Two US soldiers tortured to death, where is the outrage from the left now????

One sad part is, people are de-sensitized to bad language. If someone walks onto a plane and starts using swear words really loud, wouldn't you be offended by it?

Now the other sad part, people are too lazy to think of alternative words that are not offensive. Continued and unwarrented use of swear words just symbolizes a disrespect for those listening and common decency.

how about you don't misquote, okay? usually when someone has a quote in thier post and then responds to it, the response only deals with the quoted phrase. Now are there more terrorists in Iraq now than before, absolutely, but they are in Iraq not scattered over the whole world, which makes it easier to kill them. Oh and the last I heard, the task force the pentagon has to capture or kill Osama is still active and working to get him.

what? sorry not following this

I suppose you're offended by foreign language too, as it's something you, also, probably do not have a grasp on. Let's look at what makes a swear word, a swear word. To keep it short, it basically boils down to whether or not the usage is directed and offensive or not. Here's an example of invoking a swear, "I hope you rot in icecream". While appearing somewhat nonsensicle, icecream could be the most horrible thing in the world to the person who said it (lactose intolerant maybe). Also the verb 'rot' in this case is directed at someone indicating invective and thus inappropriate. However, someone not quite so astutely aware might think they are being complemented if they enjoy ice cream. Here's an example of a nonswear/noncursing sentence that uses what you might deem as bad words if used inappropriately. "This tangent is fucking boring." Now you could also say "This tangent is really boring", but the way fucking is used in the instance it is, more means "really, extremely to the nth degree,". Now if I were to follow it up with "Stop wasting my fucking time.", I would indeed be swearing at you, but not because of the use of 'fucking', but because of the use of 'wasting'.

Like, you know, whatever, um, yeah.

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Futurama reference.

In this case, Kendra is dissing Atlanta (or disrespecting Atlanta in general or alluding Atlanta is so small and insiginficant to only be known for it's airport and gambling or just how tiny it is when compared to other large cities). You could equate this to a swear if you were proud of Atlanta (despite it's lack of traditional curse/swear words).

I think from the recent capture of 7 'terrorists' in the United States, you should probably retract this statement.

umm she has stated earlier she is a female, and thats irrelevent, its a turn of phrase.

Don't forget putting them in sleeping bags and beating them to death.

why? there are always terrorists here. look at Oklahoma City, Columbine, Little Rock, etc.

The White House...

Okay, I apologize for going to the extreme; that's sometimes the only way to make a point. But whatever your arguments are, my analogies still hold. And I don't think I used any more emotion in my analogies than you used in yours.

I have not disagreed with your reasons why Islamic terrorists take up arms against us. As long as you don't paint them as sympathetic or try to portray their decisions as proper or acceptable given their dire circumstances. That's what you did, IMO.

While I understand (to a limited degree) why kids take up terrorism or join inner-city street gangs, I think those reasons are false and I think the resulting choices are extremely destructive and counter-productive.

True.

True.

Far from true. If we pulled out now, or set an arbitrary date in the near future, what do you think happens?

I think the nascent government will struggle for a while, but civil, religious and ethnic turbulence will bring it down quickly with hundreds of thousands dying in the process. The result will be either another brutal dictatorship or a true Islam fundamentalist nation. Either way a large percentage of the population is going to be persecuted and discriminated against. The resulting state will have no infrastructure to support the people and no way to utilitze their oil resources. To capitilize on the oil they will need to pay many billions to western oil companies to slowly rebuild the infrastructure or "invite" a neighbor such as Iraq into the mix.

What do you expect to happen ?


Sort of. The responsibility is on their heads now, IMO. If they really wanted a peaceful state free of Americans they would pull together and stop fighting each other and us.

And if we pull out, the resulting chaos and millions of deaths will still be "our responsibility" because we destabilized the country by removing the Baathist regime.


You have to look at the situation at every point and make decisions based on the current facts. If we knew for certain that Iraq would turn out as it has, the administration and most Americans would probably decided not to invade and to tolerate Saddam's antics.

But given the choice we made then, right or wrong, we have to make a new choice based on reality. Pulling out now would be a disaster.

Because you said, , which, by your own admission is untrue.

is the world "all" in there?

And remaining would be more of a disaster.


Given the choice of having a lot of people in another country die but none of our own, or the same number of people die but a portion of them from my country, I'd say pull out the troops and let the Iraqi's die in the conflagration. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't, so we might as well be damned with more American sons and daughters alive.

Quite accidentally you've stumbled onto my point. Well done, Kendra.

Why shouldn't we scale back rights in America to better protect us against terrorists? Tapping phones, ignoring habeas corpus, not requiring search warrants, requiring all muslims to register with the authorities.

We'd be a whole lot safer, wouldn't we be? And that's the important thing.

And since we're blindly following what the people want, let's cut back on abortion rights, and equality for all sexual orientations? If that's what the people want.

It's amazing to me how so many feel Americans are the only people who deserve these rights. We will fight to the last man to defend those rights on our soil, but don't care to spend a single American life or tax dollar on protecting or granting those same rights to the people of Iraq.

It helps for them to WANT the same way of life we have.

Which, they don't.

In fact, they despise it and consider it rather unholy.

Similar arguments were used to fuel the Crusades, Groucho. You know, the attempt to assert Christendom in the same area we're fighting now that failed rather miserably?

I've been quite open about the fact that I'm an intersexed female that considers herself to fall under the transgender umbrella .

and this has been AR'd.

Safety is worth nothing with freedom diminished.

I'm sorry, Groucho --But I grew up in the USA.

Kendra, do not take this the wrong way. I don't know what your talking about exactly, I'm not exactly current on the transgender lingo. I was referring to

"A man who would give up a little bit of freedom for a little bit of security deserves neither, and will lose both." -Benjamin Franklin

Fear of a word is the ultimate cowardice.

It's the intent one should be concerned with. I could replace the "F" word one that is not a "curse" word, and the intent would be the same. Does it matter which words are used?

If someone walked onto a plane and started using ANY words "really loud", I would be offended. It doesn't matter whether it is a "curse" word, or something like the word "cheese".

I would find something like "Go kill yourself you pitiful excuse for an American" much more offensive than "F*** you".

It's not what you say... it's how you say it, and what you meant when you did.

Google: Intersexed. Transgender, and Transsexual.

I wasn't born purely male or purely female.

isna.org is a good source of info too.

I tried, they are blocked due to the office security setup