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P2P and Anshe - do I care?

Cristiano Midnight
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11-26-2005 09:46
From: Mina Welesa
The way this poll is worded, I can't honestly respond with a vote. A favorable vote would make someone look like a fan-club member. An unfavorable vote would make someone look like an insensitive jerk.


Welcome to the black and white world of Anshe's polls. It is not the first time all of the responses that did not agree with her point of view were similarly worded. It's the whole "you're either with us or you support terrorists!" mentality. She even trotted out the requisite Iraq reference.

From: Anshe Chung
Cottonteil, you do realize that most of that telehub land is developed land and not some real estate speculation land? Even if only look at my stake in telehub areas you will discover that about 80% of my land there is not for sale, but developed commercial areas.

At hindsight I would have been better off just flip all that land instead of bothering to develop it. Then somebody else would be holding the bag now...



The irony in all of this is that your zeal to develop every square inch of telehub land with craptastic mall after craptastic mall and then turn around and charge ridiculous rent is one of the major contributing factors to the downfall of telehubs. When people talk about laggy telehubs and malls, hello, they are talking about your "developed commercial areas". You remember those - the ones you again tout as reason to buy into Dreamland to escape.

So let's see - you help make telehubs the crapholes that they are with your malls, and then you also help keep the prices inflated with high rents and your dominance in the land market, and then people are supposed to be sympathetic to you when your cash cow has kicked the bucket? What alternate universe do you live in, Anshe? Are you so out of touch with normal people who don't want to dominate all of the metaverse that you can't see how ridiculous that is?

If you had come here and just posted honestly and said that you were opposed to this change, and expressed your reasons why, you would have probably garnered sympathy and even support. Instead, you just continued a sequence of bizarre behavior that started with your Ginko posts, and does more damage to you than helps you. That is a shame. You are a shrewd business woman, and all this seems to be quite beneath you.
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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11-26-2005 09:46
From: Merwan Marker
Sometimes SL can be a bitch!


Oh, and aren't polls about individual people against the TOS?


:confused: :eek:



Does that count if the poll is about the pollmaker? :p
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-26-2005 09:48
From: ZsuZsanna Raven
Does that count if the poll is about the pollmaker? :p


It should count doubly, since the polls are generally bullshit ones like this one.
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Enabran Templar
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11-26-2005 09:56
From: Cristiano Midnight
So let's see - you help make telehubs the crapholes that they are with your malls, and then you also help keep the prices inflated with high rents and your dominance in the land market, and then people are supposed to be sympathetic to you when your cash cow has kicked the bucket?


Wow. Incredibly well said. I'm impressed.

It is very important to note that the "poor, poor land owners" who capitalized on hub land are the ones most to blame for the move to P2P. Perhaps if hubs were useful, pleasant spaces, there would be a massive outcry against these moves. Instead, telehub land is mired in ugly, painful, laggy builds that everyone despises.

You brought your undoing upon yourself, Anshe. Congrats!
Logan Bauer
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11-26-2005 09:59
From: Zapoteth Zaius
I'd really have liked a "You invested in something risky, and in the end it fell thru" option..


I would too. I have nothing personal against Anshe, don't think there is anything wrong with her being sucessful or a major player here in SL.

Anshe, don't you see that you are only hurting yourself here, as Enabran says, you are only damaging your public image? People who are struggling to afford christmas gifts and just to pay their bills day to day aren't going to lose any sleep over you losing $5000US when you're apparently still making a good deal more money off of SL than most of us. That's like asking us to feel sorry for Bill Gates because he can't afford a new mansion. Public opinion will not be in your favor, as you already know.

You are a smart and enterprising person, please explain to me the purpose of this poll. It can't be martyrdom, that is done much better with humility. You start something like this and have to know that it cannot end well. So is there some reason that you've posted a poll like this that I am not seeing or understanding?

From: Cristiano Midnight
If you had come here and just posted honestly and said that you were opposed to this change, and expressed your reasons why, you would have probably garnered sympathy and even support. Instead, you just continued a sequence of bizarre behavior that started with your Ginko posts, and does more damage to you than helps you. That is a shame. You are a shrewd business woman, and all this seems to be quite beneath you.

(Edit> I just wanted to requote Cristiano's point above, it hits the nail right on the head. )
Enabran Templar
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11-26-2005 10:11
From: Logan Bauer
You are a smart and enterprising person, please explain to me the purpose of this poll. It can't be martyrdom, that is done much better with humility. You start something like this and have to know that it cannot end well. So is there some reason that you've posted a poll like this that I am not seeing or understanding?


Allow me to explain:

Embittered sense of entitlement.
DogSpot Boxer
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11-26-2005 10:15
From: Enabran Templar
Allow me to explain:

Embittered sense of entitlement.


Ayup.

In otherwords the same shit we went over in the TWO other threads that are now locked. Same shit, different player.

I can almost understand small time business owners having concerns, but when someone's made a ton of RL money on hubs already, it's nothing more than self-absorbed whining and attention whoring.
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11-26-2005 10:15
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Jamie Bergman
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11-26-2005 10:20
From: Anshe Chung
Anshe has more than 25000 US$ and months of work invested in telehub land and telehub malls. When it comes to point two point teleporting, do you care?


I do not care. Such is the business environment... always changing.

On to the next thing!
Enabran Templar
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11-26-2005 10:22
From: DogSpot Boxer
I can almost understand small time business owners having concerns, but when someone's made a ton of RL money on hubs already, it's nothing more than self-absorbed whining and attention whoring.


