The Worst Thing I Have Ever Seen Ll Do.

Once these areas are gone from the forum where a person can post about this kind of crap happening Linden Labs will be able to rest easy. After all, will a person run to 15 boards to post this? LL is banking not and even if so will the outsider companies that may put a bid in to buy SL or support it somehow go forum hoping for it? If they are smart and don't want to get the rose tint view of this place they will.
This kind of censorship will happen all the time. If you REALLY beleive LL is interested in what you observe and feel about the platform you got another think coming.

And yes CoCo, from all that has been shown lately this IS how the company is to be run.
We were just silly to think our disaproval would mean anything in it.

I agree; pretty tame stuff. So, why eradicate it?

Yes, naive I was. Yes, I did have trust, a fundamental trust that the Lindens had decent values, even if I felt they were misguided on some of them.

I never, EVER thought that I couldn't question something on the SL blogs.

Now I get back here to see that my post on ROBIN'S blog has been removed as well.

So it's not just Pathfinder.

Has anyone else tried posting anything about this, to see if it is removed as well? Or is everyone afraid to?

I'm really afraid now that the end is nigh for all of us; that something is afoot.

And what about me? What is to happen to me? I have to tell you I am afraid to make this very post here.

coco

P.S. Juro, that's what I was ASKING. I asked what was the danger in that post? I asked if Prok had said something in addition (i.e., that he didn't tell us about on his blog), or if it was a mistake or a glitch?

MY posts were removed.

BOTH of them, including my follow-up quote, which said (I realized almost too late that I needed to copy it):

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# Cocoanut Koala Says:
August 31st, 2006 at 9:12 AM

Well, now, I’ve got to say, Pathfinder. You amaze me. I can’t believe you removed MY post as well. I didn’t even have the presence of mind to copy it, it would never have occured to me that you would remove my post as well.

I am going to make a complaint to LL.

coco

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I then went to Robin, my favorite Linden, and the one I've always thought the most of, thinking surely she would fix this. THAT post was removed.

Something is up.

P.S. Juro, I'm not talking about the six sims! That whole discussion is completely and utterly irrelevant!

P.S. Okay, call me an idiot, call me naive, call me an idealist - BUT - there is still a little part of me saying, "No, the Lindens aren't doing this. They have gotten people to help them moderate their blogs, and some other resident or someone has done it."

You know, that COULD be the case!

Your little play leaves out one thing. The most important thing concerning this issue.

Whereas the protagonist in your play can indeed place her poster in any of a number of places that people will read it, the 'bulletin board' in question is the only place the school admin has to officially acknowledge.

LL doesn't care one whit what people post of 3rd party websites. On the official boards however, they at the very least are sure to read them, and possibly acknowledge them. Even if the only acknowledgement is to lock the thread.

*winces* Wow, want to bet that they removed the posts from the blogs, because they intend to show the visiting senator/politician the blogs? He most certainly will be distracted from the forums, that's for sure.

Which is why I won't comment on that but I have to say, I'm thrilled to have the vehicle sims back. They were originally intended for vehicle use, all 6 sims. You need a huge, open space like that for flying around, without ban lines, security scripts, lag and tall buildings.

As far as competiton from LL goes on the rental sim issue, It's not like they have a monopoly on sims for rent. Renting from LL is just another option for residents to consider if they need a big place for an event. I don't see the harm in that.

Where I have to pause about it is when I think of the good 'ol moniker of a world for and created by residents.
If there are people out there investing money in sims to rent out and then LL steps in to say they are doing it too it is a bit unfair. It doesnt cost LL money besides the server costs that are already being done.
What if LL next says they are going to start selling off sims at fair market value in chunks. Not First land, but they go in buisiness against the people in real estate.
Then they say they are going to have websites that will allow sellers to list items on there for direct sales like SL Exchange and SL Boutique. Again, it creates an unfair market since nobody could compete against that.
I see it as a step into a market they really have no buisiness being in. First it was selling Lindens direct, now they are renting sims what next? Sooner or later it will step on the toes of most people trying to make a living in SL or extra cash. Nobody can compete with the owner of the playground. they will always have more resources and can undercut the others. It is another black eye to the residents.

I'm quite sure it's possible to IM the guy and tell him the truth. Surely Linden Lab can't keep everything from him?

This is possibly their most high risk gamble yet. My guess is, however hard they try, it will backfire on them. I expect word has gotten out to the many griefer groups, and they're sitting on the sidelines waiting to smack him round the head with a 10m long self-replicating flexidong or something.

Lewis

I don't know. Which was why I asked.

Which is when I was also deleted.

When I objected to that, THAT was deleted. When I went higher up, THAT was deleted.

Want to give it a go yourself?

coco

I', sorry little Cocoanut, but the RL is the SL now. Business comes first.



Yes, true, it COULD also be Evil Santa from the Bizarro world too.

This is the official blog main page you are being censored on CoCo?

Yes, it is the official blog. First on Pathfinder's blog (twice), then on Robin's.

coco

No it's not more efficient. It does avoid a sticky problem with the forums.. "Log-rolling."
Key personalities have been able to push their agendas in the forums by developing consensus and get LL to react when they really didn't want to.

By forcing us into one-on-one discussions with LL on every issue. They can prevent log-rolling, and get a more accurate model of what users want and what they don't want.

Everyone else does it this way. LL tried using forums to be different, and from their perspective I think it has been a disaster.
So now they go back to tried and true customer service models... Where each customer battles their issues in isolation from the others...


=B-)

Damn you Juro! Yanking the words out of my mouth hurts more than a root canal

Has it occured to anyone that perhaps Prok's post was deleted because she's banned from the forums?

The forums are closing, replaced by... the blog. What better way to continue to punish stupid behavior by keeping the ban in effect in the new medium.

And coco's post was deleted because it skirted the ban.

Simple explanation if I ever heard one.

Occam's Razor, anyone?

Well, I don't think so, because I don't think Prok is or has ever been banned from the blogs.

So how could I be SKIRTING anything that - wasn't?

coco

But she's been banned from the forums for being obnoxious.

The lindens control both blog and forums.

Ergo, the ban would continue on both mediums.

You don't have to be banned explicitly on each medium.

For an example of forum threads being timestamped to the past see a thread I made titled "Glorious Press Release" (see my profile and click threads). DO NOT POST ON IT! It's like back to the future with that thread cause I think I mentioned Beoz.

i believe i have seen prok post in the blogs in the past, but i pay so little attention to prok and the blogs i can't know for sure

but, if he has posted in the past, that excuse is invalid

not a big fan of OOP (the banned one) so i dont care about the specific issue, but LLs scrubbing of the only endorsed form of feedback is not promissing

*shrug* Welcome to mainstream success.

Shareholders want profit, not free speech.

The lindens are closing down the forums, arguably to both placate shareholders and to give us the ability to scream as loud as we want down the well.

Yes, he has posted to the blogs in the past, I am 99% certain.

coco