P2P and Anshe - do I care?

Anshe has more than 25000 US$ and months of work invested in telehub land and telehub malls. When it comes to point two point teleporting, do you care?

Anshe,

I think if you were actually to seek popular opinion (this can't be done in the forums) in an unbiased manner (I'm not sure if this could be done by you) you would find that P2P would win over Anshe in a landslide.

I wouldn't attribute this to apathy or Anshe-is-the-devil syndrome, it's simply because it's a feature which the average Second Life resident can wrap their head around.

Of course the forum crowd is generally more discerning. If you're trying to convince them that P2P is not a good thing I think you need to prove somehow that telehubs did succeeded as a form of passive-zoning.

Although if you let people know in this way that you have profited by increased commercial traffic due to the telehubs then they would probably be less likely to take pity on your situation.

I think enough people here care about the issue of P2P teleporting that it won't be as bad as that. This may sound odd coming from me, but give LL some credit for trying.


As for this thread, don't self-martyr yourself, Anshe. You're a figurehead. You're frustrated. I get that. Posting something like this really isn't going to improve anyone's perception of the topic. It's just another grab for attention.


A better question to ask: How can people such as yourself, large investors in Second Life, discuss business-related topics without seeming "after something?"

That would be a much more entertaining discussion, IMHO. Sans flaming.

Some of you are acting like this will mean that all the malls and such surrounding these area's will cease to exist once P2P teleporting is added. Yeah it might mean less traffic but is it really fair to keep forcing people who dont want to shop at these area's to continue to TP there just so you and your fellow land owners can make an L$ or two?

Thats not adding into it the tremendously lag infested area's where after you finally escape the sim the tp hub's in you almost have to relog just to do anything. Especially area's surrounding places like smokey or the one with the 1hr free slots, which sometimes maxes out the sim to where no one can get near them.

In the end this really isnt that much different than when LL decided to axe off the rating bonus. All those who wanted so desperately to remove that in order to take L$ out of the market got their wish granted. So this will just take alittle more L$ out of the market. Besides some of you wanting SL to be as realistic as possible just to make a buck with exchange rates seem to forget that in RL you dont get paid for traffic (or tresspassing).

This thread is not about P2P. You may be for or against P2P. It is also not one lobbying attempt. It is about something else that I want show you.

Anshe,

Since purchasing the telehub land, how much in profits have you made over tier? I would imagine by now you have more than recouped your purchase costs, so that number is misleading. Also, if your malls are such important commecial destinations, then people will want to teleport to them directly, yes? How does this devalue your business at all? You've also made quite a killing on the double edged mantra of yours - on one hand, you buy up every mall in SL, then you sell Dreamland plots under the auspices of "get away from the laggy malls!". Certainly the writing has been on the wall for a very long time that P2P would eventually be implemented - the will of the people is way too strong and the telehub system is unmanagable as SL continues to grow. Why had you not diversified to be unaffected by this change?

I'll play devil's advocate for a moment.


So. Do we "care" if a major player of the land market gets screwed by a change at the systems level?

Hrm. Not much difference from my own patching woes. (as long as I have that article on hand)



Here's the thing, though. You, Anshe Chung, are running a subsidiary business to Linden Lab and the employees that make Second Life tick. By this token, a basic level of trust and symbiosis must be established, else your business will fail or be exceedingly volatile in the long term.

This is a rather nasty situation. It means placing blame for business-related problems in someone else. And as preached often, when your problem becomes the fault of someone else....



Well.

All I can say is this. If you, or anyone, plans to stay invested in Second Life, do so because you trust the system and enjoy what it is you're doing.

If not, I personally wouldn't invest any longer. But that's me and my opinion.

I'm not trying to flame you or anything, but if this thread isnt about P2P then why did you bring this subject up, let alone start a pole asking if we care about it or not?

Well if nothing else, it will feed Anshe's hilarious opinion that everyone is just jealous of her mad l00t, and that is the only reason they ever criticize her.

I don't want to cause another arguement over this, but didn't you tell us all rather loudly last week that you hadn't invested ANY money in SL, but rather that it all came from in-world profits?

I would like to note that the investment of 20,000USD has suddeny risen to 25,000USD.

Isn't this a bad time to be increasing your telehub holdings?

Just curious about the numbers here. Is that $25k or $20k the raw value of the telehub land, or the value of the telehub land over and above the value of the land as non-telehub land?

The latter is the more relevant figure. If telehub land becomes the same as any other land then one doesn't lose the value of that land as just ordinary land.

The poll itself is different from the original forum post, the land may only be devaulued the investment wont totally be lost, as far as im aware the telehubs will be turned into public areas and will have special markers on the map so it still may well be strategic land over normal land but not like your totally loosing out, and like any investement, they may go down as well as up.

25000 US$ is land value, 20000 US$ is value difference compare to normal land.

And, yes, it is investment. In this case does not matter if this come from profits I made with other business in SL before or if it come from money earned in RL job. The bottom line is that it hurts, very badly, and obviously people who vote here simply give the shit about it.

