Complaints About Dwell/Money Chairs

How is that dramatic committee of your's coming along? Aren't you chairman of something-or-other?

Nope.

I would hate to think your calling me "JarJar" is some sort of slight on my Caribbean origins.

As for the rest of your comment, I don't really care to spend my life making opportunities for others. I am willing to work together with others to achieve common goals, and that's just fine.

Damn, another failure.

How's those prices for your builds coming? Hired an advertiser lately?

To play devi's advocate, you can get infinite $L for exactly $US 0.00.

It just comes at $L50 a week, forever.

JarJar is from StarTrek, it's not a racist insult.

And no, you don't want to make opportunities for others, but you're damn happy when that opportunity affords itself to you.

I talked to a few people I've known throughout my time in SL, and came up with my own advertising concepts and artwork, and streamlined my business model.

Now my sales are much better, thanks.

Wouldn't bother me much at all if someone wanted a L$50 siegeBot. They'd get their money's worth. In the meantime, I've got over 600 satisfied customers.

The real life economy has been astonishingly good to me. My mother had me when she was 21, holding nothing but a GED. My biological father never gave her a cent and I never knew him, nor any other paternal figure. Mom never collected a cent of welfare or a single food stamp. Today, I'm a college grad and she's got a house with a pool. That wasn't handed to her. It was worked for.

You're not going to get very far with me by indicating the real world economy is so evil and everyone is going to get screwed. You're only screwed if you accept that fate as your own. But my attitudes on this mirror generations of my ancestors. My great, great, great grandfather, a bastard like myself, rejected the name and money his father eventually showed up to grant him. He wanted to make it on his own. My great grandfather, when the US arrived in Puerto Rico to hand out free food to the "poor, unfortunate" islanders, ordered his children never to take a single block of cheese from the American trucks. Why? "We did not work for it."

There are two attitudes in both First and Second Life. One dictates that things happen to people and that they need to be saved. The second is that people make things happen for themselves. One results in success. The other results in a life of disappointments.

I'm the first of my line to get where I am today. I didn't get here by being a victim. Success belongs to each and every one of us. You can throw it away or you can chase it. But the choice, and the success, can only be had by you.

To play devil's advocate, and to be pedantic (but you were being too), that means all the content creators also already have infinite money so why do we need to pay them more?

Yes, although I did give a group free reign on an island for 6 months. No, I didn't employ them but yes I did leverage the talent of the community. Same difference really isn't it. Even you said earlier that you wouldn't have to pay in L$, so I guess I met your criteria there then. Oh and I gave them all the dwell and the developer bonuses that I got, but then that's actually none of your business really is it.



The reason I gave the Catherine Cotton comment is because, to be honest, I've tried reasoning and discussing with you on this thread till I'm blue in the face and the longer it's gone on the more pointed and antagonistic towards product content creators you have become. There's a correlation there, which is why I brought it up.

I think you need to get back up to speed on everything that's been happening since you've been away, as you're firing off in every direction with little or no targeting and you're dismissing people's efforts out of hand. No matter what any of us have done, it doesn't appear to be enough for you. And yet, by your own admission, you've done sweet Fanny Adams for a long time.



Maybe you should read what I wrote. I actually wrote that people didn't want the money from me. They wanted the vendors. They wanted the skates as the attractor. Please go back and read it. I guess you're just in the zone and flitting over some parts *shrug*



No I can't, they are one in the same. Creating products is creating a type of end-user content. As I've already said you're breaking that link falsely to support your whole tirade.



Actually I think the person who hasn't been comprehending is you. Maybe you should go back over the thread and re-read what's been written to you and actually try to understand it. You're still just firing off in all directions.

And as for insulting, I'm sorry but your bull-headed arrogance today has rubbed me up the wrong way.

Here's an idea: Practice what you preach then try and convert the rest of us "heathens". Until then, please don't try to tell us how little we do for the community. You have no platform from which to throw your stones currently.

JarJar is from Star Wars, much maligned as an embodiment of stereotypical, stupid Caribbean islanders. Don't play dumb.

