2nd Citizen owner forces forum member to take avatar chosen by other members

why do I care what Stratics does? I have no intention of ever joining it. And for me, personally, no --poster names are not sufficient --though I'm willing to cop to it being a matter of personal preference on my part. It makes reading forums easier for me. Is that so hard to grok?

Prokofy uses a raven? /corvus corax/? *keeens*

I am astonished at the loathing I feel for a subset of the forums population.

Actually it is rather difficult to grasp, both parts of your statement.

Do you have the attention span of a...... ooooh look something shiny.

Lewis

No, Lewis -- I'm dyslexic. But thanks for being Christian in your attitudes.

Pretty good way to advertise your alternative - starting arguments with folks those preferences/tastes/whatever are different than yours.

Pretty much every time an opinion doesn't align with yours, you imply the poster must be stupid or something.... Great PR strategy.

scratch that one of 'lists of forums to visit'

... and how was I supposed to know that?

Nice dig at my faith, which was totally irrelevant and had never come up in discussion. I give you 3½ out of 5 for trolling attempt.

Lewis

WATER! *coughcoughcoughcoughcoughcough*

You were supposed to treat Kendra with the respect that she is due as a child of God, regardless of not knowing that she was dyslexic.

You just failed the Christianity Taste Test.

Stop twisting my words.

What am I supposed to do, hide behind an alt and just troll like everyone else does, or be free to share my opinions regardless of how people will misrepresent me to further their own agenda?

Lewis

How did I twist your words? How is someone expressing an opinion 'trolling' You are sharing your opinions, sure, but so are the other folks.

Or is that it - when you do it its sharing an opinion, when others do it its trolling or misreprenting you?

For instance - one person states their criteria for forums they post in - another states they like forum avatars as it helps them scan through posts..

And whammo - your all over them like fur on a weasle.. all up but calling them idiots.

Hell you all but say Kendra is an idiot in response to her saying she doesn't care what stratics does because she won't be going there.

I'm not twisting words - what I'm saying is as a PR person - you utterly suck.

I don't mean that in a mean way - its just how I see it - if you represent the forums you want people to go to, you're coming over as narrow minded and extremely judgemental..

That simple.

It should have been enough when I told you it was easier for me to scan forums when an avatar is present. What the hell business is of your's to place JUDGEMENT on my preference? But no --you had to use my declaration of preference as a base for a rather lame ad-hominem. Good on ya!

But there you are with yet more judgement on my post -- I thought you folks didn't do that whole judgement thang.

It's an avatar.
Jesus.
Shut up.

Well, that's one way to look at it.

Another is that it's not about an avatar. It's about a forum moderator changing a person's profile against their consent. And it's about that being done in a place that seems to have touted itself as a haven of freedom.

It's all in good fun, to have an avatar is such a minor thing.
For all we care it can be a pile of sh*t.

It's not that it's just an avatar, I guess. It's being pressured into doing something you just don't feel like doing that is irritating.

I didn't cave in to fit along with the popular kids in high school, and I don't want to do it now. So I won't be posting there.

Now, why Prok feels the need to be there? That's one I can't answer.

at least I can respect your answer, Lorelei.

Since it's all in good fun, isn't it also such a minor thing not to have an avatar?

Seriously? I'm not trying to get in a fight. I'm just wondering what's the big deal if someone has no avatar selected?

Hey Sans, thanks for the excellent analogy. As usual, you are an island of sanity in a sea of chaos.

No, thats not true Coco. Both rules, the 'get an avatar' and the anti-spam are what you call unwritten rules. They are posted anywhere. To say that one is not a rule and the other is is think you can pick and choose which things you think ought to be rules. Either they are both rules, or there are no rules whatsoever. Obviously, since one can be permabanned for spamming, there is a rule against spamming -- written or not. Obviously, since one will be given an avatar if they do not choose one for themselves, getting an avatar is a rule.

I could further state that these are rules by talking about how the powers that be are now making a TOS box that you get at registration informing you about said rules. But lets not go there.

Lets forget all this stuff about rules. Becuase we can argue all day about whether unwritten rules are really rules and we wouldn't get anywhere other than frustrated.

The owner of the boards has made two REQUESTS. The first is that you do not spam. The second is that you get an avatar. You are a guest on that board. You do nothing to contribute to its creation or upkeep. The polite thing to do is to either acquiesce to these requests or to go elsewhere.

Obviously the owner got a little pissed off when someone not only rudely refused while inflicting his presence on the rest of us but DARED the owner to do something about it. So the owner did.

Yet the only problem you have, above and beyond calling me a liar which I most emphatically am not, is that the owner did something. Your precious Prokofy can be as rude as he likes -- hell he's even inspired you to rudeness now -- and you think that's perfectly fine.

Anyway don't make things out to be something they aren't mmkay? Makes you look stupid.

I personally don't care about who does and doesn't have an avatar.
I just think it's dumb to make a huge deal out of it.
I also think it should be handeled there and not everywhere. Let the forum admins and Prokofy deal with it themselves.

Yeah, I don't care about avatars either. But the idea of some folks wanting someone to have one so badly they forced it upon him is kind of yucky to me. Unfortunately, it does affect my decision about which forums to visit after these close. Not that that's likely to matter to anyone. I'm mostly a lurker.

I'm with you Kalia. Where is the beating a dead horse smiley? Oh, it's at Second Citizen.

You may have a point there. Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing the anti-spam rule written down anywhere, either.

However, I will say that the anti-spam rule was known and well understood. If someone posted "Get a Free I-Pod Here" it was dealt with immediately.

That is entirely different from the fun thing of demanding an avatar. I have been on been on the SC forums from its inception, and you have not. My impression of it has always been that the no-spam rule was indeed a rule, but the avatar thing was a joke that developed over time ("Get an avatar or Gabe will kill you!".

Moreover, Vivianne, you are a Jinny-come-lately to those forums, yet you dare to lecture me in one post after another about how "rude" I am, and so forth. (Not to mention your tiresome Prok references.)

Since the beginning, I have worked to publicize those forums and help them grow. Ask Alex/FIC. He knows, and he's honest enough to tell you that is true. So don't you lecture me about being rude or anything else.

The simple fact of the matter was it was horrible to use forum powers to enforce a disgusting avatar on a poster, and what is going on now - aided and abetted by you - is an attempt to paint it as someone refusing to go along with the rules, which was absolutely NOT the case.

Again, I give you something of a pass because you were not there from the beginning, and you may indeed feel this is how it all went down.

coco

I think there is just a bit of college mentality going on at 2nd Citizen's site... maybe complete without a bit of hazing. It is like kids that experience thier first bite of true adult freedom. So yeah, there is some acting out going on over there.

Me personally, there are a lot of people there who I have come to appreciate. I am going to wait for awhile and see what I think. I am hopeful that things will be different but interesting. I can always choose not to read it if I hate it.