Sould LL just ban the "Impeach Bush" guy?
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Captain Barmy
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12-08-2005 02:13
From: Siggy Romulus The same rights that let this guy be a dick, are the same rights I enjoy to build what I like.
And the *LAST* thing I want to see in SL is a bunch of people deciding what anyone else can build based on how 'offended' they are... Agreed 110%. This would be some serious "off the meds" hilarity if people weren't so serious. You know what bugs me? Land extortionists who buy land just to make 512m plots and put up those blatantly offensive "FOR SALE" signs (how DARE you let me know that plot's for sale!) at exorbant (over L$1/sqm!) prices. Grr! You know, some of us do like the wild and crazy world of tringo playin', sexball usin', impeach bush signin', giant statue of Jesus buildin', fake prim lawn mowin', w-hat joinin' Second Life! Okay, that's all.  |
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Lewis Nerd
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12-08-2005 02:46
"You know, some of us do like the wild and crazy world of tringo playin', sexball usin', impeach bush signin', giant statue of Jesus buildin', fake prim lawn mowin', w-hat joinin' Second Life!"
I can understand that. But some of us enjoy a quieter life without all of that.
When "your" rights encroach on "my rights".... who wins and who loses?
At the moment, it seems to be that the winners are either those who spend the most money, or who have closer ties to Linden.
Lewis
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Kyrah Abattoir
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12-08-2005 02:48
i voted NO
the TOS state we have no rights in sl anyway
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Selador Cellardoor
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12-08-2005 03:22
From: Corwin Weber Actually it was more of a collective 'you' directed at the whiners, who seem to be primarily land speculators complaining about unsightly signs that they'd have to pay an outrageous price to get rid of.
The hypocricy in this statement, when they've (and potentially you, I have no direct knowledge of this) made a fair amount of money at the expense of my (and other peoples') enjoyment of SL is almost nauseating.
That's nice.... I've dealt with having all land around my build terraformed down to water and covered with structures. Welcome to the semi-anarchism that is SL.
Yet it is at least for sale.
As does the inability of newbies to buy land without spending a large amount of real money on L$. Somehow I don't hear you complaining about that....
You're welcome to that opinion. Just don't expect it to be universally shared. Again..... semi-anarchism.
Your call. Honestly I'd guess that more people have gone FROM premium TO non-premium due to the economic changes and the social changes they've brought with them than over any in-world content.
Awwwwwwwwwwwww..... aren't they CUTE when they try to use guilt?
I looked at your join date.
You're complaining about him jacking up his lots to what you consider to be outrageous amounts.... and ignoring the fact that you're justifying people selling land at outrageous amounts.
And somehow I'm the hypocrite here?
I don't care.
Nope. You're just justifying people marking up land exorbinantly and complaing along with them about someone marking up land exorbinantly.
The expression 'a pox on both your houses' comes to mind. A wonderful justification for griefing and extortion. |
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Issarlk Chatnoir
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12-08-2005 03:47
These signs are kinda cute actually I like blue.
An option to not see builds owned by someone would be great. Banning this guy would be _scary_.
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Martin Magpie
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12-08-2005 10:31
Even tho my political stance is in favor of Pres. Bush I would not ban this person. As I am more in favor of free speech. Start taking away the rights of one individual then you begin to chip away at the rights of all ppl.
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-08-2005 10:57
I didn't answer the poll because I wanted more options than a simple "no" which could be taken to imply acceptance.
I don't think he should be banned for doing this. I think he should be told to stop doing it, though, by the Lindens, on the basis of the TOS. If he didn't agree to stop, then, yes, they could ban him.
I wonder if they have even talked to him about it.
Because it doesn't have anything to do with free speech (in this environment, I would believe that more if the sign said, "We Love President Bush!" or something); just pure land extortion. The fact that a phrase of speech is involved doesn't make it a free speech issue.
