Complaints About Dwell/Money Chairs

Put a counter in the advertising you set up at the site.

All of these require you to be holding land, or selling items.

The basic set of core actions you can take - in terms of things you can do with your mind and body - are the same. They can be applied towards a huge number of different goals, though.



Um. Yea. I fly over more and more malls, Impeach Bush cubes, other people's houses with locked doors, security scripts and 'no entry" lines... ummm...?



They might not like the environment, but they think they can make it become one they do like if they just get some more stuff and get better integrated, and the gal sitting next to them in the chair has obviously done that, so if they quit, they're not as good as her.

Not at all. If the key step to success is making money, that's gotten when people buy your things. If you can't make people buy your things, you can't make yourself succeed, because there's always the possibility of pulling up at that last step.

Don't bother, Moopf. For some, failure is a fetish.

Actually that is an option but I've just never done things like that as it all feels a little like spying. That's my own problem though, I understand that

Don't bother anyone. For some people, making a buck is a fetish.

FWIW, Enabran, I'm not all that married to any of this. I work hard enough in RL that I don't feel like I want to "work" in SL.

Can someone tell me where the next naked dance party is?

Cool. You ever thought about teaming up (as an employer, or agent, or consultant, or whatever... maybe a new kind of relationship) with people who don't like doing that stuff for a percent of the gross?

Maybe you should explain that for me, too, because I absolutely don't get it.

*smacks forehead in exasperation*

You provide what you think people would be interested to buy and make your opportunities by trying to get as many people as possible to know about it. You're not holding anybody to gun-point forcing them to buy what you're selling.

That's the big difference and the correlation between what Enabran said and the meaning you gave it is not there unless you will it into being with all your might and risk a prolapse in the process.

You know in all the time I've been here I've never once thought of myself as an evil little dirty capitalist who's only in it for themselves. Reading some of the comments by some people and their views on product content creators, it sounds like I must be, and I'm amazed.

Our words have been twisted and our commitment and offerings to the community (both in terms of product and other, non-commercial ways) have been belittled and are, apparently, not enough. And we're not content creators at all, we just sell things (apparently).

There's a part of me that wants to take my ball home now after delving through this tripe all day.

No. It's "I'm doing stuff that helps other people have fun as part of being in SL... someone on a camping chair isn't." Even if all I'm doing is walking around the welcome area talking to people there, or even being a nonphysical part of the scenery sitting on a bench, I'm doing something that's making Second Life more of a "virtual reality" and less of a "chat system where you can stare at your avatar's beautiful face".

Actually, they do. They provide an audience, they provide scenery, the provide contrast for the content creator, or a place to show off their freebies. Every person interacting with SL, as a part of the world that SL is invoking, is contributing to it. Only in a small way, individually, but together they make your customers more interested in being there and spending their LindeXed cash.

Those are your clothing templates? Cool. I still suck at *using* them, but who knows... maybe I'll do something with them worth pulling out of my inventory some day.

If your goods are ready for sale as soon as they're ready for your own use, that's true. If your goods take about five to ten times as long to polish up to "product quality" as it did to create (including testing our user interface on people, beta testing, creating artwork...) that's not at all the case.

SL is a socialist utopia where every necessity of life is free. The Lindens have had to work very hard to create an environment close enough to the real world that an economy based on luxuries can be built on top of that.

Guess which one pays more: a buck or a failure.

Nay, Moopf, nay. Don't feel that way! Feel gratified that your mind is not saddled with such sewage. Go on and make your own reality.

Nah, wouldn't be as fun. I see a very lucrative future as a consultant to Fortune 500 companies wanting to plant a flag in virtual worlds, though.

L$265 = US$1 right now. It does not matter if you got the $L for free, earned the $L in a SL job, sat in a camping chair, sold some stuff, or paid for the $L with US$. L$265 still = US$1 in all cases. If you make US$10/hour in real life, then you make somewhere around $L2650/hour in real life. If you make $L25/hour in Second Life, then you are making around 10 cents per our in Second Life. This is not a replacement of real life, people. This is an entertainment for most, and a small extra income for others. You don't have to earn your money in Second Life. If you are surviving in real life with a computer and a cable modem, then I'd assume you are already making money. You might not get to own everything in Second Life you ever wanted if you don't make enough in SL and RL combined, but why should you. Should you have the right to own everything people make in RL that you want. These are RL people making virtual things. Just because they are virtual things, doesn't make the work of the real life people worthless. If it was worthless, no one would buy their stuff.

