The Worst Thing I Have Ever Seen Ll Do.

Lewis has a very loose definition of genuine.

Dearly Darling,

Juro is a wonderful architect. He's done a great deal to making Second Life more beautiful. I always enjoy touring his builds. Ingrid Ingersoll introduced me to his work when I first came to Second Life.

Ever Yours,

Mrs. Showdog Tiger

So far is never a gaurantee of the future.
So far they haven't made the same choices they are now either. There is much to be said about not resting on your laurels.

It does confuse me a bit, why they will get very tough, sounds like unreasonably tough on the blogs but not here in this forum.

So what will be the net effect of closing these forums?

- Effectively silencing a lot of fairly relaxed people like me

- Transferring the 'getting tough' effort to the various blogging Lindens

- Surrendering control of community forums to places like secondserver


Why not just get a lot tougher here?

This forum closing move silences good people who casually post in good faith. The mean-spirited will continue to post all over the internet, and now, they get to have control of whatever de-facto forums exist.

<3 pol

I'm glad to have been reminded why I initially thought the forum closure wasn't such a bad thing. So much hot air about nothing. And it descends into another slanging match. I can face the closure with a happy heart now. I thank you... and good night.

Albion

Seriously, do you wander outside your parcel much? Juro's name is essentially synonymous with "good builder in SL". He's almost always in a top 5 / top 10 list. You can spot a Juro design from a mile away, because it looks DELICIOUS.

Rargh.

It's like stumbling into an artist's studio and being like "so who's this Da Vinci character anyway? I've never heard of him. He can't be that important to this... thing, what do you call it? Oh yeah, 'art' or some shit."

Your reputation of being a pompous ass continues unabated.

I think Philip and his crew have an ass backwards way of viewing their customers, seems we must be the enemy...we need to be censored in any way that does not agree with their way. I am not posting on the blogs, simply because it tells you your post will be reviewed for publishing, and hmm i find that offensive.

If they really gave a rats ass about their customers, they would listen more and do alot less lower level decision making to simply placate the crowds and hope that squashes some of the noise. Closing the forums will even give them more time to do whatever they do, and not have to listen to much of what the customer feels or wants out of their second life experience.

Yes some are very vocal, but then thats when you see what a great product you have, when your customer's passion about it wants to see changes for the better..and i have heard some great debates in the forums that have made excellent changes in SL occur.
Have seen them right wrongs, have seen them bring to light deceptions that were somewhat covered up.

Yes LL if you want to silence your best partner in SL, censor everything and keep plugging away at making this the way YOU want it..it can be both ways you know..and your playing, paying customer makes some very good recommendations that would have never occured to you, why? because you are not playing the game, you are creating it, walk a mile in our shoes first before making decisions that affect all of our businesses, i think thats all any of us really wants..and STOP censoring !!! it just makes ya look real bad.

I should save this reply and quote back vertatim the next time you speculate about what I've done in SL.

In fact I will..

As for Juro - he won't reply - he won't ever toot his own horn, although he should.

Apart from being (well in my opinion) probably the best creator of buildings in SL (bar none) - I personally was involved with Juro with his early work with what is now the GNUbie store - and before its inception - the bazzaar - probably the earliest place for new players to pick up 'newbie' stuff in SL.

From instructional pieces to hands on help back in the 'single sandbox' days - I've personally seen Juro help more people learn to build than anyone else I know.

I know he's spent some time with various groups geared towards helping the community, was heavily involved with the Cartel De Juarez' efforts to raise money for relay for life in the first SL fundraiser... and was even a first wave rezmod on the forums here.

And thats just from my limited dealings with Senior Kothari. I'm sure others have much more to tell - god knows he won't bring it up himself

On top of all that - he's a sharp dresser and has a nice ass.

Blah blah blah, LL is a horrible evil company that rapes kittens and eat babies.

Whatever. If they wanted to quash free speech they would ban people that bitched on their own blogs.

Think they don't have the right to? Lies. It's a private service, they can ban you for looking at them funny.

These conspiracy theories are bumfuck ridiculous, and I'm seriously waiting to see these damn forums closed.