No opportunities make themselves for me. I make them for myself.

Then congratulations Chip on the "newbie designer" area for your store. I'm sure with the announcement about that area that you were swamped with designers who wanted to display their merchandise. This opportunity should definitely be placed in the welcome area, or at least have a monthly publishing on the Designer forum. I'm sure there are many out there who would want to take advantage of that opportunity.

As far as your loans go, we've all done that -- paid a tier, held land for others -- that's being part of the community.

But your comments about non-skilled or talented individuals not being suited for SL and sending them to TSO still stinks. Literally. 90K in accounts, and SL is trying to find a way to make some of them stick as paying customers -- but you'd rather send them to TSO. Again, you don't have to be talented to enjoy beauty, nor do you have to be a musician to enjoy music. SL is no longer the beta of creative individuals that it once was. But there has to be room for everyone in SL (sorry Lordfly) -- because if we're all builders then Lordfly wouldn't have a business.

Sooner or later, SL is going to ask those who are creating within SL to help with the economy by using some proceeds to hire individuals to help their businesses and help the economy by providing "more" for the users. More -- end user content that's not quite happening.

Don't play the racial card, I don't know you or your origins. JarJar is used for dumb, period. JarJar was used after your repeated attempts at sarcasm and humor, which failed. JarJar is also used for "dumb troll."

And your making the opportunities for yourself in your own words was finally someone took you up on your offer after months and months... That's finding an opportunity. You were lucky.

Well, this is where the differences between scripts and builds become a bit difficult, but - what if the siegeBot they'd get for L$50 would be identical to the one you're selling in every way that matters, but not a copyright violation (ie, slight differences to the textures)?



The only problem is that, if everyone had the "success attitude", there still wouldn't be enough to go round (if there was we wouldn't need an economy at all) and there'd be a crash at the top.

Also, the attitude that you "make things happen" is a little dehumanising. By that logic, all your customers bought the siegeBot because you "made" them do so, as if they were just robots that you could force to follow instructions. But they're not. They have free will, and free will requires that they have the ability to refuse to buy something even if all stimulus and logic in the world and in their opinions says that they ought to do so and it would be a good idea for them.

But, anyway, the point is not that everyone in real life gets "screwed". The point is that there's no point having Second Life if succeeding in it is just as difficult as it is in real life. If that's the case you might as well spend the time succeeding in real life and get greater rewards.



It is not possible for everyone to succeed. Not least because, if you're as successful as everyone else, you aren't called "successful", you're called "average".

Also, if everyone can succeed - what about those people whose criteria for success in SL revolve around never having to spend any money or do any work?

Lynn,
Are you trying to convey that what we need is more value added to the content that we create?
Based upon the past info, it sounds like what is really in need is not just to have the items created and sold but value added to the items being sold. This is parrallel to the retail strategy known as a VAR, a Value Added Retailer whereas not only do they provide the product, they provide the service/assistance that goes with that product. The VAR phenominon seems to go more hand in hand with the computer technology retail buisiness from what I have seen. VAR's not only sell the brand names lile Intel/HP/AMD but they also provide the extra mile of service with those sales like tech support, a Q&A line for minor issues and the ability to buy comptable replacement parts from them like ink.
I disagree with your take on what a content creator is though. The moment you bring something to SL be it textures for outfits, sounds, animations or scripting ideas, you are a content creator by definition of the 2 words.
In a nutshell:
Content is defined as Something that is contained
Creator is defined as one that creates
so by definition we can come to:
One who creates something that is contained in SL is in fact a Content Creator.

It just sounds more to me that what you are trying to say is that we need to have more value backing what we do here instead of build it, set it for sale and forget the rest and move on to the next money maker. If this is what you are trying to convey then I will agree.

Good for them. That's capitalism. Competition doesn't scare me.



I made opportunities happen by making something really cool. The result is that people who were intrigued by it bought it and recommended it to their friends because they were satisfied with the value exchanged. How is that even remotely dehumanizing or any of that other nonsense?



