Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

It's the little triangle in the lower left.

Er... it's the red one with the exclamation mark. On the left? Under the poster name and icon near the bottom of the post? Hover over them with the cursor.

Maybe. Or maybe it's actually someone new, the kind of person LL was hoping to get to try SL, who is caught offguard with the ready acceptance of alternative lifestyles in SL.

<cocks the hammer on his 12 gauge shotgun>

You say'in you got a problem with me being all JUDGEMENTAL-like? Telling me I should be more TOL-OR-ANT?

BUGGER THAT!

<***BLAM***>

Geddoff my land, you dang HIPPIES!

...

(This will not end well.)

I'm saying that you're rude, a bit defensive of the ability to freely express ones inner freak which SL affords, and that SL is never going to have mass appeal if people who are shocked by this are "tossed out" by you. Who the heck are you to decide who should stay, anyway? Oh, that's right, I remember who you are; the preacher of how easy it is to get along. lmao

Ok melissa lets start here. If your not walking into people's homes un welcome your unlikely to encounter this by accident. Unless your specifically searching out certain sexual sub cultures in SL your unlikely to see any of that kind of thing. I've not run across people blantantly having sex in public unless the place was intended to be as such. Homes are supposed to be private and if you respect people's privacy there isnt a problem. Its why alot of people build sky boxes these days because to many folks like to just pry into their business. It's not even child porn really its a 3d representation which has no incling of being legal or illegal. The question is in the countries where the images made to look like children is found illegal do they allow hentai?

Hentai often portrays people looking young or almost child like. Its not found illegal however. SL is tant amount to the same thing. Its not anywhere near an image of a real child and its not hurting anyone. I'd rather have people express themselves freely here then be persicuted for it. Like i said a few times now if you dont like it in sl then dont participate in it its your choice. If your going to places where this might be happening and believe me you would actually need to look then thats your problem. Dont get disgusted if you went there and saw something you think is disturbing. You dont have to accept it but why try to change those people that choose to function in such a manner?

<grins> And I tossed people out how exactly? <waves a hand> Did I somehow cut off their internet? Did I even tell them to leave?



And myself:



I invited them! And even if you want to take that as a threatening statement to 'get out', I feel that my methods were much nicer than the ones I responeded to. Aye. it's all semantics. I did generally tell them they were welcome to leave if they did not like it here. I never said they HAVE to go, nore did I threaten them with action if it did not. Not unless you want to make something of the 'door in the rear' statement, and that's pretty much going to be hard to pull of as aything other than a figure of speech.



Kinda makes a point there. The attacks started right about there, in the person's first post ever.

Now, as to getting along: I get along with tons of people! You know, the ones that don't walk into a situation, listen to about ten seconds of the current conversation, and then say something along the lines of "THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL AND BAD AND IT'S ILLEGAL AND ANYONE WHO DISSAGREES WITH ME IS BAD TOO!".

Nope. Those bounce when they hit the curb if they wander into land I control.

Now, the above person could have said all sorts of things instead of what they did. How about this:

"I've not read the entire thread, but is seems to me that it's illegal, and that those saying it's not are wrong. Since I think it's illegal, I have to wonder at the motives of those who think it is not, and if they have some kind of motive."

Hmnnn. Nope. Seems to accuse people still. Anyone else want to give it a try?

No I haven't been able to look around much but from this I had the idea that this was everywhere.
I'm certainly not looking for it.

I think deep down if I knew someone defended that kind of stuff or liked it then I certainly would not want my kids to be around that person.
I just find myself angry when that even comes to mind. Sorry if I seem snobby.
Its something that bothers me.
Not that my kids are around here but the fact it is encouraged and harbored in these peoples minds. And by acting these things out. But in my mind and opinion that is one step closer to someone thinking of that when they see my kids in public or anywhere.
It is their right to do almost anything they want in their own spaces but I do not have to like the material that helps a persons mind come closer to harming a child.

Thank you. Just remember this: Quoting the law does not mean someone is hiding behind it. Sometimes they are trying to remind people that the laws have limits to protect us!

Think about this: Did you know under a few child porn laws that medical photographs of children dealing with medical issues could get doctors sent to prison?

Sure. Sounds silly until you find yourself in jail because someone uses an obscure law against you...

I think you will find that most of the posts here admit to Child avatar sex being creepy. Very. But law is not about what we find creepy. It's about what can be dealt with in a legal court, and not by mob justice.

Go back to the first quote I cited, before the flippant stuff you posted here.Your "knowing" attitude as expressed here is off the mark imo. I'm guessing Melissa is new to SL, is taken aback by the freaky stuff that goes on here, and is questioning where the hell she has found herself. People are indeed attacked for thinking its freaky, called intolerant and all. That's fine if SL is just a little niche spot for anonymous role playing. So, keeping on pushing out anyone who has yet to embrace the underbelly. SL's targeted market isn't any matter in my life. I'm just expressing my opinion of your style in dealing with others you judge to be intolerant and I think you are dismissive and ever so full of yourself, but I also know what my opinion is worth so you needn't bother telling me.

or as you would say,
kthxbye

Yes, but when you burst into a thread when we've already gone /over/ what you're shrieking about, it kind of makes you look like a dip.

(nothing better than someone who can't be bothered to learn about their chosen subject. *sigh*)

(For the record, yes, I /am/ a trifle tired of this subject and prone to getting irked by it, why do you ask?

So I should not put my opinons out if someone else already posted one I agree with?
I am not sure how the forums work for you guys but I thought forums in general are for posting your current opinion.
I don't know what someone said in the past but what I posted is what I was thinking at that moment in time.
I know it sounds dippy but oh well.

