Atheists who attack Christianity

No they don't. They don't mention Jesus. They don't mention Paul. They don't mention James or Herod or Joseph or Mary or Pontius Pilate or John the Baptist. They don't verify the translations as you stated. They don't mention any of the individuals of the New Testament nor any of their actions.

They do give us an alternate look at a Jewish sect during the time of Jesus' life. The Dead Sea Scrolls do contain material from the Hebrew Bible. They also contain unique material found nowhere else. But they do not contain anything from the New Testament. They can't. They were written before the New Testament books.

Your position is like saying that since Carl Hiaasen writes books about Florida and since my grandparents lived in Florida, Hiaasen's books "verify" and "corroborate" my grandparents' existence.

Let's talk rationally. Abraham came out of Sumeria. Sumeria had a religion that was not Judaism. The religion may have been based off of an earlier religion, but there is no written record before this time to allow us to know. After many generations away from Sumeria a new sect of an old religion was formed by his ancestors with the formation of the Torah that contained similar myths as the Sumerians had.

Later a nomad (possibly a begger as he had no vocation) wandering the countryside was executed by the Romans in a time when all Jewish people were waiting for a savior from the Roman occupation. Jesus did not save them from the Romans, but he did die. On the eye witness account of people who believed Jesus would return in their lifetime; a new sect was founded called Christianity.

Later, a prophet named Muhammad preached in Mecca about his teachings from an angel to perfect Christianity and Judaism until Mecca kicked him out. He then took shelter in Medina that withstood amazing attacks from the larger, stronger force. The ability of Muhammad's God (who was apparently the Christian God as well) to win wars impressed the local population, because this new sect spread back into Mecca and then throughout much of the world.

Later, we have protestants that reject the recognized form of Roman Catholicism in Western Europe along with a king in England that founds a new sect soley out of anger that the Catholic church doesn't approve of him killing his wives. By this point the Catholics have already killed millions of Greek Orthodox Christians and Muslims under the same God. They will kill many protestants later. The Muslims and Greek Othodox have the same type of blood on their hands having killed people supposedly under the same God.

Beyond that we have a Joseph Smith in America translate tablets that have supposedly been seen by only 3 people with no archelogical evidence to support his new "word of God" that describes the Jewish crossing the Atlantic to become the indians. Most modern Christians think Mormons are crazy, because they are new sect that has formed.

Beyond this we have a crazy man that proves his insanity by incorrectly predicting the end of the world twice. For some reason, his church continues to this day known as The Jehova's Witnesses. Most everyone thinks these people are crazy, and rightly so.

I'm guessing that you are a protestant Christian of some sort. You are just a member of a sect of a sect of a sect of a sect of a religion. You don't even know what came before Abraham, because there is little written record from his homeland in Sumeria. All we know is that Judaism seems to have similar myths as the Sumerians with different beliefs.

None of these sects really seems to have any good reason to change their belief system when they all formed from the same God. Atheist don't want to attack Christianity; we just find it hard to believe that people want us to just pick a straw out of this bundle of sects that is supposed all from the same source. The burden of proof is on the religion. Religions are the ones that make extaordinary claims that people die over. Atheism just sits on the side looking through all this non-sense trying to figure out how anyone can think any religion makes rational sense. You aren't under attack; you are just viewed as believing in something built on shaky ground.

Which doesn't say that he targeted all athiests. "Atheistic attack" doesn't have to include all athiests, and his title was: Atheists who attack Christianity. Note the bolded word.

They mention the child. They verify the prophesies of the coming of the Christ. As does the Old Testament.

"The scrolls also shed light on the time when Jesus and John the Baptist lived and early Christians began to organize. Specifically, they offer evidence that early Christian beliefs and practices had precedents in the Jewish sects of the time. Sectarian scrolls tell of people who, like the early Christians, did not believe in the Temple worship of the Pharisees, people who had their own literature, their own rituals—including baptism—and their own beliefs, most significantly beliefs in a messiah, a divine judgment, and an apocalypse. " infoplease.com

Why do atheists attack Christianity?


Same reason bees attack a bear that helps himself to their honey.


It may be pointless for the bees to attack, the bear might not even notice them. But they do anyway.


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or agnostics, or non-Christians, or maybe even christians that don't like what Christians are doing with themselves.

Leave my friends in the League out of this. I happen to know that John and Bruce are very humble guys. Wally can be a little annoying at times, but he's just having fun.

In fact, the only really arrogant one is probably Clark. He's always "Hey, I'm indestructible, wanna see?" and then goes and flies through the sun or something.

Diana's a little stuck up, but what do you expect? She's the immortal daughter of the queen of the Amazons. Show me a warrior princess who ISN'T just a little snooty.

Xena. Der.

hi i'm looking for a nice place to bang my head against the wall. is this it?

No, this is!

Who let Jauani in??? Yup, you found the sacred headbanging wall. Have at it!

I'm all for debate.

But debate needs to be based on a foundation of mutual respect. Unfortunately, what seems to happen over and over here is that any debate quickly devolves to ridicule and name-calling. That's generally when I lose interest.

