Disturbing level of hatred

Belaya's post was sarcasm.

good because you are the type of person that is scared by freedom of speech. You have specific points of view and like a fanatic your are totally intolerant of other people's opinions and choices. One reason why I choose to avoid Stratics because you are mod there.

Great post Katy...MadamG and I have had our differences, but no one deserves to have thier rl life threatened or feel fear or in danger... I am trying very hard to be sympathetic with this situation, but beeing that MadamG herself has lied before, saying myself and others have threatened her life...it makes it very difficult to do so...

zOMG Belaya *is* sarcastic? Holy crapweasels why didn't anyone tell me?

wrong again

obviously not the most flattering, and i admit my dislike of the OOP colors my view but here i am saying that LFs excuse was a cop out for why proks post was banned

i also messed with madameg last week for her threat to sue site owners who let people post under her name, that being said, i have nothing for or against her; the threats last night were out of line toward anyone, even you

i have other examples for you nolan, where people did defend prok and lewis for less offences against them than rape and murder, but since you are too afraid of ending your pathetic little alt game, i wont dignify you with a response

post as nolan, show some backbone, coward... the alt thing has grown stale... back your shit up with your reputation if you know of what you speak so well... and i will post my examples... otherwise, you arent worth the time to debate with

This has been an a horrifying experience for me and others.


I just want to thank Cristiano and those of you who came to madamG's defense over this.

I am still in shock over this, but I want to thank you guys for jelling as a community and coming together in agreement over this terrible event.

http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showthread.php?p=32880#post32880

The admins at SC are to be commended for quickly communicating with me
over this affair and helping to restore my online identity there.

I know that those of you who know me know I would never behave that way.

Sincerely the "actual" infinview merit.

You know, fuck this. Yeah the guy went overboard and he's absolutely nuts, but this is what LL gets for abandoning an official capacty. We shouldn't be doing anything more than "told you so." If they won't keep the forums here they have NO RIGHT, and that even includes condemnation, towards anything external, psychotic bitch fights or not. If they hadn't decided to abandon us this wouldn't be an issue.

#1 i am not a mod at SC (except for a small WoW guild subforum), so if you refering to me (see #2), im just taking care of a place i call home

#2 Was that you i PMed last night and made a couple suggestions? i would like to know if the person I PMed was indeed the actual person... my gut says it was but only in SL can i confirm that

Address the point or STFU. Your response about Lordfly blah blah has no bearing mental giant. You must need to hit the pipe again.

"Some of these people have wished that other residents would commit suicide, or talk of real life violence over forum disputes"

You're but a couple steps away from the same sick behavior, so one has to wonder what your motives for blathering all over like a carebear really are. hrug:

I don't see it exactly as such 'simple' issue. "I don't like going to X" is in itself vague, and certainly doesn't define one's preference or dislike for the subject. What can define it is the actual reasons *why* one doesn't like to go to given place.

"I don't want to go to church because i don't share the belief" is not the same as "I don't want to go to church because people who believe in a god are morons and i don't want to run into them". Much like "I don't want to go to gym because i have no interest to stay in shape" isn't the same as "I dont' go to gyms, people who spend time there are repulsive and i don't want to be near them". Some of these mean one has merely no preference for something, while other do actually indicate negative attitude. The split point generally lies where one stops addressing activity itself (prayer, work out) and start applying (negative) judgement to people occupied with activity in question.

The same goes for "i don't want to go to gay/straight/furry/gor/ageplayer bar" -- the actual reasons may vary. But because --unlike the gym or church-- much of the *point* of going to bar is meeting people, one can jump easier to conclusion the reason not to go to such bar is precisely this, the wish to avoid meeting people with that particular orientation/interest. Which, as just mentioned, can indicate negative attitude towards the orientation. Now, in case of gay/straight bar the reason can be simply --as the split is by sexual orientation-- one is going to place where they can find person with the same idea of sexuality. *But* this sort of breaks in Lewis' case because he repeatedly points out and takes pride in how sex --especially in SL-- is of no interest to him. So you get this situation when one appears they prefer to avoid meeting gay people in bars not even because they can score cheap sex thrills in the straight bars but.. well, no idea why, exactly? It's not the idea of going to the bar itself, because then sexual orientation of people visiting it wouldn't matter. Yet, it seems to do matter.

This is getting too long-winded, but i hope you can see exactly why a 'simple' statement like "I do not want to go to a gay bar." could be quite easily (mis)read as dislike for audience of such bars. Because it's just easier explanation than 'i don't want to go to a gay bar for no reason really' o.O;


The way you put it, it makes it sounds it all really boils down to "noes, i could possibly be hit on by someone i'd have no intention to get in sack with, or the horror, see a display of affection between people in gender combination that makes me squirm". Is this it? And if not, what other aspects could possibly make one uncomfortable in a bar with audience of given sexual orientation? ^^;;

Back to the original post about the death threat. I seriously hope that the poster of said threat gets some jail time outta this.

I saw this post and thought, oh well that's what comes when a forum is not moderated and where there are no clear defined rules. Now imagine if this happend to some random person, who does not have the cash to call on a lawyer etc. And what if someone got hurt IRL cause of some sick person like this?