But, come on, you left out the best part! The reason that the hubs are being removed is the precise manner in which the land around them was managed! The irony is delicious! Someone makes a bunch of money on hubs and then kills her own golden goose by reaching up its ass for an egg just a little too hard.
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11-26-2005 10:22
From: Enabran Templar
But, come on, you left out the best part! The reason that the hubs are being removed is the precise manner in which the land around them was managed! The irony is delicious! Someone makes a bunch of money on hubs and then kills her own golden goose by reaching up its ass for an egg just a little too hard.


LMAO!
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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11-26-2005 10:27
From: Enabran Templar
But, come on, you left out the best part! The reason that the hubs are being removed is the precise manner in which the land around them was managed! The irony is delicious! Someone makes a bunch of money on hubs and then kills her own golden goose by reaching up its ass for an egg just a little too hard.


Now that made me giggle like a school girl irl. :p
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Jamie Bergman
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11-26-2005 10:31
From: Ravenous Dingo
of course we dont care.

we r the consumers, you r the businessperson. it is not our job 2 care.
if we were shareholders, then we would care.
we r not, so we dont.
thatz how it goes.


You're the smartest person I've ever seen post in these forums.

You get it.
Cristiano Midnight
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11-26-2005 10:31
From: ZsuZsanna Raven
Now that made me giggle like a school girl irl. :p


Enabran is so colorful :)
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Jamie Bergman
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11-26-2005 10:32
From: Anshe Chung
This poll once again show one very frustrating dilema :-(

The vast majority of people who voted here would just deserve me become the most selfish bitch. Life would be so easy if 100% of people would be selfish and inconsiderate, then I could also just become selfish and inconsiderate.

But the small minority of 10% still exist. My morals and my ethics exist because of them.


Would those be the morals who tried to ruin Ginko's reputation and cause a run on their bank?
Jamie Bergman
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11-26-2005 10:32
From: blaze Spinnaker
Actually, I couldn't care less about Anshe, she's a businessperson, I'm more freaked out about how I'm probably going to get ****ed over just as bad as she was.

What goes around will come around folks. You're next.

However, I suspect something more desperate is behind all this. Anshe, you're worried about your telehub land, but perhaps you should be worried about all your land.


And you said in a previous post you had no TP land at stake.

Liar.
Jamie Bergman
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11-26-2005 10:33
From: Anshe Chung
I can tell you what is behind this for me. It is one deep and long lasting concern I have about the state of the "community" here. There are too few people who care and are considerate about how things effect others and way too many people who just indifferent or even destructive.

This is not something just relate to P2P. It is something I observe since the first day I joined these forums, when I had to witness one mob of old players lynch one successful new business owner. At that time it wasn't me, I was still unknown newbie. It was somebody else.

Now I am not one saint. We are all human, all have our limitation and we all need work on ourselves. But why can't people simply care for each other? One day it is GOM, the other day it is stipends for the newbies, then it is telehub land owners. What is it tomorrow? Isn't there some way we could all develop some attitute to try be considerate of how things affect all of us, find solutions that not leave one group stand in the rain? Instead of just push the own small selfish view?

I am missing the community spirit here. Business owners are also people and most of them are not even rich or anything. If you look at their bank account, their car, their home you may be surprised.


Business isn't as good as it once was, is it? Thats the cause for your concern.
Jamie Bergman
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11-26-2005 10:40
From: Merwan Marker
Sometimes SL can be a bitch!


Oh, and aren't polls about individual people against the TOS?


:confused: :eek:


The Merman strikes back!!

No doubt he's glad to see his comeuppatance with his arch-nemisis and co-owner of SLEXchange.com

Good for you, Mer!
Enabran Templar
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11-26-2005 10:43
From: Anshe Chung
I am missing the community spirit here. Business owners are also people and most of them are not even rich or anything. If you look at their bank account, their car, their home you may be surprised.


By the way. What have you ever contributed to this community besides whining and vicious attack that might justify its supporting you? Please, let me know, I have obviously missed it somewhere.
Jamie Bergman
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11-26-2005 10:44
From: Enabran Templar
By the way. What have you ever contributed to this community besides whining and vicious attack that might justify its supporting you? Please, let me know, I have obviously missed it somewhere.



Hear, Hear!
Cristiano Midnight
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11-26-2005 10:51
From: Jamie Bergman
The Merman strikes back!!

No doubt he's glad to see his comeuppatance with his arch-nemisis and co-owner of SLEXchange.com

Good for you, Mer!


I wish there had been a way to vote for Merwan in this poll.
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Lola Rosebud
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11-26-2005 10:56
From: Anshe Chung

It is one great attitute:

"I want P2P for convenient transportation. I don't give shit about telehub land owners and their business/investment."

"I want cheap gasoline for convenient transportation. I don't give shit about people in Iraq."

Is that you? Is all that matters your own self interest? Are you proud of that?


And you are differing from this attitude how??? Over and over again it seems that you showcase how completely you personify this way of thinking.
Heather Partridge
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11-26-2005 10:57
Ansche, a simple 5 step solution to your problems:

1. Spend the next month randomly giving us all of your L$ holdings. Share the Love.

2. Travel to each of your properties and Abandon the land.

3. Delete your account and your web sites.

4. Have a revelation and chalk it all up to a learning experience.

5. Move to New Zeeland and be a sheep shearer. You seem to have a knack for it.

(kisses)
Heather
Robin Linden
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11-26-2005 11:05
This one has run its course and I'm closing it.

Yes, polls about individuals are disallowed based on the forum guidelines. The rule was made to protect people from being attacked or humiliated by others. It's a little less clear when someone starts the poll about themselves, but as we can see, the net result is the same.
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