ok, your av vs. your gender

Sorry for my horrible english…Maybe you should know yours is not the world’s native language but – if this is the result – i guess i could write in latin or ancient greek (or in french, spanish, german): none so deaf as those that won’t hear.
Where are the insults, Marla? the “culture’s frailty”? the “D/s obsession”? the “childish fear”? the gender shifting in “macho yankees”? These are not insults, Marla, these are opinions (if you know what the word means), questionable opinions . Not denigrations but just a different point of view. Intolerance and arrogance have no room in my culture. If you are feeling degraded by criticism its your problem, not mine.
To speak clearly, I find a lèse-majesté (high treason) in you and Lorelei. Rashness and “dude wtf” won’t do you any good. Where is in my post the “kowtow to social norms”??? Where is that “being gay is a mental illness”??? Where the “anti-feminist” tripe??? And where I “don’t seem to find any room for people who want to play around with gender in SL”??? Is there a bug in the forum? Or maybe a bug elsewhere….
I ve been fighting against the kowtow to social norms since 1968. And yes, Kerouac, Corso, Ginsberg were in my bookcase.
The loss of male identity (a good thing, Lorelei, a very good thing) is the clash, the conflict between traditional male education and women’s new rights and behaviour. The “output” is - imho – also an obvious (that means understandable) quest for a shelter in gor, D/s and weapons. A quest for identity in power and property. Not my fault if most of gor and so called “masters” is yankee. It’s a matter of percentage not of prejudice. IRL too. And yes – this is a culture’s frailty, this is a culture’s decay. I suppose I have (still) the right to write it. I will not reply, anyhow.

AGREED,EXCELENT POST!

it is true,"free" women want freedom,is causing a clash between both sexes,sadly true.
now:
dont most males like someone who will make them feel like a nice shining happy star,or someone who argues all day "BUT I WANT TO DO THIS and @#$@##$"
its not a sweet candy,but its the evolution that the society stefano is reffering to is leading to,a women outside it wants to go into it "to be completly free" and men come out of it searching for submissive people,both parties are making the human being unpure instead of getting to terms

I am utterly amazed that you can put those two sentences next to each other.

But you failed to see my point. Your denegrations and bigotry only did damage to your own self, not to others.

I am male in RL.

I had a female alt for a while.

It was interesting to see the different way that other avatars react to the female AV. Guys (or at least male AVs) will give things to a female AV freely. In one three hours I recieved about 5 gifts from guys, ranging from a gun to a dress. (A very nice dress he had made, in fact.)

Also I had one guy chase after and shoot a griefer who had caged me. Chivalry is not dead.

I have never had a guy offer a gift to my male AV, except for guys I have known for a while.

No I didn't have sex with anyone.

It was a fun social experiment. I cancelled the account.

Why do I think Stefano is your alt?

Trying to make sense of this post could drive me crazy. ... What???

I have a female shape. My sl sister's shape to be exact - and no its not being handed out. I use it or switch to female to make a few jokes, and I usually don't change my skin..

Never had a female alt, and don't desire too.

The only issue I'd have if my sl gf was a guy? That they weren't honest up front. A female character is a female character, and its all rp anyway.

Stefano I would actually have to disagree with you here. There are certain things that are hardwired into us as human. And they are even more differentiated by the sexes. A male will honestly think differently than a woman will. This is not trampled over by the fact a woman would like to, or even have the need to support.

I think you are possibly making a mistake of only looking at one aspect instead of the multitude of sides that make up a behavior response in males and females :/


I would like to point out, it is not the women's natural right to not have the shit beat out of her or taken advantage of that is breaking down any culture....

It is narcissism at its worse and the break down of the family unit.. /shrug

Uh-huh. And an opinion can never be insulting, I suppose. So, if merely for example, my opinion is that you're a moron who cannot communicate a simple thought (just for example), that's not an insult. It's just an opinion and there's no need for offense. Cool.



My favorite part of the post. SWEET! I'm treasonous!



I'd say it's elsewhere.



If you see it as a good thing, you made no mention of it in your original post.

Furthermore, D/s is hardly a modern invention. The venerable Marquis de Sade comes to mind, as do some Victorian writings. This has been around quite a while.



