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Jennyfur Peregrine
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06-14-2006 17:09
From: Cocoanut Cookie
I don't intend to marginalize said group of people who have worked hard to earn their perks.

I intend to criticize this way of doing things. It is my opinion that LL is wrong, wrong, wrong, to go about things this way. It's also my opinion that it is divisive, and harms ALL of us, including those chosen.


coco


Whether you intend to marginalize or not or intend to use FIC offensively - it is what you are doing and it is the perception of quite a few people who have responded to this thread expressing the same thing.
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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06-14-2006 17:10
From: Enabran Templar
you know

this reminds me of something i was thinking the other day

what if you were born with really small... parts* attached to your body. would you worry over the size of everyone elses... parts? and try to compensate for your lack of... parts, would you try to impose some sort of harrison bergeron-esque regime of knife-edge exact equality upon everyone?

and would it make you feel better for you lack of... parts?







(* The author is referring to ears.)


zOMG Enabran wins the forums :D
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-14-2006 17:11
From: crucial Armitage
I am going to quote my self here for all of you who think this is about you or any one else or one particular group or anoter .

ITS NOT ABOUT YOU ME OR THE FUCKING HORSES YOU RODE IN ON ITS ABOUT LINDEN LABS WANTING TO MAKE THERE BUSNESS BETTER!!!!!!!!!

CAN'T ANY OF YOU SEEEEE THIS !!!!!!!!!!

I've heard you, Crucial, and I think you make as much or more sense as anything anybody has said in this thread.

I think that doing things like this, though, ultimately harms, rather than helps, their business.

coco
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Ordinal Malaprop
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06-14-2006 17:11
From: crucial Armitage

because they believe that these residents have knowledge insight or opinions that they think can make there business better ?

So nothing to do with residents then? A free yet pointless focus group? (If you pick your focus group yourself, you're wasting your time.)
Jillian Callahan
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06-14-2006 17:12
From: Cocoanut Cookie
I think that doing things like this, though, ultimately harms, rather than helps, their business.
Exactly in what way?
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Enabran Templar
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06-14-2006 17:12
From: Cocoanut Cookie
Cut it out, Surreal. Stop going personal.


surreal has a point. if i tell a blind dude, "hey blind dude, you can't tell me the color of this balloon. you obviously can't see it," it's not untrue just because the remark directly relates to his personal ability to see.

From: Cocoanut Cookie
And for all you know, I could buy and sell Anshe AND you.


oh man, that's so awesome

so glad the newbie house business is rollin'

From: someone
Understand that my eyes glaze over at economy talk. Understand also that I have never bought or sold Lindens.


oh wait
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crucial Armitage
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06-14-2006 17:12
From: pandastrong Fairplay
I haven't even read this thread, but I already disagree with Coco and Lewis.



LOL
you could of found a pic of pennys dated 2006 come on man get with it :p
Ordinal Malaprop
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06-14-2006 17:13
From: Jennyfur Peregrine
zOMG Enabran wins the forums :D

I've seen him do a lot better than that, he was phoning that one in. Sorry, mate.
Jillian Callahan
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06-14-2006 17:13
From: Ordinal Malaprop
So nothing to do with residents then? A free yet pointless focus group? (If you pick your focus group yourself, you're wasting your time.)
Well, I suppose a little self-delusion isn't exactly out of the realm of possibility.

(Still sticking to "silly PR thing" as it gives LL the benifit of the doubt.)
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Enabran Templar
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06-14-2006 17:14
From: pandastrong Fairplay
I haven't even read this thread, but I already disagree with Coco and Lewis.



i'm so glad you're back

this is the day the lord has made


i'm in the city at the end of the month, let's get a drink
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Nolan Nash
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06-14-2006 17:15
From: Ordinal Malaprop
So nothing to do with residents then? A free yet pointless focus group? (If you pick your focus group yourself, you're wasting your time.)

"So nothing to do with residents then? A free yet biased and worthless focus group? (If you pick your focus group yourself, you're wasting your time.)"

That was the way it read before you ninja edited it.

You think it's worthless, pre-emptively. You're writing it off before it's had a chance. I get that. But why?

