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06-15-2006 07:28
From: Lewis Nerd I believe "naming names" and targetting individuals for criticism is not permitted on the forums, and as I do not wish to obtain a warning/or suspension over such a silly issue, I will keep my thoughts to myself.
In general, they are all people with big business (and big money) who are all I am sure very knowledgeable of how to run a large operation in SL.
Which is all well and good except probably around 95% of the player base are not doing what they are, therefore they are not representative of the game at large - thus not knowledgeable about what us little people need SL to provide us to help us.
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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06-15-2006 07:47
From: Lewis Nerd Except that these 'highly talented, motivated and involved residents' all have one thing in common - big business, something that the vast majority are not involved in, either by choice or circumstances. (Emphasis mine) Send a pound of whatever you're smoking up to my place, immediately, please! Now you're just being over-the-top ridiculous - most of the residents selected have nothing to do with "big business". Let's do a one-by-one run down, and then let's hear Lewis's "I hate everything" reply: Pham Neutra - don't know of a business, but I do know his excellent economic analysis on SLOG. No business mentioned in his profile. Oz Spade - a great guy, but no business listed anywhere in his profile. Nexus Nash - involved in rentals with Gigas Catherine Omega - scripter extraordinaire, has always been willing to lend a helping hand, taught me a lot of what I know. Sells occasional scripts at one location, can be hired to script, but definitely not "big business" Salazar Jack - No mention of any business in his profile. Quote from profile: "Do something that hasn't been done before. Or at least do it differently. And make your own fun." Yeah, that quote makes me think of Walmart and Mcdonald's. Alliez Mysterio - She and her partner rent lovely properties. Kex Godel - no business, never sold an L$ for a US$ ever. So, if I give you Alliez and Nexus, that's two out of the seven, and even those are a stretch; I know both of them really enjoy running their rental businesses. Hardly "all" as you so proudly proclaim in your typical negative fashion above, and they're hardly Microsoft, General Electric, or Halliburton. Exactly zero of the seven is set up to sell on SLBoutique. I'd check SLExchange but from what I know, they don't have a published sellers list, but my guess is zero of the seven sell anything there. Oh yeah, big business, that's for sure! Do you ever get tired of being so consistently wrong on a regular basis? Argh. Regards, -Flip
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Khamon Fate
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06-15-2006 07:50
Ya know, they may have been summoned to participate in a gomming session to discuss how LL will capitalize on the businesses and connections they've built using Second Life. That's a pretty easy selection processes for them.
Flip, you and Jen may just be off the hook this time around.
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06-15-2006 07:58
From: Lewis Nerd In general, they are all people with big business (and big money) who are all I am sure very knowledgeable of how to run a large operation in SL. Except, uh, no. How cool would it be if you actually knew what you were talking about? It'd be pretty cool!
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Lewis Nerd
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06-15-2006 08:01
From: FlipperPA Peregrine Pham Neutra - don't know of a business, but I do know his excellent economic analysis on SLOG. No business mentioned in his profile. Money related. From: FlipperPA Peregrine Oz Spade - a great guy, but no business listed anywhere in his profile. *shrug* From: FlipperPA Peregrine Nexus Nash - involved in rentals with Gigas Rentals = money. From: FlipperPA Peregrine Catherine Omega - scripter extraordinaire, has always been willing to lend a helping hand, taught me a lot of what I know. Sells occasional scripts at one location, can be hired to script, but definitely not "big business" Closely involved with someone who does have a big business, I believe? From: FlipperPA Peregrine Salazar Jack - No mention of any business in his profile. Quote from profile: "Do something that hasn't been done before. Or at least do it differently. And make your own fun." Yeah, that quote makes me think of Walmart and Mcdonald's. *shrug* From: FlipperPA Peregrine Alliez Mysterio - She and her partner rent lovely properties. Big money enterprise. From: FlipperPA Peregrine Kex Godel - no business, never sold an L$ for a US$ ever. *shrug* From: FlipperPA Peregrine Exactly zero of the seven is set up to sell on SLBoutique. Considering SL is supposed to be an all encompassing, all singing all dancing metaverse/platform/future of the internet... why bother going to some third party site when it should all be being done in-game? Just like why bother with flying people half way across the country to a face to face meeting when SL is the perfect location? Oh... I forgot... seeing inside the Linden offices and meeting a few Lindens is such an amazing experience. *yawn* Lewis |
