The Chosen Ones Have Been Announced

Likewise - I started with 32m.

thats right - a couple of 16 x 16 blocks.

You may be able to 'buy your way in' to SL but that doesn't mean success - you still need vision, hard work, and determination...

and even then its not guarranteed.

I'd invite folks to come to WaterWorks Island and look for camping chairs - sex balls - and the ilk -- they're not there... just beach and pool related things me and my friends have made - and an environment for people to get together, chill, and relax.

Even my original store - WaterWorks Gallinas offered the same thing, and still did very well in visitations - environment - and sales.

And it was created in December 2005... how is that possible? From working hard at it and having a place that people decided they wanted to go to.

LIFE is not fair. Why do you expect fairness in SecondLife?


SecondLife is about as far from "Fair" as is imaginable.

Some don't pay... some pay bunches.

Some don't contribute... others selflessly contribute tremendously.

Some people are profitable... others pay out of pocket.

Some are recognized for their talents... and other talents aren't.


Yes, certainly, it would be NICE if it were more fair...
but expecting fairness will only lead to unending disappointment.

Most especially when you (should) know darned well that a concensus on "fairness" is so utterly unlikely that there probably never will be
agreement on it.

What about those for whom profit is not important any further than covering tier costs, if that, and not being able to put in 10-15 hours a day?

Success mostly seems to be based on land size and traffic - not necessarily the quality or originality of what is provided on that land.

Lewis

OK...

I've observed that talent and hard work get you a hell of a lot farther (and a lot more consistantly, and for a longer period of time) than dumping money into a sim and gaming everything as hard as you can to try and make a return on your investment.

Experience: I dropped by the Nerd Emporium to see maybe why you aren't getting the traffic or the attention.



Instead of "I have classifieds, I pay for parcel listings, yet people don't come, because there's no free money giveaways or sex", maybe you should look to the fact that you have a virtually empty store? Seriously, you have ten items scattered around in a huge store with no rhyme or reason to the products, the placement, or why someone should stop there. And honestly the hubris involved in setting a picture of yourself for sale for $L10,000, even as a joke, would kind of turn me off if I was a random customer.

Let's look at someone like Jamie Marlowe, who runs Mischief Designs. That woman CRANKS out product. Same with Six Kennedy. They invest hours upon hours on their craft. No one's going to give you something for nothing, and not to be completely cruel, but after looking at your store, I can't see why anyone would go out of their way to shop there.

No one ever got anywhere by placing blame on everyone and everything else as the reason they don't succeed. Try investing some more time and effort into what you want to do instead of casting about for reasons that the deck is stacked against you.

I dont know Salzar very well but as far as I know he is not here to make millions and he does a lot of projects to build community and make SL more of a 'place' if you know what i mean. Im THRILLED hes on the comittee. Same with some of the other individuals. If you dont know them how do you know they will make bad choices? you make no sense!

Btw - Traffic bonus ended 2 days ago.

Traffic is still good as it gives you a rough figure to see how well used your site was... and higher traffic still puts you up the find list.

I don't see that as a problem either.. is it 'fixed' that the folks down the bottom will never get any?

No, I don't think so - I built up my place in gallinas from nothing to ok through work.

Then started from scratch with WaterWorks Island... and again - for a place just over a month old it's doing ok.

Again - no gimmicks, chairs, balls, givaways, tringo, just what I wanted to offer - and I guess I'm blessed in that what I wanted to offer was what some people in SL were looking for.

Yes, Cristiano, I would have declined. Of course I would have declined! Because the process is wrong.

I do understand that you don't see this as unfair and injust, whereas I do. Nonetheless, I haven't marginalized you by saying, "Oh, it's just the same few people kissing LL ass again." (And would not.)

Life is not fair; not everyone is the same; not everyone has the same opportunity available to them.

Those are truisms which have no relevance to situations such as this - which involve picking and choosing certain residents to give special perks, privileges and opportunities to.

That is making sure that second life is unfair; making sure that not everyone has the same opportunities (key word - opportunity) available to them.