You imply disparity where none exists. Second Life is an extension of one's real life dreams and ambitions. I am succeeding in real life, as my skills in project management have grown immeasurably. In any case, how do you provide success to those who aren't willing to work for it? If everyone gets to be successful, it's not really success.

As for your other defeatist crap, everyone can be successful. It doesn't mean they make it happen. Honestly, it's not something I think about. I think about me and those who I value.



Best of luck to them! Their metrics are not my own.

Oh really? 'Cause I'm pretty sure you just said he was a character from Star Trek.

If you believe that you can "make" people buy something, you're dehumanizing them by ignoring their free will.

And you can't make opportunities. Or rather, you can, but only if you had an opportunity to make opportunities. (Bigger fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite'em....)



They're as willing to work for it as you were - that is, they'll do work, but only work they enjoy.



Ummm. Make your mind up. For it to be true that "everyone can be successful", it has to be the case that if everybody was succesful it would still be success - regardless of whether or not this situation actually arises.

there r options 4 newbies besides money chairz.

4 example, u can hunt 4 money in a maze .. in Whitestone ... at my place (SL Playground) lolz.

Just find the green orbs and touch them (u have 2 be close) and u win.

campers do not get rewarded but 4 those who want 2 play the game and hunt 4 it, the rewards are (i think) better than a money chair.

i have been logging the prize winnings for about 2 days now. some peeps r doing pretty well, as u can see:


mysql> select concat(substring(avatar_name, 1, 3),'********') as avatar_name_scrubbed_for_privacy, winnings from mh_report order by winnings desc limit 5;
+----------------------------------+----------+
| avatar_name_scrubbed_for_privacy | winnings |
+----------------------------------+----------+
| She******** | 1474 |
| Pon******** | 1269 |
| Woo******** | 1148 |
| Kom******** | 593 |
| but******** | 171 |
+----------------------------------+----------+
5 rows in set (0.05 sec)


itz still beta and i am not promoting it a lot. BUT i wanted 2 let peeps know that not every1 iz getting dwell with money chairz. some of us do have better (IMO) ideaz and r trying 2 make them work.


peace.

Everyone has the potential for success. Whether or not they exert the necessary effort to meet that potential is a very different story. As it happens, there's a vast majority of lazy folks out there.

Tell me where I have made the remark that I "make people buy my things."

Again, that's not true - unless you can show that, if every single person met that potential, it would still be success.

How many people are allowed to succeed before it stops being success?

Once that number of people have succeeded - so that if any more succeeded it would stop being success - doesn't that mean that everyone else no longer has potential to succeed, because they can't succeed without it stopping being success?

Here:

In one sense, yes, if (for example) "building" and "scripting" are two things. Or maybe just one, "running a business".

In another sense there's potentially thousands of things you could do. The people running money chairs could even subsidise the reputation system instead. You sign up as an "agent" of their property, and then you get paid based on how many people are on the property while you're there. That's your "McDonalds" job.

What about advertising? Similar tricks would work for vendors. When you sell an outfit, rez a tagged coupon for L$10 off into the copy the customer buys, and if someone redeems that coupon they get some credit at your store they can redeem by showing up with that copy of the outfit.

You need to spend some time flying.

Seriously.

And camping chairs let them hang on in an environment they don't like instead of one they do like, which is wasting their time (even if they're not "doing anything", SL puts a load on their computer and keeps them from playing games they DO like instead. That's as damning a condemnation of camping chairs as any anyone else has made.

Well, when I joined, you could still earn Lindens just by interacting with people and getting reputation bonuses. Not a lot, not even as much as you can get from a camping chair, but enough to give you an incentive to interact with people and enhance the SL environment simply by being seen.

Hold on, only in a strange parallel universe could:

"The second is that people make things happen for themselves."

mean

"I can make people buy my things"

You're way off there. It means that if you get up, learn to build, learn to script, make some cool things, chances are some people will want to buy them. It does not equate to making people buy what you make, but you create the opportunity that people will buy them by making the effort.