Let's here the whys.
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pandastrong Fairplay
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06-14-2006 17:15
From: Enabran Templar
i'm so glad you're back

this is the day the lord has made


i'm in the city at the end of the month, let's get a drink


I don't drink anymore, but I'll bring some blow. ;)
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-14-2006 17:15
From: Jillian Callahan
Then calling folks "FIC" is insulting for the very reasons Cristiano offered.

To reiterate: This is how life is. I've yet to work in a business where this sort of favoratism hasn't existed.

The thing is, you seem to keep turing it into a reason for the success of those you viciously label "FIC". When the fact is, LL is reacting to thier sucess, pointing them out to the media, offering incentive to stay and continue being successful - as thier success is part and parcel to the success of SL and thus LL.

I agree that it is REACTING to their success in the beginning. But it BECOMES a reason for their FURTHER success. And that isn't a bad thing. But since it is such a powerful thing, it shouldn't be arbitrary and whimsical. This new advisory board is the epitome of unfair in that respect.

And I don't "viciously" do much of anything.

coco
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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06-14-2006 17:16
From: Ordinal Malaprop
I've seen him do a lot better than that, he was phoning that one in. Sorry, mate.


Yes, Enabran has had many great moments in the forums. Still this one cracked me up though.
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Enabran Templar
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06-14-2006 17:16
From: Ordinal Malaprop
I've seen him do a lot better than that, he was phoning that one in. Sorry, mate.


come on, yo

what do you want from enabran? i'm writing from the delta terminal at JFK -- you try coming up with something better while your flight is delayed :(
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Ordinal Malaprop
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06-14-2006 17:17
From: Jillian Callahan
Well, I suppose a little self-delusion isn't exactly out of the realm of possibility.

(Still sticking to "silly PR thing" as it gives LL the benifit of the doubt.)

That was one of the things I was thinking.

"Oh, we listen to residents, we REALLY DO"
"Uh, do we?"
"No! Yes! We do! Look, we'll, uh, get some of them in here!" *points at jet-lagged SLers staggering in through door* "Look! See! Residents! And we'll talk to them in conferences and stuff!"
"Sorry for ever doubting! Hail Philip!"

ahem
Jillian Callahan
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06-14-2006 17:18
From: Cocoanut Cookie
I agree that it is REACTING to their success in the beginning. But it BECOMES a reason for their FURTHER success. And that isn't a bad thing. But since it is such a powerful thing, it shouldn't be arbitrary and whimsical. This new advisory board is the epitome of unfair in that respect.

And I don't "viciously" do much of anything.

coco
Now you're saying that without those hand-outs they wouldn't remain successful? Good gravey, you may not do much viciously, but what you do viciously, Coco... you do it well and truly so.
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Nolan Nash
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06-14-2006 17:20
From: Ordinal Malaprop
That was one of the things I was thinking.

"Oh, we listen to residents, we REALLY DO"
"Uh, do we?"
"No! Yes! We do! Look, we'll, uh, get some of them in here!" *points at jet-lagged SLers staggering in through door* "Look! See! Residents! And we'll talk to them in conferences and stuff!"
"Sorry for ever doubting! Hail Philip!"

ahem

Oh, cynicism is such a powerful argument.
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Jopsy Pendragon
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06-14-2006 17:20
From: Ordinal Malaprop
If it's a question of LL wanting to motivate their staff then I'd be happy to send them happy emails for a few days, attaching good kitten pictures. Flying eight people across the continent to spend a few days in SF, when they won't even meet the majority of LL staff (or at least only for ten seconds, "hi this is GetsTheCoffee Linden, bye";) is not that at all. They could take their staff out for a really nice picnic or, hell, give them a raise. This is not about staff morale, no, I just can't buy that at all.


Kitten pics are nice... but no substitution for face to face. :) And a picnic is nice, but it's too removed from the day to day actual work. Slaving away for some faceless entry in a database somewhere gets rather old very quickly. It helps to connect in reality. (The rough treatment folks give each other in the forums seems to be evidence enough of that.)

Ultimately, I think I disagree with you on a matter of degree... you think that this will have no useful effect. It think it will have some effect. Probably less than they're hyping it up to be... but I still think it will be positive.