I wonder . . . I wonder. What if this whole story were the same, but the signs said, "SL Sucks" or "Phillip Linden Sucks?"
coco
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Kendra Bancroft
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12-08-2005 11:06
THe best solution is often the simplest.
Let's impeach Bush --then the signs will go away.
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Jessica Robertson
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12-08-2005 11:23
I want them to go away, but not like ban the guy.
How hard would it be to implement a "do not draw objects owned by anyone in this list" in the clients software??
Problem solved, he can build anywhere he wants to and anyone who doesn't wanna see it doesn't have to. Noone gets banned, and everyone doesn't have to see the signs if they don't want to.
Freedom of Expression is preserved as is the 'choice' to hear/see that expression.
Someone should go make a voting thing.
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Shadow Garden
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12-08-2005 11:26
From: Schwanson Schlegel Exactly.
This guy needs to be removed ASAP. This would send a strong message to anyone who follows in his foot steps.
If this type of thing is tolerated, I may just decide to do something similar. This is far more profitable than conventional land sales. Just another person gaming the system is all. It happens, this time under the guise of free speech. But banning him won't solve the problem. Just moves it to a different person and time. Open societies must pay the price for their openness. I'd rather have the signs than have even more freedoms revoked. Ironically, this just points out the same thing the American people are falling for. Let's protect everyone by removing their freedoms one at a time. They don't need to be at risk, so let's get rid of those pesky rights. The constitution didn't say you have the right to bear arms as long as it was a specific type of weapon and you passed a special class and paid a fee. Neither did it say that only Christianity was an acceptable religion, or even that gays shouldn't marry. People since our Founding Fathers wrote or proposed those changes to "update" the rights. Seems like everytime an "update" occurs, another right weakens or vanishes. I dislike the signs, but like the message. And I have to defend his right to self expression even though the signs are butt ugly. If I don't, and he loses this right, what's to say that somewhere down the road I won't be in the same position? Maybe he would help defend my rights then ... Just a thought.
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Jessica Robertson
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12-08-2005 11:28
I look at this like a demonstration in RL. The best solution is to not go if you disagree with it. Failing that, ie. the demonstration happens to be next door to you, you should try and ignore it. The equivalent to ignoring it in RL would be what I posted before. LL should really implement that feature.
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Shadow Garden
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12-08-2005 11:33
From: Corwin Weber In RL we have laws against price fixing to prevent exactly this sort of collusion and markup. Ah but price fixing is useless when other people in the market refuse to play along. There is a lot of land for sale, maybe not at the cheapest prices, but it is out there. You can't expect the Lindens to do anything, since they give you essentially land welfare in the form of first land to begin with. If you choose not to take it, that is your choice. But don't expect everyone else to lower their prices. As for markup, did you enjoy that fantastic burst of gas prices during the disasters in the US? At the same time that several of the oil companies were reporting record profits? Ayup, those laws against collusion and markup work well don't they? *sigh*
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Horus Baker
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Extortion - NOT a political statement
12-08-2005 11:51
I've been in SL for just over a month now. I've seen these signs and sort of waffled about whether they were a legitimate political expression or land extortion. I have made up my mind to the latter. I bought some first land in Philudoria. Soon after, in Denrolimus a couple of the signs appeared. Ok...I thought, he just wants to blanket SL with the message and he's buying up land in new sims. Now today, I notice that two more have appeared in very close proximity to the others. He's purchased up 16 sq m plots adjacent to each other and erected the signs. In one spot there are 4 large signs right in your face. Those 16 sq m are also listed for sale at 19,900 BTW.
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Pontroe Portocarrero
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12-08-2005 12:21
This immature arrogant griefer is obsessed with irratating people within the limits of the TOS. Hes laughing his ass off at all the annoyed people he makes money from that buy his overpriced micro-plots to get rid of those pointless signs. He obviously thinks SL and everyone in it is a joke (and probiably hates people in general) and gets off on irratating them even more if they complain. As long as he can get away with it and become famous, he has fullfilled his inflated ego mission. This guy is also most likely hoping the lindens will knock the chip off his shoulder(or his signs off of his parcel) so he can cry about not being allowed free speech and threaten a law suit. All anyone can do is ignore him, block the signs from view and not buy any of the parcels.