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06-15-2006 08:05
From: Khamon Fate Flip, you and Jen may just be off the hook this time around. Well, SLBoutique is now owned by the Electric Sheep Company, of which I am a member.  However, I think we'd support Linden Lab giving better tools to people (us included...like llName2Key and an improved feedback system for llGiveInventory) to make it easier to build web shops. I'm not convinced they'd want the headache that comes along with web sales - while currency transactions can be very well automated, there is quite a high level of customer service required for running something like SLEx or SLB. Regardless, if they do start their own some day, we'll just have to make sure we're that much better than the competition. The events list is a pretty good indicator at how well Linden Lab manages community tools...they don't, and they shouldn't. Provide the toolbox, let the residents build the house! Regards, -Flip
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Lewis Nerd
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06-15-2006 08:10
From: Enabran Templar Except, uh, no. How cool would it be if you actually knew what you were talking about? I think I know a lot more about my game play and experiences in-world than you do. Lewis |
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Memir Quinn
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06-15-2006 08:12
So is that like Lewis speak for 'sorry everybody I was wrong?" Personally I like this quote better, From: Lewis Nerd on Robin's blog concerning SL views ...I demand that you dissolve this stupid idea immediately. Or at least invite me, so you can actually learn how SL can grow properly instead. or this... From: Lewis Nerd on Robin's blog concerning SL views Laugh as much as you like, but I'm one of the few people who really understands SL because I know it's a computer game, not some fancy waffly explanation. Just a 'wee' bit arrogant Lewis? Yours is the one and only proper vision of SL? The only hope of LL's success? But only if the process you're so critical of picks you, then it'd be ok. Source |
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06-15-2006 08:13
From: Lewis Nerd [total nonsense] *shurg* So you're pretty much admitting your wrong through shrugging and changing your tune now? Nice attempt to weasel out there, as usual, when the facts get in the way of your nonsense. You said they were ALL involved with big business. Now you're saying money related. Hey Lewis - do you have any money in RL? Yes? Does that mean YOU are a big business? Nice attempt at a failed fallback position there. Shrugs don't absolve you of your ignorance. The least you could have done before making wild assertations is checked a few peoples' profiles in world, geez. Oh, but wait, that might get in the way of your insane paranoia and negativity. Are you going to apologize to people who have gone out of their way to NOT be business related (Kex, Salazar, Oz... oh wait, that's almost HALF of the people going!) for years who you've incorrectly characterized? Have you ever considered that many of the people going have been part of the various volunteer programs for years? Probably not. But once again, I must point out... you're completely off base and wrong. -Flip
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06-15-2006 08:13
From: Joannah Cramer We were talking about interaction, and about how some people have been subjected to this skill more than others.
A strawman is argument one chooses to address instead of actual point of their opponent. Typically because it's easier to beat.
* me: i think the flight thing is rather silly idea, since it goes vs what SL claims to be
* you: zomg you don't want the advisory program!
see? your 'issue at hand' is something quite different from what i talk about. If you want to argue with someone who is against the advisory program, then you got wrong person.
In the original announcement of the program. They chose to highlight the start of program itself _and_ the fact the participants are to be brought to LL hq. So either it is big deal to them, or they have incompetent staff that can't focus on important parts and writes about trifles instead. Up to you.
Uh, no. your 'response' was actually dodging the original question which was specifically about _what_ so exclusive can be brought in a short personal meeting that cannot be done without it. "something worthwile" is as far from being specific as it can go, sorry.
Nothing is wrong with picking customers for feedback. Please feel free to go back and show me where i actually said something to that effect. If anything, i stated couple times by now to the contrary, yet you still pounding on that poor straw guy.
Then it's closed matter. You have your opinion on what it is, and i have mine. Unless you can provide me with coherent argument why it's anything _but_ PR stunt, i guess it'll stay at that. And since you've been dodging that particular question ever since it was asked, i don't think it's going to change.
