The Chosen Ones Have Been Announced

surreal has a point. if i tell a blind dude, "hey blind dude, you can't tell me the color of this balloon. you obviously can't see it," it's not untrue just because the remark directly relates to his personal ability to see.

oh man, that's so awesome

so glad the newbie house business is rollin'

oh wait

Yes, well, I'm not him, and I haven't single-handedly kept the term "FIC" alive on these forums (in fact prior to this thread, I've been reluctant to use it, but hey, the forming of an official feted inner core calls for it).

And Nolan, I'm not going to NOT respond to Jennyfur calling me (or those with my viewpoint) names because someone else (not me) calls other people names. So forget that. I am my own person here.

Of course I "openly agree" with many of his sentiments. Just like I "openly disagree" with many of them.

I don't see how you are not getting it. The Summa Cum Laude was an opportunity for feting anyone could try for. The University didn't just pick out people they thought were pretty good and give them that award. That is what I am getting at.

coco

P.S. And by the way, all this is beside the point. The point is what Ordinal has said several times now. The chosen part of it is kind of secondary to the fact that LL actually thinks they are going to learn anything beneficial from a hand-picked group. If indeed learning is what they have in mind. And I don't think it is. I think it is more what Crucial said.

it's not viciousness

look

when you accept mediocrity as natural state of being, you assume everyone else has, too. this premise granted, of course you'll believe success is impossible without a nipple to slurp at. it would never occur to you that excellence and personal initiative could allow people to rise up and claim rewards. it never occurs to such people that well-connectedness and prosperity could come as the gifts of hard work, rather than as the pittances of some karmic lottery. you assume everyone else has spent their life either luckily falling upward or hopelessly falling downward, just like you have.

it would suck to think that way though

P.S. And by the way, all this is beside the point. The point is what Ordinal has said several times now. The chosen part of it is kind of secondary to the fact that LL actually thinks they are going to learn anything beneficial from a hand-picked group. If indeed learning is what they have in mind. And I don't think it is. I think it is more what Crucial said.

And Nolan, I'm not going to NOT respond to Jennyfur calling me (or those with my viewpoint) names because someone else (not me) calls other people names. So forget that. I am my own person here.
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So essentially what you are saying is that the group LL picked has nothing of value to contribute, that LL can't learn anything from their views. That is just ridiculous. No, the group is not representative of every person in SL, no group could ever be. They were chosen based upon criteria that Linden Lab found important to them - it is a very diverse group that has also managed to fly very much under the drama-fest radar of the forums and make noteworthy contributions to SL in their own way. It goes beyond just being a customer - it is about being actively involved and having a solid understanding of SL. Not everyone has that interest or that involvement.

Their views are important to LL because they are informed views, and they have obviously earned the respect of LL. There is not a single person on that list I would not recommend myself. You think you aren't marginalizing anyone, but all you have done with this thread is marginalize those very people. You call the choice of hearing their views by LL as being unfair, and say that nothing can be learned from them. That is definitely marginalizing people.

I don't agree with Lewis's philosphy on that either, or at least I don't think that it isn't a particular problem, that aspect of players.

I just hate it when we get to the point where people are trashing other people's businesses, including pictures. And as I said, he is in the middle of revamping the whole thing and starting a new line, so it really isn't quite fair.

coco

it's not viciousness

look

when you accept mediocrity as natural state of being, you assume everyone else has, too. this premise granted, of course you'll believe success is impossible without a nipple to slurp at. it would never occur to you that excellence and personal initiative could allow people to rise up and claim rewards. it never occurs to such people that well-connectedness and prosperity could come as the gifts of hard work, rather than as the pittances of some karmic lottery. you assume everyone else has spent their life either luckily falling upward or hopelessly falling downward, just like you have.

it would suck to think that way though

Enabran is trying to make me mad.

And he has succeeded.

coco

Quite frankly, it amuses me to no end to see how your feathers get ruffled when the tables are turned on you and someone calls you a name like smacktard or what have you. You do the exact same thing with the FIC and then deny it whilst raging on in righteous indignancy that someone called you a smacktard.

it's not viciousness

look

when you accept mediocrity as natural state of being, you assume everyone else has, too. this premise granted, of course you'll believe success is impossible without a nipple to slurp at. it would never occur to you that excellence and personal initiative could allow people to rise up and claim rewards. it never occurs to such people that well-connectedness and prosperity could come as the gifts of hard work, rather than as the pittances of some karmic lottery. you assume everyone else has spent their life either luckily falling upward or hopelessly falling downward, just like you have.

it would suck to think that way though

Kitten pics are nice... but no substitution for face to face. And a picnic is nice, but it's too removed from the day to day actual work. Slaving away for some faceless entry in a database somewhere gets rather old very quickly. It helps to connect in reality.

Implying she is successful due to sex balls or favoritism or being in some elitist clique is not only false - its also dismissive.

Enabran is trying to make me mad.

And he has succeeded.

coco

So essentially what you are saying is that the group LL picked has nothing of value to contribute, that LL can't learn anything from their views. That is just ridiculous.

I think ridiculous part is the badly picked pr hype hoopla supposed to elevate this program, and lengths people are willing to go at in this thread to find justification for it, when it simply makes no sense and as such cannot be really justified...

(i mean strictly the "flying people in to shake their hand" part. the program itself being of any use i don't know. Though can't help but recall SOE, SWG and their very similar "let's bring community correspondents to meet the devs" stunt and how much impact _that_ had on the overall shape of that particular trainwreck. Which was none)

Right. So lets elevate game devs to god status.

The Untouchables.

Uh huh.

Oh, so you actually believe there's some sort of useful contribution one can make in couple hours of meeting after X hours of plane flight, as opposed to getting that input over extended time and through means that doesn't require all the travel?

Let's hear exactly _what_ sort of exclusive contribution that requires this sort of effort you can think of, then.

edit: as for the 'untouchables' thing... isn't there a convention coming quite soon, with plenty opportunity to shake hands with devs and stuff?

Right. So you say, what? Because every single person doesn't get an audience, lets languish in indifference? Let's have a Wall? Let's solicit no feedback?

Some of you folks obviously have never had to interact beyond the bounds of your own social circles.