What's strange is just how many people are lashing out with stuff that they normally would not in that forum. I guess they had a lot of stuff bottled up that they are now releasing rather strangly.

I feel forums should bind the user to their in-game name, this provides an added layer for law enforcement and removes the urge for someone to vent real bad. They should also have strict rules on people masqurading as someone else (which can be easily taken care of by binding the name in-game).

A forum is not a complete lawless place, normal real life rules on harassment and defamation still hold. You can't make a death threat and get away with it.

A lawyer isn't necessary - it is a criminal matter, the person can contact their local police.

address me as yourself, like a man, something you were never taught apparently, if you want answers

i have never backed down from you nolan, as a matter of fact, i suggested that you and I box if that would end our lil fued... so im not only a couple of steps away, i flat out invited you to settle this "outside"

challenging you to a fist fight certainly doesnt rise to murder and rape threats

you know why i went at you like that... because you were buddy buddy to me in PMs and such, i thought the past was the past and we can be cool, but then you pulled the auntie em shit because now you were playing me as a pal but then insulting me while hiding behind one of your many alts, "Presta"

speak to me like a man, behind your nolan "character", the 1st anonymous name you have here, and ill speak to you as my anonymous name... and ill debate you point by point on anything

if you do the cowardly alt shit again, you get mocked... my rules yes, play or don't

im not being a carebear, im a mirror... you get what you give with me... respect me, i respect you back... disrespect me if you must, but i do what i do when I respond... but not under an alt

and i missed 4:20, time to pack one up

ill see you when and if you find your courage to speak up for yourself

exactly, and FIC has taken care of some of the problems at SC

read here and here if interested

You wished death upon someone. You want RL violence over forum squabbles. You talked about skull fucking someone's dead father. You're fucking sick, and who I am has no bearing on those facts. Keep trying to divert attention away from your deplorably sick behavior by calling me an alt or whatever you need for a diversion -- you're still a sick fuck in the end.

Now, post again about how you won't debate me, and then debate me some more.

obsess about things said to one specific person while denying that person is you

you heard the terms, i will answer any accusations point by point when you load up your nolan toon

This is correct for this case in question. But for cases of libel, a local police dept might not do a thing, the only way for such cases to resolve would be through attorney intervension (as it's a civl matter), something that not all could afford. If these forums had clear rules/moderation against defamation, then cases like that would not likely happen.

You talk about being a man and you cannot even address the sick and twisted shit that spews out that putrifacted orifice you call a mouth, all you can do is obsess about alts. Even though your big bad internet biker wannabe buddy buddy is an alt.

If you so all fired big on this shit about us all being anonymous anyway, why do you care so much? You don't -- you just need a diversion. So I will not hesitate to point out your fucked up behavior while you cry like a sniveling little hypocritical bitch about other's behavior, all the while making exceptions for your friends, not unlike what you supposedly dislike in Coco.

Now, since you're so poor in the impulse control dept., especially when you say you won't debate and end up doing so anyway, let me ask -- when you tell someone to off themselves, how does that make you feel? Does it make you feel like a big man in front of your friends? Are you so weak of character and so insecure that you need to say the sick shit you do to impress your friends? You're pondscum, and a sham, and your failures in your RL are all but too obvious when one examines your online behavior.

Later loser, get help, sincerely -- the pot isn't gonna make it all go away.

#1 libel of a fake character?

im not sure that is possible

#2 we are talking death threats and rape threats... not libel

bye Nolan

I hope you feel better... and i hope this isn't what happens when you are on your meds

Defamation and libel especially are both difficult legal standards to prove. People run around using the word libel (and mistakenly, slander) in these forums a lot, but very rarely does the actual offense rise to the level of true libel that could be proven (and won) in a court of law.

There is also a free speech balance to consider - making moderation rules is not as clear cut as you think. Death threats and rape polls? Hell yes, there should be zero tolerance - the same for the publication of private RL information such as names, addresses, etc. However, where do you draw the line in allowing people to freely speak their minds and express their opinions? It is something that any forum struggles with- if you go too far, you create a chilling effect and limit important speech, and if you don't go far enough, things like this happen.

I'm not sure what your question is, but libel is libel regardles of what alias is being used.

Yes, please read my response, this case is a criminal case.

I dont think an avatar name has the same protection as a human

i could be wrong, but i have heard no precident set

if so, he-who-shall-not-be-named is in big fucking trouble



my bad, sorry

It would be interesting to see a case unfold of libel. I have felt there is no court that would touch a case about someone saying something bad about a in world character. But then I start to wonder what if it were someone like Anshe who makes real money here. If it could be proven that what someone said cost her money that might be something a good lawyer could work with? Of course then it exposes what that person makes and may make for an ugly tax situation if it is found they are not paying them (this is GENERAL not directed at the above example).
As nuts as things are getting 'round here I believe it is just a matter of time before something happens. Maybe that is just another reason LL is washing their hands of the forum. If it is not posted here but is on a third party site they can claim ignorance and zero liability. Maybe that is the biggest motive of all....