Is it time for another ID thread?

poopy head.

She's CALLED the Warrior Princess, but I haven't seen her pedigree as the daughter of a king.

But there was an allusion in the series that she's the child of one of the gods. Considering the things she could do, she must be at least meta-human. After all, anyone who could fight Ares to a standstill HAS to have some divine blood running in her veins.

Fundies. I HATE FUNDIES!

Fundies of all sorts give a bad name to the Christian faith. Today's fundies, the Spanish Inquisitors, the Conquistadors... those aren't Christians, they're fakers!. Those are the same kind of people that would be TV evangelists today.

Which propoganda? Yours or the atheists?

Xena & her side-kick can beat my ass any time they feel like it.

*sighs and shakes head in pity and disbelief*

I swear some people and there crazy ideas. Well lets get to work now. *rolls up sleeves*

First off unless your a missonary or something you are not going to get anywhere with someone who flat out believes there is no God. Why? Because someone who is so completely wrong and yet believes they are absolutely right isnt going to listen anyway.

There are a few major difference between Christians and Atheists. Im going to discuss these in simple terms so as to avoid politcal correctness and just tell it like it is.

1. Christianity is complex, Atheism is simple in comparison (basically "there is no God". As such most if not all atheist do not understand Christians and so we end up with Atheists attacking Christians in things such as War on Christmas, banning the Pledge of Allegiance in some California school districts, and that one entertaining idiot that tries to have "In God We Trust" taken off the money every year or so. Naturally people fear what they do not understand as proven in a way by some of the statements on this thread about how Christians want to take over the government or act like the Islamic/Facist Terrorist/Radicals (Thank you guys for helping me prove my point ^_^ ) And before anyone says anything about Christians fearing Atheists, its not that we fear them, its more like we shake our heads and ask what the heck are you people thinking, and then quietly go on with our lives while Atheists try in vain to change the world.

2. Like most causes of political correctness, attacks on Christianity are based mainly off of the fact that Atheists, either knowingly or unknowingly, are offended by the mere sight of the practice of the Christian religion. Its offensive because it reminds them of the simple and unavoidable fact that they fear most...they are wrong. And so rather than face truth they attack it. In some cases they pull a "Palestinian" and pretend to be the victims even if they are the aggressors in a war in which they are the only ones fighting. A pretty good example of this is how you always here about nativity scenes being taken down from public places or maybe the 10 Commandments being taken down from a court house.

Now then im getting tired of typing so Ill leave it at that unless someone challenges me. In the mean time lets lighten the mood a bit and ask a shorter question, Since Atheists dont believe in anything, does that mean that they are offended my everything since it is contrary to their beliefs?

You are mistaken. It is the bears' ideology that is simpler than the Buddhists'. Until you den-sleeping, honey-eating, fish-in-the-mouth-catching fur balls learn to open your minds to Buddhism, talking to you is just a waste of time.

~Ulrika~

Even though I bear no hostility to you I will not pass up the chance to use this quote from John Kerry's wife (what was her name again? Heinz?)

"You said something that I didnt say now shove it!"

Elinea, I think you misunderstand and generalise about atheists rather grossly.

Wow.............
Just Wow......
You almost have me speachless.
I don't think atheists are afraid when they see Christians anymore than Christians are afraid when they see a Satanist. Ok, I take that back. Anymore than Christians SHOULD be afraid when they see a Satanist. Some Christians just might very well be afraid. If you don't believe there is anything worth while backing the person, then why would you be afraid. Christians don't believe Satan is greater than God, so they have no need to be afraid when they see someone that declares Satan as their lord and master, right? Atheists don't believe God exists in the first place, so why would they be afraid of Christians.

There may be a fear involved that you hinted about. There is a big fear of any religion being mixed with government as it never worked in the past. Christians like to point out that most of our founding fathers were Christians, yet they themselves were concerned about having a seperation of church and state. These people came from a country that had problems within their borders and with their neighbors over what type of Christianity the country should practice. There is a reason why everyone should fear any form of religion including Christianity being the government. It may be set up with Christians that don't think like you. There are more versions of Christian doctrine than can be counted, and some of them are even wacky to other Christians (people that protest at funerals). Christians and Atheists need to unite in their fear of anything religious of any kind being mixed into the government. Government should be neutral.

I really do think that The Handmaid's Tale should be required reading in schools; it might make the dominionists a little less gung-ho.

Your position was that the Dead Sea Scrolls verified the KJV translation of the story of Jesus and the moneychangers in the Temple. It doesn't.

The Dead Sea Scrolls do not verify the prophesies of the coming of Jesus. They do not mention Jesus at all. They do mention the Messiah, a belief common to most varieties of Judaism, but they don't mention any of the events in the New Testament. You can interpret certain passages to be prophecies of Jesus, but that still doesn't at all prove your original thesis, that the Dead Sea Scrolls "verify" and "corroborate" the KJV translation of the New Testament. They don't.