Sould LL just ban the "Impeach Bush" guy?

I swear, some generous souls should set up freebie distros for lost new Resis on 16 m2s plots. Some sort of utility with an ad that is eyecatching but not intrusive. That'd be helpful.

The ugly little casinos and uglier signs, stuck in places that get very little traffic, are put there for exactly the same reason as Bush signs, to spoil the view in hopes of getting someone to buy it. This sort of behavior definitely causes people to tier to zero .

The problem with LL banning him would be that he will claim that LL is preventing free speech. And that would be bad press for SL, or is all press good press? And it would set a precedent which could be used to stop other political speech, which is what worries me, eventhough it doesn't seem likely now.

Also is this really harrassment and Extortion, has he done really hunderds of sales? Only a linden could tell. He offcourse claims not.

The fact that we have great freedom to build whatever we want is part of the problem, if he was doing this on one piece of land their wouldn't be a problem. But he is exercising that freedom all over the grid on the smallest possible plots. In RL i'm allowed to hang pamflets on special designated places, would i hang them all over the city i would be fined and would have to pay for the cleanup costs.

Maybe a similar rule could be added to the TOS, : "You are not allowed to place repetitive signs in multiple sims" . This offcourse would also affect many other businesses, like landbarons or MetaAdverse. So this doesn't seem a likely thing to happen.

One thing that LindenLab could use is, if it is really true and they can show statisticly, that people are tiering down and moving away from SL. This would affects LL's bottomline and claim that he is harming their business.
I'm saying this because i think if LL bans him i would like them to accompany the banning with a good reason, other then our complaints about him and that the signs are eyesores.

I think I should also state that Lazarus directly harasses anyone who dares block the signs from their view. He has done this to me, many of my friends, and neighbors. Put up a wall he'll buy 3 - 5 more plots regardless of size (I've seen him buy up to 2048m2 sized plots) and surround your build with them. That and he has a nasty habbit of verbally harassing people as well. This is griefing nothing more.

This is a personal agenda, not a political one. And yes I agree that 1 maybe 2 signs per sim is enough for a political statement, but he puts dozens of signs in alot of sims. None are even high traffic either. And if you notice he's upped his prices another decimal place since people started rallying against him in hopes that we'll break and buy his plots to be rid of him.

Frans,
Its not what he is preaching that we feel is the issue, it is HOW he goes about it. Here is a picture I posted yesterday. This is a serious problem, in my opinion this person is destoying the landscape of SL. It not only my opinion, it seems to be 95% of the populations opinion. When an opinion weighs in favor that much, it because an issue.

Again, I'm sorry to keep posting this picture, but look at the land surounding my shop? It is disgusting.

There really isn't an option for me here. I want something done about it, but I am not sure what can be done without endangering other people's stuff that some may deem annoying or offensive, and banning is too extreme for my tastes.

That said, what you've said above Schwan, touches upon something I thought of earlier today, about the devaluation of main grid land. Perhaps, just perhaps, that is the real goal here? Hmmmmmmmm...

If he really wanted this, why is his pricing well above what people's cost/benefit equilibrium point is? It is solely a griefing mechanism and any profit is fuel to further fund the griefing practice. I have to admit, this is much more subtle than the orb bombs and, I think, a bigger thorn in the community's side.

EDIT: I see your point Nolan, the devaluing of the land is a very distinct possibility.

If everyone concerned by this would file an abuse report once or twice per day and everytime they encounter one of those signs, LL would be deluged by the number of AR.... then maybe after a few weeks of thousands of AR every day about this same thing, they would take action?
People write petitions to their representatives everyday, why don't we do the same thing here, via AR?

This one guy has managed to turn most people in SL against him, and he still is making money somehow... because people of SL are not sticking together on this... everyone knows what this guy is doing is wrong and for all the wrong reasons... yet he still endures...

Plan, organise, strike...that is what will make LL move on this.

my 2 cents

They didn't do squat about Chance Small's land scanners of lag and extortion. Why start now?

Chance's land scanners were little script boxes up high in the sky that were placed on 16m plots in just about every sim. These devices had 20 simultaneous scripts in them that scanned the sim for available land and sent e-mail about once a second from each device. The scanners - for a time - allowed their owner to pounce on land the instant it became available at the cost of system performance for literally everyone. These scanners continued to run after they ceased being useful and after Chance left the game but still continued degrading performance. The plots were set for sale for a meager L$1600/16m and philanthropic players bought them and killed the scanners.

Unlike Mr. Impeach, at least Chance's scanners were not an eyesore.

Cool idea. Then maybe my petty griefing would fall through the cracks due to the high volume of ARs on this single issue.

I used to support this guy and what he was doing. That was before his signs started popping up all over the grid. Sure, he can do what he wants on his land, but 'his land' consists of countless 16m2 plots all over creation. That's invasive and disruptive. That's not homestead.

There's ulterior motives at work, and i doubt they're political. This whole scheme stinks.

I don't know how anyone can look at this image and not consider this griefing:

It's a game not a place for political points to be made. I mean some of these people aren't even from America and don't give a rats behind.

I have to very large signs that stare in my waterfront property windows. =/ They also have a big black mess out there with dolphins swimming in it saying "Save the dolphins from the oil spill". I dealt with the dolphins but the signs in my windows are annoying. One was enough but two signs?

I suggest everyone take the time to post in the hotline and complain about this.

Whining about it in these forums isn't going to help.

Here's my hotline post:

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I suggest everyone add their voices, this is something there is 99% agreeement on.

You could also vote on

http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=787

Umm, unless you don't like that attempt at a solution, of course.

Anything that requires development probably won't get done.

Oh yeah, and I really don't like your solution.

hmm, just another suggestion, not sure it's completely doable in every case, but maybe let your neighbors know if you are selling small bits or even large bits of land BEFORE this griefer comes along and buys it. They have a choice to buy or not buy from you, but at least you've done them the courtesy of letting them know that you are selling and Impeach Bush (at $40L per meter) could be in their immediate view

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Here's mine.

Thats my rule of thumb, I always talk to neighbors first to see if they wanted to exspand.

I voted no because I think doing so would set a bad precedent.

*waits for a "bad president" pun*

I've got a great idea! Let's set up the Ministry of Beauty, in charge of the re-education and enlightenment of anyone who produces something that goes unapproved by the Ministry of Aesthetics!



I thought threads like this were against the TOS...
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Easy solution, secretly replace "impeach" on every image with "kill" and the problem might solve itself! If not, we can always call it a... erm, hate crime?

Hmm, looks like we'll need a guy on the inside though.

Or get Bush to start playing, then he can say it's a personal attack, omg!

Reroute the texture he's using to "Kick Me" signs.


They can do that, can't they?

Well guys.. apparently it IS political, I just read New World Notes and he says that he put them for sale to get them noticed in the find function... (not that I believe a word he says about it).

http://secondlife.blogs.com/nwn/2005/12/impeachable_off.html