From: Ordinal Malaprop
And if it's not supposed to be that... what's the point? And why is it geting promoted as such?


Come on... You know the answer. Say it with me.

"Because it seemed like a good idea at the time!" :)
pandastrong Fairplay
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06-14-2006 17:21
From: Jillian Callahan
Now you're saying that without those hand-outs they wouldn't remain successful? Good gravey, you may not do much viciously, but what you do viciously, Coco... you do it well and truly so.


I have so missed Jillian Callahan aphorisms. :)
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-14-2006 17:22
From: Nolan Nash
Baloney.

The ringleader who coined the phrase intended it as a label for "fuck you hedonist, bolshevik, power grabbing, morally corrupted, blah, blah blah," individuals, who he thinks run SL. You call this person "brilliant", and openly agree with many of his sentiments. This person also uses a whole slew of profane and derogatory devices to "fight back", against the FIC, yet nary a peep out of you, yet you'll chastise the hell out of Jennyfur. It's really very telling and transparent Coco, that you will let loyalty interfere with principle, and apply your "morals" to those who you may disagree with, but not to those who you call friends.

Quit playing dumb Cocoanut.

Question. When you got summa cum laude in college, which you've told us about on these boards, did you get any special perks? Were you feted? Did it further your career? Does it look good on a resume? Was it fair to the other kids who were trying and delievering to the best of their ability?

Yes, well, I'm not him, and I haven't single-handedly kept the term "FIC" alive on these forums (in fact prior to this thread, I've been reluctant to use it, but hey, the forming of an official feted inner core calls for it).

And Nolan, I'm not going to NOT respond to Jennyfur calling me (or those with my viewpoint) names because someone else (not me) calls other people names. So forget that. I am my own person here.

Of course I "openly agree" with many of his sentiments. Just like I "openly disagree" with many of them.

I don't see how you are not getting it. The Summa Cum Laude was an opportunity for feting anyone could try for. The University didn't just pick out people they thought were pretty good and give them that award. That is what I am getting at.

coco

P.S. And by the way, all this is beside the point. The point is what Ordinal has said several times now. The chosen part of it is kind of secondary to the fact that LL actually thinks they are going to learn anything beneficial from a hand-picked group. If indeed learning is what they have in mind. And I don't think it is. I think it is more what Crucial said.
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Jillian Callahan
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06-14-2006 17:24
From: pandastrong Fairplay
I have so missed Jillian Callahan aphorisms. :)
Awww. :o

And I've missed your acerbic, picture-posting humor. I'm glad you're back!
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crucial Armitage
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06-14-2006 17:25
From: Ordinal Malaprop
So nothing to do with residents then? A free yet pointless focus group? (If you pick your focus group yourself, you're wasting your time.)


In my opinion it has nothing to do with residents in a general sense. it has to do with what Linden labs thinks these residents can contribute to Linden Labs and help make there (Linden Labs) business better in some way

so you see these veteran residents as having absolutely nothing of value that they can contribute to Linden Labs in Making there business a better one?

if I'm not mistaken it sounds like you think Linden Labs would be better having a dog and pony show then inviting residents they believe have knowledge that may make there business a better one ?
Enabran Templar
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06-14-2006 17:26
From: Jillian Callahan
Good gravey, you may not do much viciously, but what you do viciously, Coco... you do it well and truly so.


it's not viciousness

look

when you accept mediocrity as natural state of being, you assume everyone else has, too. this premise granted, of course you'll believe success is impossible without a nipple to slurp at. it would never occur to you that excellence and personal initiative could allow people to rise up and claim rewards. it never occurs to such people that well-connectedness and prosperity could come as the gifts of hard work, rather than as the pittances of some karmic lottery. you assume everyone else has spent their life either luckily falling upward or hopelessly falling downward, just like you have.

it would suck to think that way though :(
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-14-2006 17:28
From: Jennyfur Peregrine
Whether you intend to marginalize or not or intend to use FIC offensively - it is what you are doing and it is the perception of quite a few people who have responded to this thread expressing the same thing.

Well, then my apologies if anything I have said has been taken as a slur on residents (Never!!!) or any indictment of their talent.

coco
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