Live Performers (upfront fee)

I answered a few from Tinicious above But I will reiterate:


Yes, It will be like a friend's list request. One can send one to the other on the site, If its accepted then they can set up their gigs via the website or as they always have and the venue can post the event in the website.

I have a relationship with musecast and a few other stream providers, I do not pay full price for streams as part of a few bartering deals. I am sure the same arrangements can be made for the venues in the network.

We arent policing tip jars.

Then the venue will have a split tip jar at the stage and share the tips with the Musician.
Ease-up on the agression fella. I am not obligated to respond to you - but I will.
Because bickering in a forum thread throws things off-topic. If you want to bicker - Do like Michelle did and drop by. She called me names and use foul language - and she left. Get it out of your system that way. Save your public performances for your Live Audiences.
Wonderful.

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Thanks for posting the answers

First of all, i or my artist where not calling you names.
We dont do that
Posting in a forum means that everyone can respond.
It might be off topic but that happens,
Personally i didnt think it was off topic.

Bothering them on SL sure aint going to work.
If you really want to have them participating then you might want to change
your way of sending an IM.

I am not agressive fella, your IM was kinda agressive in my eyes.
( and i do have a name )

And you are obligated to answer,
if you chose to talk about a buisness plan you have in public.

Talking about a plan means that people will have questions,
and with questions you expect an answer.

It concerns us all, musicians and venues,
you chose to talk about these plans in public, we just ask the things that comes to mind.
If you dont feel obligated to take away these concerns then dont talk about it on an open forum.

I have not internalized the content of every post here...so could you summarize the benefits of a venue or musician participating in your group? Also, will the group as an entity be profitting at all or any of the leaders of the group?

Just trying to get my head around how this would benefit folks. Also, will there be some sort of cost to those who participate that goes to the group itself?

The benefit of this model is to create a income from Live Performances for VENUES. The Live Musicians are already receiving a income under the current 'system' (from fees being paid from venue owners).

Every venue that participates should profit from receiving money from advertisers at their live music events. No one has to join a group to participate in this. It is completely web-based.

There is a Board of Directors being developed to make decisions for the on-going VLPF. The partner companies are only involving themselves because they have every intention of making some profit. That is the RL ad agency that will 'sell' this service to the RL advertisers and the networked ad scripting company. And any other business entity the board feels we need to partner with to enhance this service for Venue Owners.

I keep hearing from you and Cher some sort of fear that someone beside the Musician will profit. I think this is due to conditioning. But I need to make this clear to you: Venues are the sole supporters of Live Music in Second Life. And Venues deserve to profit from Live Music just as the Musicians do. That is the goal of this group. Those comfortable with the status quo are not being forced to make any changes in ther lives. Those venue owners that wantto run their venue as a business will be interested in this option.

I am truly amazed that all of you purporting to be such long-term supporters of Live Music in SL have, for years, ignored the plight of the Venue. I would asume you all would have a consortium on this issue and have on-going problem solving sessions. But all of the Live Music public discussion focus on the artist.

So we are going to try this and if you happen to run across it perhaps you will give it a try. If not, that is completely understandable.


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i have no fears at all..just seek first to understand... and just for the record...i am a venue and just would like to know more...no hostility or concerns at all on my end. just still not quite clear on if venues would have to pay into this and how they would profit...ie get the profit that you mentioned...the RL companies would pay each and every venue directly?

also...do you have some sort of proposal that outlines the process and roles? i would be interested in seeing it if that is available.

Venues do not pay(that's the current system). The Venues will receive a portion of the fees the Advertisers pay. Hopefully this income will cover the Live Musician Fees the Venue owner currently pays out of their pocket.

The way these Second Life advertisisng networks work is that the Venue ownr opens a account on the website. The advertisers pay onthe website and the Venue owner's account is credited. The Venue owners can cash out from a In-world ATM.

I think we have to look into accepting paypal also - to make the transaction comfortable for the advertisers that do not want to become immersed in SL and Lindens.

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I have proposals I wrote to the companies we need to partner with to get VLPF started. Since those are still in negotiation I do not think the parties would appreciate me publishing them here.

As far as Roles go: We are forming a Board of Directors to make the business decisions. The Board consists of Venue Owners, SL and RL Musicians, Marketing and Music Execs and SL Business Owners. Once we get the website up we will be able ot publish the Board Member's names and titles.
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I believe so to, I am interested.

Well I have been working on gathering up the needed partners to make this happen. I found a SL paypal company that could be used on the website for the advertisers to pay without buying Lindens or logging into SL. I am talking to two SL networked advertising companies that have web-based interfaces.

WHAT IS ALSO NEEDED:
A 'black-box' that each venue can receive that they can add their live events to. This box should be able to display hourly traffic from the venue parcel onto the website and display the events from each venue along with a slurl.

A website designer to work on venuelive.org. Someone that sounded great contacted me but I crashed and lost her IM. Hopefully she will get back to me.

Any other enhancements and suggestions are welcomed.

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I do feel true artists are underpaid in SL but there are far and few in between...
There are hell of a lot of so called artists that their place should only be is the bathroom and singing along around a camp fire..
Some are so bad that tuning their guitar is still a problem after their so say 20-100 years in the industry..
Will you pay for them?
Would you have them in your venue... why should you degrade your venue...
But many Venue owners do...
is it because they love kakophony or are themselfs tone deaf..
may be the money is so tight that they have earn every little linden to pay for their tier...
I have seen many great venues being damaged no only financialy but have their prestige gone down the drain over the years...
A venue owners view .. you paid for an artist what ever good money .. and next thing you know.. there is the artists playing at a tips only venue with 5-10 avies.. present.
Well whats next?
Do you fire the artist... why should you pay when they do it for free at other venues!!!!

come check at the Lohners Bro youll change your mind qwick smart

I have been on SL since Aug 06. I am a musician and I have played in SL and I have also owned a music venue and a club. So I know it from both ends. I have to agree with the original poster here. I dont see anything wrong with acts just getting tips cause most on SL arent worth 5000L. Most RL musicians dont make money playing shows. Oddly most SL muscians dont play shows in RL. I understand getting paid for playing, but I also understand clubs wanting to make money too or atleast getting ppl to their clubs. In RL clubs dont just hand over money to a band to play. For them to get paid they have to sell tickets, have a draw, a buzz going on or backing from a label. I think a performer needs to bring something to the table as well if they want to get paid that much. I think just like RL they need to bring ppl out, promote their own shows and not just leave it to the club. If a band did that in RL no one would show cause most local clubs dont do promotion outside their venue. I feel its time to change the way things are in SL. It's too easy for a new act to just ask for $ upfront and never have paid their dues as far as working the scene. I also feel if an act is that good and demands to get paid upfront (plus tips) than maybe charging a cover fee, if they do have a following then they will still come out to see them and have the band get paid that way (like in rl). And if no one comes out to see them...then they need to promote, promote and promote. Just like the clubs in SL have to advertise to get ppl to their club, musicians also need to do that for their shows. Yes music is an art, but when u add $$ into the pot then it becomes a business also.