothing whatsoever to do with what you propose. If what you “say” you would like is so great, why isn’t it good enough for Neualtinburg?

The... um... 'hidden' agenda is to get rid of most of the shopping malls, most of the clubs, and all of the people who don't care what their neighbors think. That is really it in a nutshell. But if we could have people who firebomb or modify land or things of this nature... if we could have them expelled on the first offense, that would be a plus. I don't know why people who are trying to be assholes get warnings, but that's something else I'd like to see a government get rid of.



I don't have a problem with the government being voluntary, but you can't opt in and opt out at the same time. Under the system we have now, there are insufficient tools to handle people who cause trouble. The group system is not good enough. If you want to live in anarchy... that's fine, but not in my back yard. You know what I mean? The continent thing is actually a good idea (if we break a piece off rather than adding more land).

Then there is no rational need for this. Why have untrained volunteers what trained paid employees are already doing?

-- Bridget

Ok how many posts does it take to lick to the center of the SDF POP??
Seriously, they have both dismissed all and everyone posting valid and intelligent responses with a pfft you don't agree so you are disenchanted. Let us educate you illierate folk. bleh
Yet, the seething unwashed masses are swarming at their feet begging for government cheese.

Beavis & Butthead was artful satire. Mike Judge is a very talented animator.

Have you suddenly had a change of heart about those personal attacks you were so opposed to?

Yeah, Isis rocks

Come on, hidden agendas would be the best part!

You are under the impression positive & beneficial things get done in the US?

I agree with all of these points blaze! I had never even heard of the last one before. Brilliant!

~Ulrika~

And we should also all live here!



Isn't Rainbow pretty? She lives in Paradise Fun Land!

Drama Digest Volume I - The Billy Grace Files

Come with me on a fun journey down memory lane where I'll walk you through several threads and blogs to bring you the best of Ulrika-quality drama.

What is the origin of the above bile, the average reader might ask. Billy, used to be in our group and was making great contributions until I engaged him in a debate on the existence of God and the joys of rhetoric in our group forum. Unfortunately, he somehow mistook it for an attack and shortly thereafter began making nasty little posts like the one above. Check out the Church thread -- it's a drama well worth your time to read.

At that point I stopped communicating with him in the forums hoping that those in the group would handle him. However the posts grew increasingly belligerent and insulting culminating in a series of ultimatums demanding satisfaction (Inigo Montoya style). Finally, he detonated in Hamlet's Red Staters meet the World blog taking the discussion off topic and making it very difficult for me to make my case. (This blog is a delicious juxtaposition of two unrelated Ulrika-dramas, which provides insight into not just Billy but Hamlet as well.)

After enduring his attacks for two weeks and becoming quite frazzled, I walked away from the group for a couple of weeks to recover. When I returned, I terminated his relationship with the group without notice.

Naturally, these posts are an extension of that unresolved anger. I must say that while the posts are disturbingly hateful, at the same time there is something satisfying about watching a purportedly pious religious conservative hurling bile at women in the forums.

~Ulrika~

I think Kathy is assuming that new residents or those not in the 'inner feted core' as Prokofy would describe them, are not capable of contacting a Linden when the need arises. This is totally wrong.

When Derwent sim disappeared into the ocean, I didn't look around for someone to represent me, I called a Linden. He came to take a look and spoke to the gridmonkeys. Hey presto - the sim is reinstated.

Haven't experienced griefing yet but if I did, I would IM a Linden. Simple and easy.

Kathy, I wish you well with your project but it isn't for me or, I suspect, many others in SL.

Alexa

Ulrika,

This is not a comment on anything that has gone on before, purely an observation.:-

I liked Kendra's comment in that discussion: The ends NEVER justify the means.

It is really tragic that so few of us seem to have learned that lesson.

Billy,

I have nothing to say about the model being tested in Neualtenburg. I have a position in the non-elected branch that analyses the way their constitution is being implemented, but that’s not a position that directs the creation of the constitution.

Besides, the model I’ve proposed here is about bringing the Groups in Second Life to the table to share, communicate, and discuss. The model in Neualtenburg is a local government model meant to promote the productivity of the Neualtenburg business model. It goes a lot further toward actually managing the day-to-day business of the city than we need for our purposes nationally.

Remember, my model here is not to control local groups but to allow them to work together when they want to do so.

Excellent point and my guess is that this is the underlying reason that most people in SL oppose any form of organized self government.

It's my guiding principal. Process --not Product.

Umm..hopefully you meant this as an anti-government post. Because reading it makes me even more strongly against a player government. Get rid of the most of the clubs? Get rid of most of the malls? Build what we tell you or you're gone? And have the power to get people banned? Yikes!

Guess what, I'll build what I damn well please, since I'm paying for my land and my account, and as long as I'm within the TOS, no one is going to tell me differently.

My problem with a system that gives a "voice" to players who participate in it is that it will tend to mute those who don't. This is a hobby for me. I don't want to participate in a government for the same reason I don't sell things in SL; it would turn my hobby into a burden. I want to view SL as a service provided by LL and maintained by them, not me. I understand other people want to see it as a new world maintained by its "citizens", and that difference over SL's identity is the source of the conflict.

What I see as the ultimate solution is multiple independent grids each with their own ways of operating that people can choose from. In other words, a 3D web rather than this pre-web AOL we're all in now. Personally I feel like I have one foot out the door of this grid. I don't want to fight political battles, I want to sign up for the service offering what I want. And I want people looking to colonize a new cyber world as citizens to be able to sign up for that too (or start it from scratch).

Sorry if this rambled - I just thought I'd chuck in my 2 cents.

Have I?

I don’t think I have. We’ve been chatting away fairly well for a few pages now. I admit I was rather tiffed at all the people who “dismissed all and everyone posting valid and intelligent” thoughts on government with a “pfft” but I calmed down a bit and there has been a real productive exchange here lately.

And, as long as we’re talking about me again, let me point out that I never criticize someone for being illiterate. That’s almost always something that can be fixed and usually not the victim’s fault. My problem is with people who stop reading – or thinking – the minute they see something they think might be a sign of something leaning toward something they think they already know everything about. In other words, people who are too lazy to think.

This condition is remarkably hard to fix.

And it goes way too well with my OTHER pet peeve: those who have absolutely no business or investment or relationship to something I might be involved in, yet they feel their expert opinion is urgently need nonetheless. They HAVE to get their noses in your sex life, your religion, your child rearing, your reading material, your music, movies, fashion, friends, etc, etc.

At any rate, I’m just saying that THOSE are the traits I’m likely to dismiss - not literacy.

Very well , since you have dispensed of your condescending tone I shall reply. My thoughts on this push for government are eloquently put forth by the quote of yours I have included. Why, why why do you and Ulrika feel that we NEED this ? Look at YOUR pet peeve! Why do I need other players noses in my SL ?? My answer is I don't. Robin has said that is the Linden answer as well in the past. If the Linden stance has changed and organized self government IS coming I would like to hear it from them, not some self imposed politician. No offense intended. My previous post was made in ire at what other posters have reiterated. Not so much you but definitely Ulrika always seem to speak down to folks and come off as extremely arrogant. No one except the Lindens can tell me what is best for my SL. And no I do not dislike you, just the way you have been going on about this.
Thanks for reading,
Leck