P2P and Anshe - do I care?

I'd really have liked a "You invested in something risky, and in the end it fell thru" option..

it didnt fall thru they made a buttload on hubland now its time to suck it up and move on

The way this poll is worded, I can't honestly respond with a vote. A favorable vote would make someone look like a fan-club member. An unfavorable vote would make someone look like an insensitive jerk.

You can invest capital, or you can plough profits back into a company as an investment, at the end of the day it is still money that is being invested.

Anshe What Channel were you watching when the Blue Burke and Philo Hatfield Selling all Telehub land show was on, or the Hey that vote on p2p is getting some steam channel ?
No you were so busy watching the, I need to try and buy up every sim put in the auction or bid it up so if sold it will have to be concurant and marked up to my 20%.
You are a creature of the enviroment YOU helped create.
Now as Mothernature(LL) puts in it's helping hand to change the enviroment you will have to change too , to survive says the little Chameleon.
and sence there was not a pie option....

What frosting would you like on your Cake.

From the desk of,
A simple Casual Tourist Player

also, I did not vote, The options Left me no where too go

I am afraid that the poll gives the reasonable, balanced person nowhere to go, which somewhat invaldates it.
I would like to have seen

" No compensation, sadly, because it could not be fair as between all the various losers, nor could it be correctly paid only by gainers. Payment now would be an insupportable precedent, as every little future change would spawn endless similar claims."

Someone previously pointed out that the land game is highly speculative. You rolled the dice and crapped out on this one. It's not unlike putting up land for sale and coming back the next day to find 'Impeach Bush' placards littering the lot next to it.

It's ridiculous to expect the IB guy to remiburse for the realty damage he's caused ~ though it'd be wonderful justice to have him do so!

Your words. And it's a typical tactic to attempt to daemonize those you disagree with. Make 'em look bad and nobody will listen to the logic of their comments.

It's a low tactic, I might add.



Are you really unaware that there have been two such threads on this particular topic already, both of which got closed (one by Jeska and the other by Pathfinder)?



I've stated on many occasions that LL providing compensation is fine. It's their choice.

Theres a lot of negativity in the thread here, but I'll put in my rambling thoughts.

In essence, we have to think what profits LL more. The bulk of the revenue, I would assume, comes from tier payments. So, in effect, the best way is to encourage purchase of more land. So, what to do? Remove as many negative factors that affect land purchase as possible, which in this case, remove the travel time to the said real estate. This is not just for 'commercial' lots but also 'residential' locales. This has the positive effect of also equalizing all commercial potential for land. Meaning, now everyone with enough skill to make decent quality content has a fighting chance without forking out lots of money for hub land.

On the issue of whether anyone should care about people who deal with real estate.
When you think about it, you wonder why there is ever a need for land barons as middlemen for the mainland (Privately owned themed sims are a different matter). With a few rare exceptions, their presence has always had the effect of increased land cost for everyone without any actual added value to the said land. At most, there is some superficial tree planting to sweeten the appearance and the task of land division. This neither benefits LL as a business nor the residents as customers.

Some wacky suggestions for LL on improving land sales. I'm sure they won't read them unless you put some swear words in, but anyway.

- Spend more effort on land textures and themeing. Land themes should be tied with the 'plants' tool in the build panel. For example, on a rocky mountain theme, the plants tool generates flora indigeneous to the locale. And the secondary 'grass' tool rezzes bits of boulders and rocks of various groupings. This would save people from using twisted prims to make rocks. I assume the current generic plants are some sort of parametric models, that can easily be replaced depending on which sim they are located. I won't mind places themed on more exotic landscapes like martian and moon landscapes too, with the plant tool rezzing regolith and bits of martian matter.

- Reward those that have been running on their tier payment for some time. Reduce their tier rates for loyalty. This may sound absurd, but think about it. People feel happier and don't feel so reluctant to own land, thinking some time in the future, it becomes less of a burden. People might be inclined to move up in their tier as time goes by too. In terms of business sense, its not that bad. Since computer infrastructure is getting cheaper by the day, LL should be able to provide more storage with less cost through time, like sharing more sims on a server for instance.

- Use those older servers and stack sims one above each other and not just sideways. Another absurd idea, but, wouldn't it be cool if you could purchase property up in the sky as well. So for land owners that can no longer expand and purchase more land sideways, due to the limits of the sim, or just neighbours not willing to sell off their land, have them buy up the sky as well. Or even a subterranean level. So many are making fake floors to create their underground empire, why not sell it as land? Wouldn't it be fun to have underground cavelike sims for people who enjoy privacy or just hates the sun living under all the normal terrain?

Cottonteil, you do realize that most of that telehub land is developed land and not some real estate speculation land? Even if only look at my stake in telehub areas you will discover that about 80% of my land there is not for sale, but developed commercial areas.

At hindsight I would have been better off just flip all that land instead of bothering to develop it. Then somebody else would be holding the bag now...

lol you have some nerve saying that in a thread designed to promote your own self-interest.

i normally find myself defending you against the knee-jerk anti-anshe crowd, but your posts on this subject here and elsewhere have been transparent and probably hurt you in the long run

If you want to present yourself with a semblance of professionalism, then write reasonable poll choices and stop making overly melodramatic analogies.

You know as well as anyone that there is significant risk and volatility involved in doing business on the cutting edge... and right now SL is so much of a "work in progress" that it is very cutting edge.