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Ron Overdrive
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12-08-2005 22:13
Rumor has it the lindens are taking a stand. Look for his profile, it don't exist anymore. Earlier you couldn't find his plots. The rumor is he's being suspended pending banning and they're gonna remove all his signs. Wishful thinking? Maybe, but I like to keep my hopes up.
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Siggy Romulus
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12-08-2005 22:52
Slippery slippery slope...
.. lets hope pandoras box aint opened.
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Sera Cela
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12-08-2005 23:20
From: Siggy Romulus Slippery slippery slope...
.. lets hope pandoras box aint opened. Does anyone remember when he started posting the signs? I'm thinking mabey he didn't pay his tier bill this month  |
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blaze Spinnaker
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12-09-2005 03:16
maybe they should just disable his ability to sell land for a month.
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Cienna Samiam
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12-09-2005 03:50
From: Newfie Pendragon I dont think he's violating the TOS from a technical aspect, but I'm fully in agreement LL should exercise their discretionary leverage to tell him to shape up or ship out. It's becoming a highly visible problem practically all over the grid. I shudder to think how much of a black eye this type of behavior is causing to SL.
- Newfie No more a 'problem' than bad builds, blingtards, or any other zoning issue. Indeed, zoning would neatly put a cap on this kind of behavior, too bad there's none in place, eh?
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Starax Statosky
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12-09-2005 03:50
I'm all for gender verification!!! I think a bush is a good sign of gender.
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Maxx Monde
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12-09-2005 05:21
I think political protest should be coupled with the rule of non-profit, that is, if you use land for opinion, and decide to sell, it should be at fair market rates, or perhaps 1$L a sq/m, as a suggestion.
This would remove the revenue stream from this specific action, and wouldn't penalize anyone for using land as they see fit. The intent here is to remove the obvious link between using inflammatory content as a profiteering mechanism.
What do you guys think?
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Ron Overdrive
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12-09-2005 05:32
From: Maxx Monde I think political protest should be coupled with the rule of non-profit, that is, if you use land for opinion, and decide to sell, it should be at fair market rates, or perhaps 1$L a sq/m, as a suggestion.
This would remove the revenue stream from this specific action, and wouldn't penalize anyone for using land as they see fit. The intent here is to remove the obvious link between using inflammatory content as a profiteering mechanism.
What do you guys think? He claimed the prices where to get himself noticed in Finder for spreading his message. My problem with believing in this should be obvious, he has around 200 plots scattered accross the grid. Does he need any more exsposure than that? His antics have already got him on SL's "Most Wanted" list I think that is enough. |
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Scopi Pascal
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Voted no because banning is too good
12-09-2005 08:06
He should be sent to a SL prison where he has to stack prims in the yard all day until his debt to society is paid off.
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Shadowe Shaftoe
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12-09-2005 08:14
Here is my 2 pennies.
He posts these signs to sell land. He may not even believe in his signs .. he just knows they are annoying to us. So, if they stop selling land sooner or later he will have to come up with a new gimmick for the terminally uncreative. I say we all ignore the signs for a month .... do not purchase the land and see if his little game changes. I know it is annoying .. I know it is rude ... I know it is insane. But I think our best bet is to ignore him and not give him any creatively earned money.
Shadowe
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Travis Bjornson
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12-09-2005 08:15
From: someone I think political protest should be coupled with the rule of non-profit, Political protest has no place in SL and should be banned. From: someone No more a 'problem' than bad builds, blingtards, or any other zoning issue I don't like ugly builds, but I think protests against popular RL topics are much more detrimental. It's not appropriate even in a commercial zone. Now, if he wants to buy a private island and fill it, that would be fine. I'd even chip in $1/month for his tier then. |
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