There isn't enough alcohol to tolerate these forums anymore.

Calling your bullshit - you were being a snarky prick.

And I'm not American - I can see it a mile away.

It'll be nice for you, too, because apparently not everyone will be allowed to use the blogs.

Cinda, what you said is pretty much how I see it.

Cristiano's post has remained up. So far, so good.

coco

Quite so. I learned a lot about building thanks to one of Juro's freebie prefabs. I must have torn that thing apart and re-configured it dozens of times as a newb, picking up lots of valuable knowledge each time.

There isn't enough alcohol to tolerate these forums anymore.[/QUOTE]

Dearly Darling,

Shame that my single malt collection can't be uploaded.

Ever Yours,

Mrs. Showdog Tiger

I'm seriously starting to think you honestly don't see or understand why this shit gets closed or removed.

No, I seriously do not understand why a post criticizing the six sims - civilly and intelligently - as GOM'ing resident interests should be removed.

Do you?

coco

Well if you put it that way, yes. Yes I do.

Well, then we're just not going to agree on it.

coco

That's kinda like saying "she's pretty mellow today, for a dispectic hyena." But yes, for Prok it was tame. Also, it's after lunch and I'm much more easy-going after lunch. Maybe Pathfinder saw it during morning coffee and he's not a morning guy.



As better people than I have noted, blogs are not forums. A note which in a forum setting would be read as no more than caustic, reads as much more personally-directed when it appears as a comment to a blog post.

Seems to me that closing the forums means the forums are done. A weblog can't replace forums any more than forums can replace weblogs. Such a different structure tells me that LL wants, not just more direct dialogues between specific employees and customers, but also much more tightly focused, and focused on topics those employees introduce.

So from their perspective, it's more hands-on. From mine, it's a lot less entertaining.

Cristiano - poofed.

coco

Hit the red X in the upper right hand corner Sir

thats a sad thing

/me is not suprised at all

almost as sad as accusing one avatar of rape in what clearly was consentual (and very hawt) action

With the rise of all the third party websites, the only time I'll really worry is if they threaten them with lawsuits for defamation. You've just got to accept and move on, Coco, that LL is doing away with hosting criticisms of themsleves on their own servers.

Well, I've thought on this all day, as you know. And calmed down a bit.

I still think there is a possibility that Robin did not remove my post on her blog herself. Maybe she did. Maybe I was too outraged for even her, though I have never known her to remove things like this before. Ever. She is very-thick skinned. And her way of putting people in their place is a lot more subtle.

I was, myself, "pwnd" by Robin just the other day. I was talking in a thread here about how cleverly LL was suppressing controversies by burying them in the blog, without even a thing at the top where you could find important issues.

Robin then pops in to note wryly that I brought up a very good point - YIKES! I wasn't even thinking Robin was reading it! Pwn'd indeed! How embarrasking! - and that they would consider putting such a box at the top of the blog.

THAT is more Robin's style. Nonetheless, she may have removed my post, for various and sundry reasons. I don't believe, though, that she doesn't WANT to hear from me - and from others - and it will take her telling me that personally for me to believe it.

I have concluded some things, though.

Pathfinder's running a very nice little conversation there - for those he lets talk.

He removed Prok's post and then started talking about what was in it as if they had been his own thoughts.

Then, when Aaron Levy brought up basically the same thing, he treated him like a human being, while treating Prok and others like dogs.

He deleted two of my posts, and one from Cristiano, questioning this.

I therefore conclude that on Pathfinder's blog, he will delete your post if he doesn't personally like you. And if someone questions that, he will delete that, too.

I think the situation on Robin's blog may be perhaps a bit more complex than it appears. Regardless, I don't believe her to be a repressive individual whether it was she who removed it or not.

But the situation on Pathfinder's is all too clear.

I do NOT believe - I REFUSE to believe - that the Lindens don't want to hear customer feedback. I do think their way of doing it is not going to work, but I don't think they really (as a group) want to suppress everyone. They have always been friendlier and more open than any game devs I've ever encountered.

And I certainly don't believe Robin views me - or anyone, really - as the enemy, as Juro has suggested.

coco