Am sorry, but "on your part" it was about:
"I don't think you understand how business works, and I think your opaque desire for bergeroning SL society screams it out loud. "
The only way to interpret it that made any sort of sense was, that somehow granting some residents travels on behalf of LL was a way to recognize their 'higher status' or whaever. Except just a while ago you were claiming this very sort of travel is as mundane thing as it goes... so making diverse society by granting some with something extremely mundane didn't really make sense after all. And it now turns out that's "spin" on my part anyway. So, how exactly my 'opaque desire for bergeroning SL society' and your 'it was only about travel' come together in your mind? Because apparently it's just too twisted path of reasoning for me to follow.
I said it in about first post i made in this thread, thank you for skipping it. It basically comes down to belief that company which makes a 'platform for new ways of communication without barriers' etc... shoots themselves in a foot by picking traditional and tiresome way to seek feedback from their focus group. Because downplay it all you want, but it does send a signal for would-be investors "all the PR bull aside, if you want to have useful communication with your customers then you're better off flying them in from around the world and deal with usual barriers in the process, than try this SL thing"
I know, "Nolan". Doesn't mean i can't give my feedback on this, it's what the forum is for. Don't like it, don't read it. Building straw men from "straw men" is a great parlor trick. Your "demonstration" thereof is arrant. You can sit there and tell me until you're blue in the face that you you think it's PR bull, and I will look right back at you and ask why they didn't just grab eight newbies then? While you're at it, why don't you tell me again how you have no subjective opinion on the matter, then launch off into another diatribe about why its so much bunkum?
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Keiki Lemieux
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06-15-2006 08:13
Thanks for the run down Flipper. Looks like a diverse group.
Lewis, can't you just admit that you are wrong? It's good for soul. Just say it, "I was wrong."
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06-15-2006 08:17
From: Jonquille Noir When I look at the list, 'money' isn't the thing that comes to mind. Talent is.
But that's in a sense part of the problem. The vast majority of people on SL aren't talented in that way. Real life cabinets and politicians and similar also get chosen because they are talented - but because they are talented at politics, that is, they are good at one or other or both of a) representing people (so that they can represent people who aren't so good at that) and b) manipulating people (so that they can manipulate other politicians on behalf of the people they represent). Both of these have a component in getting them elected. Now, of course LL have the right to do this kind of thing, but it's a bit like having a government advisor committee of (for instance) Donald Trump, Orlando Bloom, Vanessa Mae, Damien Hirst and Sid Meier. All of them are highly talented people who would have earned any special treatment they get, but how do we know that they are good at representing folks at large, or at persuading the government to do the things folks want them to do? |
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06-15-2006 08:18
From: Jennyfur Peregrine I suspect no matter who was chosen there would be the same ammount of animoscity and discord. Its just how some people are. Undoubtedly. The probability of Prok being the first person to respond on Robin's blog to trash the program and Coco starting this thread was 99.999999999999999999% The other .000000000000000001% was the slim chance of them being crushed by a falling meteor before they could get to their keyboards.
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Lewis Nerd
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06-15-2006 08:18
I have nothing to apologise for, I've done nothing wrong, and as always I'm being made out to be the one in the wrong because I happen to have a contrary opinion to a few 'popular people' here. A few of the usual trolls jump on the bandwagon, and denigrate me and my activities in SL in order to take the heat off the fact that they have nothing to refute what I am saying.
As for volunteering... I'm an SL greeter. I ran a popular newbie welcome house in TSO for nearly 3 years. I work for a charity. I've been involved in various not for profit organisations, I ran a scout troop for 10 years. I do a lot for other people, both first and second life. I'd ask what you do, but to be honest I really don't care as you're just as irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.
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06-15-2006 08:19
From: Keiki Lemieux Thanks for the run down Flipper. Looks like a diverse group.
Lewis, can't you just admit that you are wrong? It's good for soul. Just say it, "I was wrong." The idea is wrong. The programme is wrong. The implementation is wrong. The way of picking the participants is wrong. Lewis |
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06-15-2006 08:22
From: Lewis Nerd I have nothing to apologise for, I've done nothing wrong, and as always I'm being made out to be the one in the wrong because I happen to have a contrary opinion to a few 'popular people' here. A few of the usual trolls jump on the bandwagon, and denigrate me and my activities in SL in order to take the heat off the fact that they have nothing to refute what I am saying.