If I had any sympathy over your plight with this change, I am rapidly losing it due to how you are handling yourself.

Yes, I do care! But what I care about is when others try to make it look like they are getting a bad deal dealt to them.

I may be wrong, and please feel free to correct if I am, but the 20K to me is a pretty unrealistic figure. Yes Anshe, we all know you have spent a lot of money on telehub land and understand that now it will only be worth a fraction of what you paid for it.

But please, a lot of your malls have been around for a long time and you have more than recovered your initial costs and IMO have made a considerable amount over that cost on each piece. At the prices you charge for rent at your malls, I figure it only takes about 3-4 months for you to recoup your initial investment. Maybe not even that. (Maybe the loss of extra monthly income is more the cause for your concern.)

If you real concern is for community, then why not lower your rent at all the malls to say 1 per prim per week. This would allow new players a place to sell and might even encourage more to shop at the hubs knowing that there might be something new there instead of the same shops that are found at every hub. You would still be able to recoup your costs, it would just take longer.

u have some strange priorities lolz.
thatz good tho. RL design projects always need peeps like u who will work xtra hourz becuz they want 2 be dignified and part of something great. helps the CEO pay 4 their boat.

I want my PIE!

Blah blah blah.


I want P2P teleporting. I HATE lag inducing telehubs. I want to be able to go directly to a place and not fly into rezzing buildings and get kicked off the sim by lame home security scripts. In fact, when I first started I just assumed that was how it was, you could tp to a place, eek was I mistaken.

People invest in things all the time...some things increase in value...some things decrease in value. Why should an investor be credited back for losing out? They go into it knowing that it may happen and take that chance. Sorry but I do not and will not feel sorry for people like Anshe.

Nothing in SL is set in stone...absolutely nothing...

Thank you Kris. Ditto.

Yes, so true. It's called playing the victim in a snarky sarcastic way...

I have not really seen much Anshe-flaming going on (with few exceptions) but all of a sudden, an unfortunately-worded poll with people's honest opinions is seen as flaming?

It is unfortunate that people are possibly going to lose money. It is unfortunate that this happens in the real world all the time. Wal-mart is running many places out of business - where's the furor over that? I'll tell you, there isn't much. Are those companies being compensated? No. As long as we the consumer get things on the cheap, we don't really care about who is affected by Wal-mart all that much, because who doesn't like to save money?

Back to topic (although that comparison should not be lost on anyone). Making P2P available only to premium account holders is a disgusting thought. Let's make the newbies feel even more welcome, huh? Let's also make the basic accounts feel even more welcome while we're at it. Not everyone who is playing can afford even that extra $10 per month - some people are on budgets. Some families have multiple accounts. Does it make sense for them to pay for more than one premium account? I know for some people it does, but when you are not getting any compensation for it, why do it? I say start compensating the basic accounts - they aren't fighting about hub land or any land at all. They aren't even holding land hostage to get rid of ugly signs. Many of them are just here to PLAY A GAME and have a little fun with their friends.

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So's pretending to be an egg.

I don't expect the community to give me dick. I make money by providing something of value to others. If that value doesn't exist for my customers, my business isn't worth maintaining. Telehubs have been a cancer on the SL user experience. You made your cash off of them. Bravo. Now that day is over. I should hope that your business planning included something a little better than public whining for dealing with unexpected changes in the SL landscape.

Invest more wisely in the future.

edit: And don't expect an ounce of sympathy after your recent predatory behaviors. You really need to clean up your public image.

Anshe

Let me say for the record I like you. All my dealings with you have always been fair, I live in Newport I like my land and I dont think you are the devil.

That said stop your bloody whinning woman! Its like listening to Donald Trump whine cuz a land deal went bad. No one cares becuase we all live our day to day lives Rl and Sl and we dont have time to care about the Donald of SL.

You are a very smart lady, and a good buisness woman, take your lumps like an adult and go corner the next market. Please, show us the Anshe Chung we all love to either like or despise not a whinney snivley Anshe that makes me wanna puke.

For gds sake woman you are better then that. ACT IT!!!!!!!

Anyone with a modicum of real business experience would handle this in a much more adult manner. Anshe continues to provide wildly unexpected amusement.

I invested US$25,000 in swampland and nobody compensated me when the demand for swampland didn't materialize as I had hoped.

Oh, we're talking about virtual land here? Nevermind.

PVP? Hah, what? Ah, P2P! Sorry.

For a moment I read that as PVP... I suppose I've played Lineage2 too long, and it took several posts to understand.

Though PVP devalued land would be quite the topic!

"Leave this sim! We are farming noobs here. Clan war? pvp 1v1!!!"

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I wonder how the vote would go, if "raise prim limits by a factor of ten" were proposed.

Social good does *not* always come from the collective desire of the masses.

In the ancient days, this was mitigated by giving more 'rights' to a 'landed gentry'. Arguably, that is *still* the system in place if you are Microsoft or Halliburton (or Enron, until recently).

There has to be a middle path between the damn-all-the-rest desires of the freebie masses, and overt creation of a landed gentry. And likely we are all doomed to argue about the line forever - lest we give in to the tyranny of one or the other.

Though... should a landed gentry come about... would my tiny 9000m estate gain me admittance to the country club, and a monogrammed smoking jacket?

Sometimes SL can be a bitch!


Oh, and aren't polls about individual people against the TOS?