Those truisms are irrelevant because no one is making LL follow a policy of doling out perks, privileges, and opportunities to those they decide to choose out of the entire population. They are doing that by choice, and unnecessarily.

You don't take an injustice that can be easily rectified and answer it with, "Life isn't fair," otherwise we would have gotten nowhere, and people would still be riding on the back of the bus or making less money for the same job as the other person.

This situation is almost equivalent to making less money for the same job as the other person.

We are all paying the same amount of money for the service, yet some residents are getting much more value out of it, and by LL whim. And not by some equal opportunity, such as a contest, or even just applying for consideration.

coco

OK...

I've observed that talent and hard work get you a hell of a lot farther (and a lot more consistantly, and for a longer period of time) than dumping money into a sim and gaming everything as hard as you can to try and make a return on your investment.

Experience: I dropped by the Nerd Emporium to see maybe why you aren't getting the traffic or the attention. Instead of "I have classifieds, I pay for parcel listings, yet people don't come, because there's no free money giveaways or sex", maybe you should look to the fact that you have a virtually empty store? Seriously, you have ten items scattered around in a huge store with no rhyme or reason to the products, the placement, or why someone should stop there. And honestly the hubris involved in setting a picture of yourself for sale for $L10,000, even as a joke, would kind of turn me off if I was a random customer.

Let's look at someone like Jamie Marlowe, who runs Mischief Designs. That woman CRANKS out product. Same with Six Kennedy. They invest hours upon hours on their craft. No one's going to give you something for nothing, and not to be completely cruel, but after looking at your store, I can't see why anyone would go out of their way to shop there.

No one ever got anywhere by placing blame on everyone and everything else as the reason they don't succeed. Try investing some more time and effort into what you want to do instead of casting about for reasons the deck is stacked against you.

My next paragraph addressed that. Whatever you deem to be success in SL is achievable. But it's not going to be handed to you free. Perhaps you need to rethink your ideas about success in terms of what you're willing to commit to getting it.

That's as untrue in SL as it is in RL. All it takes to be succesful is talent, drive and smart business sense. I would even strike talent from that list. Sometimes it just takes a good idea.

Don't you get that every time you label people FIC, you are doing exactly that. You aren't above name calling, you do it all the time. Even by labelling this entire thing the "Chosen Ones", you set a negative tone about this group of people. The whole FIC thing is not a compliment, it is a slur, and you damn well know it. It implies that people did not get their success by hard work, but by inside connections, perks, and unfair advantage. So do not fool yourself into thinking you aren't doing the exact same thing.

As far as not matching an unfair situation with a response of life is unfair, in this case it is valid on two levels. One, I don't find this situation unfair - I would not find it unfair if they had chosen you, Lewis, Prokofy, or the man on the moon. LL can choose whoever they want, it is their perogative. We are not all guaranteed access to every opportunity, that is just silly. Additionally, not all things are fair, it is part of life. I choose my battles, and this is definitely not one to be wasting any time on.

Actually no - we are not all paying the same amount for the service.

For instance - Ansche Chung pays more than I do.

I probably pay more than you do.


We all have the same opportunities and tools to further ourselves. I certainly didn't get any Linden perks to bolster my biz - but at the moment I do have access to a concierge... thats the only perk - and its not a perk - its a service given due to my owning a grip of land.

Either way it certainly doesn't have an impact on my biz, or on who LL chose to go chat to.

thx 4 finally saying that cory edo every1 has wanted 2 4 ever

U RAWK GURL

This whole thing about jealousy and hard work and capitalism and blahblah is just a distraction. It's nothing to do with the simple issue that this is a basically flawed project, if it was ever designed to be any sort of information-gathering or empowerment exercise to do with residents at all, which it's been advertised as. As designed, the project absolutely cannot do what it says on the tin.

And if it's not supposed to be that... what's the point? And why is it geting promoted as such?

