Complaints About Dwell/Money Chairs

I left SL some time go when I saw the greed within the player base, when I saw the land market being manipulated, when I watched personally LL having the wool pulled over their eyes again and again by the playerbase, and when I simply saw USD flashing in too many player's eyes. I've just now repurchased a small plot of land, relearning the skills it takes to create; and I'm not sure what I'm going to do.

...Look you in rl i run a business.......

Yes, that's true. But where's the incentive to do that whilst we have god-awful places with little aesthetic filled with AFK people earning L$10 an hour by just sitting there. What about that is going to make people think that they'll be anything other than ignored by all these new players who see a couple of shiny L$, sit down and go AFK. Maybe it's the laziness of the consumer that you should be railing against? And what impact do you feel this has on the overal SL experience? That people only visit places where they get free money? Wow, that's a healthy economy isn't it!

You know, I used to do this but very few people used to take me up on the offer - many just flat out refusing to let me do it. Explanations I recieved from many people basically revolved around them using the skates as the attractor and that they needed that content in order for them to run the events they wanted to. They saw the value to them as simply having a skate vendor there, rather than any money they would make off the skates, and they wanted to support my pricing low by not taking anything themselves.

As for sponsoring events it's a good idea in principle but, unfortuantely, never actually really worked well in practice when I tried it. It gets too complicated, at least it did when I tried it, as hosts didn't like being asked how many people turned up etc. and immediately went on the defensive. The event punters, by and large, only seem to be interested in how much money is on offer, rather than the quality or content of the event or how interesting it is, and that's something I'd rather not support. I don't want to be part of a support system that just allows that to propogate as I believe part of our problem in SL is that so much is built upon the mentality of "how much L$ can I get for doing nothing" that it's detrimental to the evolution of the whole. Whilst that pervades, quality may continue to be stifled.

What isn't publicised however, and what many people don't know, is that there are some people who do give large amounts of money to event hosts to help support them. It may not be many, but it does happen, in the hopes of nurturing a diverse range of interesting events that aren't all about the money.

That's because, since there's no inheritance in SL, as the wealth of the economy grows the general wealth of society doesn't. In fact, those newly born get worse off, not better - the availability of more stuff in the world doesn't help if they can't afford it, but there are less opportunities for them and the social acceptance bar has risen.

You know, I used to do this but very few people used to take me up on the offer - many just flat out refusing to let me do it. Explanations I recieved from many people basically revolved around them using the skates as the attractor and that they needed that content in order for them to run the events they wanted to. They saw the value to them as simply having a skate vendor there, rather than any money they would make off the skates, and they wanted to support my pricing low by not taking anything themselves.

As for sponsoring events it's a good idea in principle but, unfortuantely, never actually really worked well in practice when I tried it. It gets too complicated, at least it did when I tried it, as hosts didn't like being asked how many people turned up etc. and immediately went on the defensive. The event punters, by and large, only seem to be interested in how much money is on offer, rather than the quality or content of the event or how interesting it is, and that's something I'd rather not support. I don't want to be part of a support system that just allows that to propogate as I believe part of our problem in SL is that so much is built upon the mentality of "how much L$ can I get for doing nothing" that it's detrimental to the evolution of the whole. Whilst that pervades, quality may continue to be stifled.

What isn't publicised however, and what many people don't know, is that there are some people who do give large amounts of money to event hosts to help support them. It may not be many, but it does happen, in the hopes of nurturing a diverse range of interesting events that aren't all about the money.

That would legitimize dwell for the current way it is supposed to work. Its not a developer incentive, its a social incentive, and should be renamed as such. The problem is that its being gamed right now - sims filled up with 80+ zombie avatars, who are "Busy", "AFK" or otherwise just sitting to gain money.

If it were tied to actual conversation, that could give us an actual valuable metric of which land plots are socially active as opposed to zombified.

What say y'all?

Check this out: the only barrier between your wealth here and your wealth there is the one you personally establish. Don't prioritize Second Life? Don't expect Second Life to prioritize you.

You would do it to make them feel good about their time in SL, of course!

"Collect your job. Pick it off the bush where you think it grows."

This is YOUR priority. Not everyone elses. Some people hope SL will be something more than just a mirror to own economic system and f-ed up society.

This isn't a world unto itself. Second Life is tied to real life because real people operate these avatars.

Inheritence is a silly notion even to mention for that reason, as well as for the reason that no one is dying or reproducing within the timespans we're examining.

Check this out: the only barrier between your wealth here and your wealth there is the one you personally establish. Don't prioritize Second Life? Don't expect Second Life to prioritize you.

You know, JarJar, you could try to be constructive in this thread instead of failing at sarcasm and humor.

Well, if they want some sort of fantasy dream where everything is free, they're going to have to escape to an alternate universe where scarcity does not exist, effort is effortless and everything can truly be free. In the meantime, nothing is, nor can it be, as long as the efforts of real people are involved.

Well, if they want some sort of fantasy dream where everything is free, they're going to have to escape to an alternate universe where scarcity does not exist,

effort is effortless

That's definitely an issue. A challenge is identifying credible events and credible organizers (though luckily, on my first run around the track, I found both of these in Margaret's offer).

Exactly. But it's also tied to real life because SL as a whole competes in the real world against other entertainment products.

Which it should be in SL, as by your admission, people who're creating content should only be doing it because they enjoy it.

See, you were finally given an opportunity. And you're thankful for it. What's wrong with now offering that same opportunity to someone else instead of mocking those types of suggestions?

Attention, folks. Yumi Murakami wants me to work on a project for three months and then give it away for free.

This is a useless thread where you've attacked valid contributors to the grid for not dumping their weekly L$ balance into the pockets of people who aren't capable of earning it. Ones, in fact, who have done or tried to do the very things you opine should be done. I'm not losing any sleep because I'm a little flip.

That's definitely an issue. A challenge is identifying credible events and credible organizers (though luckily, on my first run around the track, I found both of these in Margaret's offer).

I've not attacked valid contributors.

You took your ball and went home and now you have the gall to lecture other people that they're not doing enough? Spare me.

(clicks a seperate program then clicks on her SL window)

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