Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2006 06:24
"How do you know it's an adult on the other end? You don't!".
Stop using that stupid arguement, k? Y'all don't know ANYONE is an adult, unless you know them in real life, and even then not always (Accidental statutory "rape" happens, believe it or not). It's an arguement that has jack-all-nothing to do with the ageplay debate, so do everyone a favor and just leave it home, k? It makes the arguement flow smoother, and you don't look so silly for bringing up false arguements.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Lina Pussycat
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08-06-2006 06:49
From: Foolish Frost Wow. I just start a thread about people's inability to get along in SL, and here is a large flaming pile of proof dumped right in the middle of General Topics! Just... Wow... We arn't even talking about ageplayer's vs. the 'think of the children' quads, either. We're talking about the 'it's not illegal, so it's not stoppable' vs. the 'OMG! EXECUTE THEM FOR BEING PERVY' quads... It's absofrigging amazing. Let me point out something to both sides: The basic truth here is this: It's not illegal. It can't be prosicuted. It can only be persicuted. If any of you think it's all right to persicute people for things that arn't illegal, I'm sure a lot of people will love to follow the lines you set down and do the same to you for whatever transgressions the can find. Trust me. To someone else, you are just as guilty of something as the people you think are guilty. It's a given. As to ageplay. I've played a child before. Role played it, actually. Sick huh? I'm a game-master for several RPGs and writer of fiction. Get over it. Period. As to child/avatar sex? Well, aye. it's kind of 'off' to me. I also can be sure that I would rather them playing it in SL than in RL. Can I be sure that they won't move on to something more real? Nope. I can't even be sure they would be capable of something like that. I played dozens of shooter games, and I have never attacked ANYONE with a shotgun in RL. Mind you, I have considered shooting people. Daily. Usually when I take a tech support call. Mostly shooting myself, to make it stop. Annnyway. everyone can rant and rave, but the points are made, the facts are bare, and neither of you are convincing anyone from either side. Phedre Aquitaine, I tip a hat to you and invite you over to my thread at /108/14/127289/1.htmlAnd if you want to continue the fight, please upgrade from words to sticks, rocks, and spears. I want to see blood if this is supposed to be entertaining.... Problem is foolish sadly =/ People take it as being the people in real life alot of the time. Age players doing sexual things may be wrong in some people's eyes but its a choice that two people that are assumed to be adults and over 18 have made. Regardless of legality or whatever its their choice. I let people live how they want and if i dont want to be involved in what they do i stay out of what they do. I find it so appalling how judgemental man is of one another. What i say to the people you describe really is let people live their lives. You can have your opinion about someone but you shouldnt try to change that person. So much baseless name calling and other rants about people being stupid or un educated or ignorant are just so callous towards your fellow human beings. Sadly i think the way you and i think is long for this era in time =/. I been a game master to oddly enough  . Simply put people need to stop prying in general. I for one would like to see people be nicer to one another but it likely wont happen. I form my opinions on things without attacking anyone as there is no need for it. I dont actually know the person so i wouldnt dare even attempt to personally attack them. Sadly people do it in real life to form an opinion on someone based off conjecture without actually knowing the person. You miss out meeting alot of really nice and cool people =/.
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Melissa MacKay
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08-06-2006 07:07
Does anyone realize that digital child porn is also illegal? Or am I wrong about that. I would like to see who says it's not. That should say something about them.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2006 07:12
From: Melissa MacKay Does anyone realize that digital child porn is also illegal? Or am I wrong about that. I would like to see who says it's not. That should say something about them. It's not, actually. Try reading the thread. Under US law (The only relevent law as the servers are US based), "fake" child porn is only illegal if it is "indistinguishable" from the real thing.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Melissa MacKay
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08-06-2006 07:16
From: Reitsuki Kojima It's not, actually. Try reading the thread. Under US law (The only relevent law as the servers are US based), "fake" child porn is only illegal if it is "indistinguishable" from the real thing. I don't know what country you guys live in but in mine it's illegal. And here I learn this second life thing could send me illegal stuff.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2006 07:19
From: Melissa MacKay I don't know what country you guys live in but in mine it's illegal. And here I learn this second life thing could send me illegal stuff. US law, as I said. And did you know this "internet" thing could send you illegal stuff too?
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Melissa MacKay
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08-06-2006 07:21
From: Reitsuki Kojima US law, as I said.
