Disturbing level of hatred

I know. I was responding to the bit I quoted, not on the matter of real death threats.

*shrug* Only my friends can call me a bitch. Maybe these are your friends, so you don't mind.

From what I read there, and especially the shit that winds up being dragged over here from that forum, I'm not interested.

And I am intimidated by no one, certainly not some shithead calling me names from behind their computer. But I'm not looking for it, either. Not with my temper.

"No moderation" sounds like fun, until something like this happens.

it has caused some of us pause

but the person certainly did not make whatever case they tried to make and its possible they left themselves open for federal criminal prosecution

one reaps what they sow

Find out the IP addresses associated with the threats and post them. Find out which users correlate to this IP address and post them. No need to wait for the police to get this rolling.

Whilst I agree the problem is the individual, and no amount of cross-checking can catch these things before they happen, I can tell you for a fact that as soon as that thread was noticed by a member of Stratics staff, it would have been sent off to its appropriate hidden forum, and my guess is that a permaban would be issued because of the severity of the content.

It certainly wouldn't have been plastered across other forums to draw attention to the issue, neither would it have remained in place for others to chip in.

This is not the sort of issue that is "best left to other posters to sort out". It's a behind the scenes thing to deal with, with the technical team analysing the post to get IP addresses and suchlike.

Lewis

I think you are missing the point and that you have your head in the sand here.

The point is that you *can't* handle your own, and you didn't really "handle this. Some people made some jokes and the guy went away for a bit. How is that "handling" it? You need some kind of moderation and rules. The whole idea of having a non-moderated rule-free forum is put to the lie by events like this. You have no plan and no structure and it doesn't make me feel like posting there to know that people will come to my aide with jokes???

Everyone has a line they won't cross (or should have), and this thing totally crossed the line. All that shit that the people lie you and the originators of the other forums were spewing about "total freedom" and "no moeration" is just that, a lot of shit. There is always a line, its just a matter of where you want to draw it.

In my opinion LL was too strict about where they drew their line but I guess you are now seeing that you will have to draw your own? Why not draw it a little more sanely and dis-allow some of the disgusting personal attacks you have allowed up to now?

Who knows? You might even get to be the official "second forum" if you do.

I'm not talking "no personal attacks" but some of the stuff Second Citizen allows is just despicable to anyone but a card carrying "Something Awful" regular. I am all for getting rid of ridiculous bans on swearing and nudity or for people just growing up and getting a thicker skin, but there still has to be some kind of rules or it's just another cesspool.

Seemingly a dangerous one at that!

If I have to choose between freedom and security, I choose freedom. The forums over at forums.secondcitizen.com are an ecclectic uberjoy and want them to stay that way.

Thank you, Cristiano. I appreciate your actions and I know all the civilised people do as well. *hugs* *hugggs* Thank you.

Cristiano, this is the second such thing I've heard about. A friend and long-time poster and SL member told me the other night that she had received death threats in game, and for a matter not unlike this one, in that it was a dispute over something that you could never imagine anyone taking it to that level.

Scary, indeed.

coco

I'm having a lot of trouble following this drama across so many darn forums but it looks like a personal fight between MadamG and Sensual Cassanova. Is this correct?

Where is the thread with the death threats? I need a link, please.

It would be something if Meghan Eldrich turned out to be "MadmaG"

So then you won't mind having your name and address posted there? I like SC as well, but I do think there needs to be a few fundamental lines that are not crossed.

lets address then



no one in their right mind would think that this wasnt a hatchet job, and the SC posters didnt let them be taken seriously

whatever their intention was, it failed, thanks to the posters at SC... all they have done is allow themselves to be open to fedeal law

hiding the thread would have resulted in whispers about who did what... the posts are still there so people can see what is going on for themselves



you forgot to post "/opinion off"



whether you trust the other posters to take the wind out of their sails is really irrelevant

no one bought it nor fanned the flames when this happened.

bullshit was called loud and clear



i agree, but this time they broke a real life law... thats what laws are in place for

the innerweb dont protect this type of speech



as of now, US law is it



at least you labelled this as opinion

and to answer your question, because i think people like the freedom... FIC does accomodate his community, and always had before it was known who he was... he built a fun and freindly community there, and allowed disputes to be settled there, so he may be willing to accomodate a large volume of community requests, but i cant speak for him and like it the way it is

it is what it is and its very good at what it is



as much fun as that would be, it is simply not the place for everyone

not everyone likes liquorice, but people who like liquorice, really like liquorice, and SC is gormet liquorice... if you dont like liquorice, there are plenty of other treats out there

i do hope the people who like liquorice end up at SC though, but we have a strong and active community now that i love, so im fine either way

but the welcome mat is always open and thats what i have been doing, illustrating the welcome mat



doesn't something awful have more members on thier forums than unique residents in SL?

just sayin'

and this does not imply any affiliation or endorsement of or by something awful



i disagree, its not dangerous at all

like i said before, SC is what SC is, but like any good forum, there is plenty of room for chit chat, spectating, and confrontation

I would mind that very much. Point taken.


I found some links to those horrible horrible threads.

http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showthread.php?t=2313
http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showthread.php?t=2304

From what I can tell it looks like XXX might be responsible for the death threats and the call to rape MadamG, based on the fact that they're having an argument over at SLUniverse. I say the folks on the two forums get together and compare IP addresses.

there is an option, i beleive, in vbulliten software to display an IP with every post publically

it is turned off, because some people fear IP addresses being known

perhaps turning it on would not be a bad idea, but the owner needs to decide that and i think the comfort level of the many community members is what is at stake

so make a poll at SC and see what people think about public IPs, if there is overwelming support, than maybe FIC will flick the switch... but your fellow community members may not like their IP made public

One could always put the IP number through a one-way hash to disguise it. If it's desired, I can have the code written for you. It could be very useful if it's employed across several forum sites.

~Ulrika~

take it to FIC and the community

i cant do anything of the sort

Yeah. I don't like it either.

After scanning through the New Posts on Second Citizen and reading the post/thread in question I am so glad that I left there. Between the death threats and all of the blatant lies and slander about my husband - the Second Citizen forums and all of its dramamongers can go to Camden, NJ for all intents and purposes.

well jenny, you should see how the community is sticking up for your husband

this was one attack by trolls, can happen anywhere

look at the time frame each of those posts were made

and read to watch the community tell them to take a hike

I think you have your priorities backwards. This thread is about someone making illegal, threatening, and violent posts, not about your personal grievances against a forum community.

Quote bump.

Not really, its all one big drama filled void desperately crying for help. I really have better things to do that focus on such stupid shit.

The threats of physical violence were way out of line. Sadly, its not going to stop until someone tracks the IP to the persons location, finds who the person is and slaps them with a lawsuit or has them arrested.

As for the person attacks on me and my husband, I can live without them. I am thinking about climbing that big ole mountain where if I can't see them I can't hear them therefore they do not exist. Methinks I will be much happier. Some people need to be ignored. I've fed the trolls and now they are full. Its really time for me to move on.

I've grown tired of defending myself and flipper against the weekly flood of usual dramamongering surrounding us. I have grown tired of wasting moments of my life on all of these vapid losers who have to alt up to say what they have to say because they are too big of pussies to say it with their name attached.

at the condition they are in your country