Dude, wtf? Yankee? Most of SL is American, first off. So yeah, most of just about any group in SL would likely be American by extension. But in Gor, there are plenty of people from other places. Off the top of my head, I know of Goreans from Scotland, Germany (more than a few), Canada, France and New Zealand.

Looking forward to your non-reply.

nobody said to "have the shit beat out of her"-theres no family if at night they all have sex with different partners and not their real ones-and piss off each others on a daily basis

that is why families are having trouble nowadays.everyone follows a different road,and then they are surprised "how this get into this" but its too late for those,id better live with separate parents than to be into such enviroment

D/s might not be a modern invention,but it is being used and used more for the reasons already stated

Are you sure? Where's your research to back that up?

ETA:

Furthermore, you've done nothing to explain why a good number of men involved in D/s seek to be dominated, rather than to dominate. Or care to take on switch behavior, for that matter? (Switch=people who enjoy both roles). Or people who see this only as an aspect of their sex-lives, as play, rather than as a lifestyle.

I wouldn't deny that societal roles and norms may have a lot to do with D/s play. But I hardly think it's as simple and straightforward a thing as you suggest.

Well that is a moral issue that is relevant to both males and females. And not the majority of people choose multiple partners, sorry but I truly doubt that. But that is not a "right" issue.

When you say everyone follows a different road without the forethought of others you are spelling out narcissism..
I'll even provide a little info on the subject.


This was obtained at:
http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/narcissism?utm_term=narcissism&utm_medium=mw&utm_campaign=article
Excessive preoccupation with self and lack of empathy for others.

Narcissism is the personality trait that features an exaggerated sense of the person's own importance and abilities. People with this trait believe themselves to be uniquely gifted and commonly engage in fantasies of fabulous success, power, or fame. Arrogant and egotistical, narcissistics are often snobs, defining themselves by their ability to associate with (or purchase the services of) the "best" people. They expect special treatment and concessions from others. Paradoxically, these individuals are generally insecure and have low self-esteem. They require considerable admiration from others and find it difficult to cope with criticism. Adversity or criticism may cause the narcissistic person to either counterattack in anger or withdraw socially. Because narcissistic individuals cannot cope with setbacks or failure, they often avoid risks and situations in which defeat is a possibility.

The loss of male identity is a bad thing, a very bad thing. Males and females are hardwired differently..to try and teach students with only one philosophy is harmful.


Another epidemic is abuse and rape reports. Theres simply a double standard. Men are expected to be the abuser or rapist and able to protect themselves. A woman cries rape, and even if there is no evidence and the case is dropped..hes forever branded a rapist by the media and the public. He can lose his job over one disgruntled lover.

On the other hand, men are laughed at if they claim to have been raped or abused. Especially if they are bigger. I would never hit a woman in anger in rl - even if she hit me first. Its how I was raised.

Trust me, I know first hand the double standard.

Not all males are wired the same, nor are all females.

And power play isn't necessarily sexual.

I wouldn't say that, it is possibly more prevalent here in Second Life only because the person feels protected and is simply curious where as in the real world they would never try such a thing.

And it is not an american thing. Where ever you find people you will find people interested in such a thing. But of course, it will never be the "norm" as it is here on Second Life.

Only proving my point further. One method of instruction does more harm than good.



Me and my fiance are in a Master/slave relationship. It is her role to serve me, and mine to nurture her and help her express herself fully.

Be wary of a trap here. While it is true that the 'average' male and the 'average' female have different world views and visualizations (men are from Mars, women are from Venus), it's not necessarily true for any two randomly chosen individuals from those two categories. There is a huge overlap here. View it as two bell curves that are offset from each other. And some people are capable of encompasing in themselves more than one world view.

Good points, but I have the veiwpoint that we need both the male and female 'wiring' as a culture. As Bahaullah (founder of Bahai, an islamic offshoot) said (paraphrased):

"Mankind is a bird with two wings, male and female. Without one or the other, we fail and fall to the ground."

Ok, I am not sure what you meant by quoting me than puting the second paragraph under my quote.

Ahh, very very good point.

Of course, or the species would die out.

You were responding to something about D/s, I was adding to it. In retrospect I can see how it could be confusing.

I just wanted to make sure, because in no way was I belittiling the D/s scene or what not.

Now that I am thinking on things I am against, I would like to point out I am most definitely against brussel sprouts.. they stink!