And did you know this "internet" thing could send you illegal stuff too? Yes I did but not while I browse around. I have some control over it. But in this game I can just see this stuff out of nowhere?
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Foolish Frost
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08-06-2006 07:23
From: Melissa MacKay Does anyone realize that digital child porn is also illegal? Or am I wrong about that. I would like to see who says it's not. That should say something about them. Reeeeealy? Soooo... As to the tone you used when making your statement? <snort> Everything someone says is a statement about them. For example: does the fact that this has been covered in detail in this thread say that you have trouble with reading long threads, but none posting in them with incomplete information? Let's get the facts straight: Child porn is illegal. (and immoral in current social vews, generally speaking) Digitaly recorded child porn is considered the same. Obviously FICTIONAL porn dealing with children (3d fakery, text, etc...) is NOT illegal. Morality is debatable. So, while your statement is PARTIALLY true, it's also missing critical information. Please read the ENTIRE thread before posting, as this has not only been covered, but has been autopsied, given a funeral, and buried. Not to mention dug up, taken to a dance, and then diced and force fed to every single resident of the forums until they have learned to despise those that mention it. 'Kay? Bye now!
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Melissa MacKay
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08-06-2006 07:27
From: Foolish Frost Reeeeealy?
Soooo... As to the tone you used when making your statement? <snort> Everything someone says is a statement about them. For example: does the fact that this has been covered in detail in this thread say that you have trouble with reading long threads, but none posting in them with incomplete information?
Let's get the facts straight:
Child porn is illegal. (and immoral in current social vews, generally speaking) Digitaly recorded child porn is considered the same. Obviously FICTIONAL porn dealing with children (3d fakery, text, etc...) is NOT illegal. Morality is debatable.
So, while your statement is PARTIALLY true, it's also missing critical information. Please read the ENTIRE thread before posting, as this has not only been covered, but has been autopsied, given a funeral, and buried. Not to mention dug up, taken to a dance, and then diced and force fed to every single resident of the forums until they have learned to despise those that mention it.
'Kay? Bye now! That's like asking me to read and understand the entire bible before I have an opinion on God. I wil be less informed on other peoples view but I still have my opinion.
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Foolish Frost
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08-06-2006 07:30
From: Melissa MacKay That's like asking me to read and understand the entire bible before I have an opinion on God. <raised eyebrow> No. It's like asking you ro read the entire bible before you start discussing the BIBLE. And thanks. Glad to see instead of reading it, you are just here posting without any idea what's going on. You may continue, as it should be highly entertaining.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2006 07:31
From: Melissa MacKay Yes I did but not while I browse around. Familiar with popups? Ads? Spyware? Virii? This has actually happened before. From: Melissa MacKay I have some control over it. Not without going out of your way to have said control, actually. From: Melissa MacKay But in this game I can just see this stuff out of nowhere? Have you had an ageplay sex scene just teleport into your living room? No?
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Melissa MacKay
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08-06-2006 07:31
I just find it disturbing that I could see this while walking around in this game. On the internet if I don't want to see something then I don't see it. I have control over that.
Whats more disturbing is how many of you defend it. I didn't expect so many to be that way.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2006 07:36
From: Melissa MacKay I just find it disturbing that I could see this while walking around in this game. Unless you go snooping into closed spaces, the odds of finding something like this are minute, at best. I've been playing for years and never run across anything like this. From: Melissa MacKay On the internet if I don't want to see something then I don't see it. I have control over that. Do you really? I consider myself a very profecient computer user, not an IE-baby. I still see ads for crap I don't want to see. Not as many as I would be otherwise, but they are developing new tricks by the day.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Margaret Mfume
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08-06-2006 07:38
From: Melissa MacKay Yes I did but not while I browse around. I have some control over it. But in this game I can just see this stuff out of nowhere? That's rooted in the belief that privacy exists in SL. The only thing that is somewhat private is anonymity of the participants. I think the confusion lies in calling server space land. People tend to think of it the way they do their RL home; that is, what they do behind closed doors,... . Whereas the reality of it is, inner thoughts are being expressed in a public venue with no or little control of who is observing or being inadvertantly exposed to it. Which is why the anonymity thing is so dearly defended.
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Melissa MacKay
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08-06-2006 07:38
From: Reitsuki Kojima Familiar with popups? Ads? Spyware? Virii? This has actually happened before.
Not without going out of your way to have said control, actually.