Lewis you have just once again clear and articulate manner proven that you of all people do NOT get it. Your above statment is the clear opposite as in diametrically opposed view to how LL sees it self and SL. I ask you kind sir that being the case and beleive me it is, why in the name of all that is holy would LL want to hear a lick from a man that clearly does NOT get either LL or SL as percieved by the company that owns it. It wouls be like GM wanting to have a guy on a marketing panel that things GM makes toilet bowls rather then cars.

I am going to pass along a peice of sage advise Lewis- tis better to be silent and thought a fool and open your mouth and remove all doubt. That said for god sakes man sit down and be quiet

Well, that's one basis for an alternative economy. But there are other, better, more realistic alternatives to capitalism, competition, and speculative and often-destructive valuation. Trouble is, it's a virtual world but no one really thinks beyond the "familiar". Which is why SL is full of carbon-copies of real life objects that people sing praises of - like ski chalets, plastic-looking big-hair and tits, and tired, tarnished bling. Or why there's even "land", "sky", and "water" in SL, and the resulting sense of "up" and "down", for example.

It's a nice effort, but like any first effort - it doesn't go far enough. But something will, eventually.

Way to prove my point AND miss it at the same time.

No. I have more than once explained that to me, FIC means people who the Lindens give special perks, privileges, and opportunities to. In addition, I would add it means those residents who the Lindens listen to, and include in decision making.

That is NO pejorative on the people they have chosen. It is not their fault. They have a right to feel flattered, as well as deserving. I touched on that earlier.

It is actually unfair to them. They have a right not to be selected for special treatment that other residents don't get, and will resent - and that includes some of their friends. As I said, watch and see how this plays out. It is no favor to the resident to be chosen for special perks, privileges, and opportunities.

It is not, and never has been, on my part, a slur on any individual residents. On some measures, I would qualify as FIC myself. But that is not something I want to be. I don't want special perks, privileges, and opportunities that others don't get. This new advisory committee is the very definition of the words, "feted inner core", right from the literal feting, wining, and dining, on down to the permanent inner core.

"Chosen Ones" - does that have a negative connotation? Yes, it certainly does.

But what are they? They ARE the Chosen Ones. It has a negative connotation because it is a negative thing.

You say:

"It implies that people did not get their success by hard work, but by inside connections, perks, and unfair advantage. So do not fool yourself into thinking you aren't doing the exact same thing."

It implies NO SUCH THING. As I've said time and time again, people receiving this beneficience and attention from LL are doubtless deserving of it. That's beside the point. The point is, so are many others. LL shouldn't be doling it out perks, privileges, and opportunities to a chosen few, however deserving those recipients may be.

coco

I hate it when we get to the point where people start picking on other people's work, even to the point of posting pictures and putting down a business. Lewis is in the middle of remodeling his store and introducing a new line.

coco

You just hate when someone has a fucking point that is opposed to yours

Then what value does the "term" FIC have?
If thier receiving perks isn't putting them ahead, what real difference does it make that they are recieving perks?

That IS paying the same amount for the service, Siggy.

The same charges for the same services apply to everyone. You may choose to pay more tier than I do, but I can choose to pay as much tier as you do, if I want to. We all pay the same amounts for the same services.

coco

Therein lies the problem Coco - your definition of the world and in this case the expression FIC is not doctrine. Fic has many implications and meaning and if you are going to invoke the term then use it wisely. Otherwise, you can expect similar results and treatment.

While you don't see FIC as being an offensive slur, many of us do and you *have* to at least see that. Whether you understand it or not is irrelevant. Wouldn't you call me on my bullshit for calling you a smacktard and then saying "oh its not an insult because to me a smacktard is a kewl person who does kewl things not its normal connotation"?

And I hate it when someone implies that the only reason I could possibly have good biz is by having sex balls, tringo games, camping chairs, or blatant favoritism.

I think Cory has a point - every time I see these threads its always someone elses fault, and the bottom line is it isn't.

There are many many many many examples that totally refute Lewis' 'sex balls gambling and camping chairs' statements.

It's pretty obvious you have no background in business. And somehow I doubt you could pay Anshe's tier.