It is one great attitute:

"I want P2P for convenient transportation. I don't give shit about telehub land owners and their business/investment."

"I want cheap gasoline for convenient transportation. I don't give shit about people in Iraq."

Is that you? Is all that matters your own self interest? Are you proud of that?

Seriously, I don't care one way or the other Im gonna try and take a non involved party standpoint here and actually try and make sense for a change because this non-stop forum whining is uneccessary.

Anshe, you are a businesswoman in SL and you have managed thus far to be on the plus side of most of the changes to the platform if not all. Furthermore you have always seen where to change your business structure to match or exceed your profits.

Instead of worrying about what is changing, or even who cares. Never really thought of you as one who really cares what people think about you anyway.

Yeah 20,000 / 25,000 US is a lot, but realistically you are not losing the full amount, selling it at a loss wouldn't be a total loss, it isn't like you will just be releasing the land.

Complaining about it will do you no good, you may as well stood on the shore and screamed for hurricane katrina to change course. You can see how far complaining and fighting change got GOM, I doubt you would fair any better, and I do believe GOM lost a helluva lot more than just 25k or so, they lost an entire income.

What you need to do is exactly what you have done all along, find out how to turn these lemons into lemonade and turn a buck off it. It's what any business person would do when dealt a shitty hand.

Oh and stop bothering us with your problems, you should know by now how well that goes over in the forums... Besides, it's bad for business.

I hope you will never have problems in your life that you might consider bothering others with.

I don't think she's likely to make a poll about it in the forums, though. She'd prolly ask people who she likes, trusts, and could identify with her problem.

It doesn't follow at all that those who don't care about one single individual in a community of thousands are looking out for their own self interest. They might just genuinely feel that the benefits to everyone happen to outweigh the potential loss to a single person.

Personally I was against telehubs when they first arrived. The implimentation devalued my (at the time) non-telehub land, so that I lost all I'd spent on it. Since then, speculators have controlled the market to make a profit, while everyone else lost out.

Perhaps it is unfair to you to lose your investment, and you have my sympathy. But I am still glad to see the telehubs go, and P2P come back.

Remember, this is not new... this is just the end of a failed experiment.

I knew you were going to somehow take this there, you didn't disappoint. It is now "if you support P2P, you support the war in Iraq!"

Isn't this entire thread about your self-interest, Anshe?

BTW, what about your attitude? That you have put in a bunch of money so that should trump improving transportation in SL for everyone. The needs of a few do not outweigh the needs of many, Anshe. You have had ample opportunity to diversify your land business, and to get out of telehub land altogether. You stayed in it because there were windfall profits to be made. Yet somehow those profits are mysteriously absent when talking about how much money you are losing. If you just buried your head in the sand even with ample warning that P2P was wildly popular and would eventually be implemented, your CHOICE to stay in the telehub land business was not a particularly shrewd one. As you can see from the poll Evita, nobody is crying for you.

Me too, but I dont tend to do that.

and btw, great job at missing the point entirely

Did you actually read the poll choices? Or you try to deliberately spin my words again?

P2P will come, Linden Lab decided. This poll is not about P2P yes/no. It is about if you care about the telehub land owners and if you think Linden Lab should do something to help them.

The vast majority of voters on this thread more or less vote they don't care. It is really one shame.

This is just a sign you may be investing too much into a fantasy reality. There are many who have alot more to worry about than just you losing out on some future money that you'll probably make up the difference with later on.

When your faced with losing just about everything in rl like i am then maybe i'll have alittle more sympathy for you.

Well its not me, living in the uk we have one of the highest gasoline prices, and thats good for a healthy enviroment, public transport is a great asset gives people a choice where to go and its cheap too, and from cheap public transport in the uk we got the out of town shopping malls, not built around a major station but built in a location with space, it attracted the shops and was nicely built so the people came, i personally have liked a few malls on the mainland one including yours due to the low lag and build quality, and people do still love to windowshop, and not goto a mainstore.

That's because those are the choices you gave.

If you'd had a "do you think that LL should compensate telehub land holders" poll with a "no because it would set a dangerous precedent" option, you might see that it isn't the world versus you.

You worded it in such a way that you could say it was.

Of course I read your incredibly leading poll choices. You worded them to get exactly the outcome you wanted. As far as the comment about Iraq, you made it, not me - you made the comparison that somehow wanting P2P at the expense of telehubs is like wanting cheap gas at the expense of the Iraqi people. Not only do the two comparisons not fit, i

At the end of the day, Anshe, most people are not worried about your investment choices. They are worried about their own issues. You getting compensated is not high on anyone's lists of big concerns, nor should it be. You should also not try to guilt people into thinking there is anything wrong with not being concerned about your issues. They are your issues to work out with Linden Lab. If you feel unfairly treated, then speak out to them. Just don't come to the forums demanding sympathy from the very people you've made your fortune off of.

Did you ever think that perhaps scaling back on the power mongering gig would make you less vulnerable to changes?