Have you had an ageplay sex scene just teleport into your living room?
No? I have the ability to block most of that like everyone else. In this game I do not. Your telling me that if I google for a site thats about college and some classes I want to take then I will get one of those college porn sites just appear on my screen without asking? I have never had that happen. But from what I can see in this place it can.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2006 07:42
From: Melissa MacKay I have the ability to block most of that like everyone else. In this game I do not.
Your telling me that if I google for a site thats about college and some classes I want to take then I will get one of those college porn sites just appear on my screen without asking? I have never had that happen.
But from what I can see in this place it can. Your shifting ... tense, or something, here. Yes, it can happen. It also CAN happen on the internet. It's never happened to you on the internet. I'm still waiting to hear if it has happened to you here.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Melissa MacKay
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08-06-2006 07:42
From: Reitsuki Kojima Do you really? I consider myself a very profecient computer user, not an IE-baby. I still see ads for crap I don't want to see. Not as many as I would be otherwise, but they are developing new tricks by the day.
That sounds like a personal problem hon. I am sorry if you get pop ups but I don't. Maybe its all the porn sites you visit. Dare I ask what kind?
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2006 07:44
From: Melissa MacKay That sounds like a personal problem hon. I am sorry if you get pop ups but I don't. Maybe its all the porn sites you visit. Dare I ask what kind? Did I say popups?
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Melissa MacKay
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08-06-2006 07:45
From: Reitsuki Kojima Your shifting ... tense, or something, here.
Yes, it can happen.
It also CAN happen on the internet.
It's never happened to you on the internet.
I'm still waiting to hear if it has happened to you here. I have not explored that much yet. But I am thinking I don't want to now.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2006 07:45
From: Melissa MacKay I have not explored that much yet. But I am thinking I don't want to now. Think of SL like the internet. Only explore as much as your comfortable. Google-crawl for a while, and you might be surprised what you see, even accidently.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Foolish Frost
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08-06-2006 07:46
From: Reitsuki Kojima Unless you go snooping into closed spaces, the odds of finding something like this are minute, at best. I've been playing for years and never run across anything like this.
Do you really? I consider myself a very profecient computer user, not an IE-baby. I still see ads for crap I don't want to see. Not as many as I would be otherwise, but they are developing new tricks by the day. You DO know you're dealing with an avatar created just a few days back, has never had an opinion on anything, and walks into this just to pick a fight? With inflammitory statements? And has never posted anywhere else? Considering the statements made are also specificly gauged to ignore and attack anything that opposed this person, I have to think it's just a play for personal attention. We should throw this one back. It's just not ready.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2006 07:48
From: Foolish Frost You DO know you're dealing with an avatar created just a few days back, has never had an opinion on anything, and walks into this just to pick a fight? With inflammitory statements? And has never posted anywhere else?
Considering the statements made are also specificly gauged to ignore and attack anything that opposed this person, I have to think it's just a play for personal attention.
We should throw this one back. It's just not ready. Eh, I've been away for a while and I'm bored 
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Chloe Lowell
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08-06-2006 07:48
From: Richie Waves DROP FUCKING DEAD!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE FUCKING PERVERTS AND IN MY OPINION NOT WELCOME IN OUR COMMUNITY!! I was reading this thread, then came to your post and WISH there was some way of reporting YOU. This kind of behaviour is completely inapropriate, roleplaying child sex issues aside, if people are going to be stopped, lets start with your posting rights. *goes back to reading the thread hoping to find a report button one day*
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Foolish Frost
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08-06-2006 07:49
From: Reitsuki Kojima Eh, I've been away for a while and I'm bored  Ok. Your choice! From: Melissa MacKay I have not explored that much yet. But I am thinking I don't want to now. Please allow me to introduce you to, "The World" It's a big wide place, and I think you should go there! Please mind the door on the way out, as I certainly would not want it to hit you in the rear. <waves> Can this die now?
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Melissa MacKay
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08-06-2006 07:49
From: Foolish Frost You DO know you're dealing with an avatar created just a few days back, has never had an opinion on anything, and walks into this just to pick a fight? With inflammitory statements? And has never posted anywhere else?
Considering the statements made are also specificly gauged to ignore and attack anything that opposed this person, I have to think it's just a play for personal attention.
We should throw this one back. It's just not ready. Well I'm sorry but that subject kind of stuck out on those forums. And the subject matter angers me. More so that people defend it.
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