*makes mental note not to be seen hugging, cuddling or kissing any of my female friends since they are ALL Adult avvies but stand waist high*

P.S. There is a Huge Difference between Ageplay and Pedio
P.S.S. Some people are quick to assume
P.S.S.S. Chocolate chip cookies taste better in choclate milk.
P.S.S.S.S. Hi Mom!

I'll bite. Why do you hang about a place that's likely to irk you and cause you to get snippy?

Because I dislike ignorance. It's a failing.

No, but you should probably read back and think "oh hey, someone already showed that child av sex isn't illegal".

It makes the rest of your ranting a little less dead-horse abusing.

Wow, lots to cover.

Melissa, read the thread. Your points are covered. This behaviour is really quite rare in SL. Most of us have never seen it.

OP and the rest:

Not one of you has touched the point of how this is different from ageplay in RL and whether or not THAT should be illegal.
Not one.

I wonder why that is.

Also, this is NOTHING like racism. Here's why.

Think of SL like a big bar or nightclub where anything goes, within the laws of the land. You gotta be of age to get in and the bar owners try their best, but once in, you can do whatever you like.
Yes, there are going to be people that aren't of age that try to get in... and some will. When these get caught, they are chucked out.
Going in there and screaming racial epithets, wearing a Nazi costume... illegal and bannable.
Going in there, taking off your coat to reveal you're wearing a diaper and pacifier? Not so much.

and finally. If anything someone is doing on SL grosses you out, DON'T LOOK!
Surely there's something better for you to do than watch these people hook up.

Then again, judgement is fun, isn't it? Makes y'feel good about yerself.

Chasing people out does cleanse the neighborhood but it doesn't do much to dispel ignorance.

To be honest, I've never found your opinions to be 'dismissed'. As to dismissing the opinions of people who come into a conversation swinging and being intolarant?

Sorry. I'm not a zen master. I DO have opinions. I have not mastered the art of being tolarant of intorance, nor uncombative of ideas that propigate that defending someone means you're guilty of the crime as well.

What is the differance in my mind? Simple: Harm. Two guys pixel-slapping in costumes does not do the same level of harm as advocating that people who defend their right to pixel-slap are guily of some kind of moral crime.

Aye. perhaps my sarcasm and attitude were overly aggressive. Perhaps I should have tried to discuss the ideas of tolorance and legality with Melissa. Perhaps I should always be civil and never become irate when people cross my imaginary line.

That would be great.

Problem is, I do have my sore spots. I want people to get along, and me being tolarant of people attacking others has a proven track record in my life of NOT helping the situation. Only rarly does intelligent discussion fix problems. Mostly, it's a matter of explaining the ideas and having them scoffed at, while they play judge, jury and executioner if given the chance.

<shrugs> Dislike me for it if you will. I'm not going to attack you for that. That's anyone's right.

<nods> All right. Let's start over then. What country are you from, and what laws can you quote to us on the subject.

No, I'm not being sarcastic. If nothing else, just the country and then we can look up laws.

Now, as to legality, the truth is the servers are in the US, and thereby have to deal with US laws first and foremost. If laws dealing with this are local to use, this may leave you legally vulnerable if you run across it. Sadly, I'm not sure how that would go...

As to it being common? No. Such things in public places would lead to severe social stigmas and reactions. Nobody not looking for trouble would do it in public, thought griefers might try it to get a reaction.

Generally, I can say that even with all of the travelling I do about the grid, I have only rarly stumbled on avatars doing anything sexual. Nude, yes. But not sexual.

Duh; I'm not intolerant.
If your going to take the time to attack what you see as intolerance (I tend to see it as shock) you may as well spend the time in a manner that might effect some change and build some bridges is all I'm saying. I'm certainly no zen master, about all I know about zen is what I read in "Just Ask Jake" . Just speaking as someone who spends a lot of her time in a mainstream environment - my job is in a predominantly white male field - I've found that change and enlightenment happens slowly, but that it can happen. It's true; I am intolerant of your intolerance of intolerance. !!! I can't fit any more intolerances into that sentence and I've put off unplugging the drain in the basement long enough so have a good one, yada, yada, yada.

Ok melissa fair point but it doesnt neccessarily mean these people are doing it in real life. People explore stuff in SL they would normally never do in real life because quite simply they can here. They are free to express themselves. As i said though if your not looking for this stuff specificially you will be unlikely to accidentally run into it. Its not about children here at all its 2 consenting adults. I could see if this was an open grid for all ages to play but it isnt. Its supposed to be 18 and up and as such. Just dont get involved with it if you dont want to no one is forcing you.

Its not all over the place in fact most of the public sex community type things are up in the air and unless your specifically looking you wont find them. Even things for escorts are up in the air. You usually wont find public sex out in the open unless your looking for it like i said your safe to look around without worry. You can find it icky but you shouldnt try to change people in SL as they are adults and they freely choose to do this in the confines of SL.

Ok. You can shush now. I'm not banging the drum of anti-intolorance at the moment.

And you're right. Culture shock should be allowed to adapt. I will try and keep that in mind as I'm beating the heresy out of non-believers.

<Pulls out the white-hot branding irons>

Well Now. What shall we discuss now...

I'm afraid I'm grumpy and she got the brunt of it.

I apologise for my tone, Melissa, but I really do think that reading the thread would have stood you in better stead.

2 consenting adults in a private sexual act is called "privacy". Who cares how they are doing it as long as they are doing it privately. They are both adults so it voids the reasoning of the girl being a child. I think there are more important issues than you being into voyeurism. Favorite quote on this matter "But who will save the children" the parents should save thier own children. Am I my brothers childrens keeper "No".

Let the parents police thier own children, besides the salam witch trials are over . "Let him who keeps his sins private cast the first match on those whos sins that are uncovered by unfortunate acts". I for one don't want to live in a fisher price world made for children, I much prefer a world made by adults made for adults.