Have some fun in Second Life, and stop acting like its a mandatory thing that people should be able to get $L without going to the currency exchange. If you can't do anything anyone is willing to pay you for, then there is no reason anyone should ever pay you anything. Just like if someone makes something no one wants to buy, there is no reason anyone should ever have to buy it. I don't have the time or money to just make up jobs I don't need people to do, just like I'm not going to just randomly buy plywood prims people made because they are for sale.

It almost certainly wouldn't.

This is the flaw in the "GNU" universe, the idea that getting enough talented programmers together will create commercial quality products. It doesn't, because there's all kinds of things that go into commercial quality software that aren't much fun and that being a great programmer doesn't automatically make you good at them.

But getting paid for your time makes you go back again and again polishing it, pushing it over the top, in ways that merely doing something because it's fun rarely does. Some people do go all the way, but most people stop at "good enough"... which isn't really "good enough" when you're competing with the success-motivated types.

That's true... IF you're the success-motivated type.

They're the audience. We need them too... but right now too many of them are locked away on camping chairs.

Yes. Someone understands.

No, they require you to be working for someone who is holding land or selling items. If the guy doing that hasn't thought of it, offer to do it for them. How many large landholders and vendors are there? All it takes is one to be interested enough to follow through.

No, not buzzing around in your AV. In a plane. Where you have to actually fly it. In the new lands... check out the mountains in the north of Arches. Whooo!

If the girl had done that, she wouldn't be sitting in the chair.

Sometimes happiness can be found in failure. Rarely is that the case with money.

Oh, please. Save it for Hallmark.

Living with a constant expectation of failure will give you no rewards, period.

heh,
On the same note, Living with a constant expectation of rewards can most certianly give you failure.

Failure is un-avoidable in life. We all fail once in a while. I agree that living with constant expectations of failures doesn't lead to rewards but sometimes the failure is a reward in itself.
I would like to think that the failure of a gunman or his gun would constitute a reward on my behalf to the extent that I was rewarded for his failure with my life. Sometimes, one person's failure is another person's treasure.

Failure is our greatest teacher. Failure is to be embraced only when you look at in those terms. Heh, many, many, many of my scripting projects have ended in failure, because I've always been a little retarded with that skill. Yet, my ultimate expectation was one of success, so my intermediate failures served as stepping stones to that point, teaching me many things.

When you expect ultimate failure, intermediate failure teaches you nothing because the lessons do not matter. Failure in experimentation is to be expected.

Failure as a mode of life? None of that for me.

(nod) But equally, you're not making your success - the people who buy it are.



Please don't lump my views in with Lynn Lippman's just because we have both argued against you. I don't agree with her at all, I think it's ridiculous to suggest that someone is not a content creator just because they sell their products, and calling you names as well is just unnecessary.

I have nothing against content creators. I don't feel that they "aren't doing enough". In fact, as I've said, I'd prefer it to be the case that SL could move to a monthly subscription (because being able to do that shows that everyone is enjoying it) and then ditch tier (so that people who do create content don't have to pay more as well)

exactly I have had my fair share of failures in my life and I still fail, the key is to not only learn from them but to keep getting back up everytime you fall and don't worry so much about falling again. The interesting thing, I look back to those I went to school with that were so intent on not failing are either 1. in jail for some drug related crime, 2. living in the local trailer parks with 5 kids, all from different mothers/fathers or 3. Sucessful in the fact they have money but their lives are pure hell and they are miserable with no one that really gives a damned about them. If I had to chose between never failing at anything I do but being miserable and unhappy or failing at almost everything but being happy and surrounded by friends I would chose failure. Note, I am defining success and failure here as to the extent at waht is commonly viewed as what it takes to be a success , money with lots of real assets, killer job, the kind of car that is considered the latest chick magnet and a trophy wife. Oh yeah, and 2.5 kids...(where in the hell do they get a fraction of a kid????)