As for volunteering... I'm an SL greeter. I ran a popular newbie welcome house in TSO for nearly 3 years. I work for a charity. I've been involved in various not for profit organisations, I ran a scout troop for 10 years. I do a lot for other people, both first and second life. I'd ask what you do, but to be honest I really don't care as you're just as irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.
Lewis Oh yeah? Well... well... I'm a soccer mom!Beat that!
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06-15-2006 08:22
From: Lewis Nerd The idea is wrong. The programme is wrong. The implementation is wrong. The way of picking the participants is wrong.
Lewis And you were wrong about the people they picked... they aren't all big business. Come on... just say it.
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06-15-2006 08:22
From: Lewis Nerd The idea is wrong. The programme is wrong. The implementation is wrong. The way of picking the participants is wrong. You're wrong. As proven several times above.
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06-15-2006 08:25
From: Lewis Nerd The idea is wrong. The programme is wrong. The implementation is wrong. The way of picking the participants is wrong.
Lewis ...and let us not forget you were wrong in your assertions about the make up of the members of the group which was selected this time, not to mention dismissive of their accomplishments (non-big business, non-big money, mind one of your chief complaints) and denigrating of any use of SL outside your narrow world view. Lest we forget, naggling little facts like that. Not exactly batting a thousand are we? |
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06-15-2006 08:28
From: Nolan Nash You can sit there and tell me until you're blue in the face that you you think it's PR bull, and I will look right back at you and ask why they didn't just grab eight newbies then? Not sure why you quoted everything i said if you didn't even try to answer any of that. Anyway, since from your response it looks like you either still don't get it, or it's just more convenient for you to pretend you don't... it's not the program itself that's "PR bull" in my opinion. It's the "we'll fly them in to our HQ so we can get good feedback" part. Hence it's nice if they hand-picked people who are expected to provide valuable input, but it's silly to wrap it with marketing game that doesn't necessarily have to work as well for SL as it does for a 'typical' MMO which also utilize this kind of PR games. From: someone While you're at it, why don't you tell me again how you have no subjective opinion on the matter, then launch off into another diatribe about why its so much bunkum? See above; if you cannot separate the overall idea of getting feedback from customers (good) with particular bits of _mechanics_ chosen to gather that feedback (questionable) then it's not my problem. |
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06-15-2006 08:29
From: pandastrong Fairplay I'm a soccer mom!
Beat that! As much as I'd love to, it'd be considered assault. |
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06-15-2006 08:31
From: Cocoanut Cookie Cut it out, Surreal. Stop going personal. To hear you tell it, I was born yesterday. And for all you know, I could buy and sell Anshe AND you. Hun, I'm not for sale, and you couldn't afford me even if I was. So, only you get to call people names. Phillip and the other Lindens are ethically bankrupt because they choose who they want to have advise them on their business for their reasons. The people who accept the invitation are either too stupid to see that their being picked is horribly unfair to anyone who wasn't, or they are selfish bastards getting a leg up by oppressing the little resident. Some mysterious group nicknamed the FIC are greedy ass-kissers who don't succeed based on their own hard work and expertise, but thru some mysterious favors. Everyone who doesn't agree with your stance is either too naive to understand your volumnous posts trying to enlighten their blindness, or actively trying to support the evil empire. No amount of semantic wiggling on your part negates the implications of your name calling. And since you've implied that I'm at least a stooge if not in the FIC, then yes... it's already personal, and will remain so.
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06-15-2006 08:32
From: Lewis Nerd I think I know a lot more about my game play and experiences in-world than you do.
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06-15-2006 08:32
From: FlipperPA Peregrine You're wrong. As proven several times above. omg Lewis WRONG !!!!! PERISH THE THOUGHT |
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Lewis Nerd
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06-15-2006 08:36
From: Rasah Tigereye Oooh! Do I hear an age-off? Who's the oldest giezer in SL? Debate! Nothing to do with age - merely that I know how I play and what I do, and nobody else has my experiences. Similar, perhaps, but not the same. Glad to see that the trolls are out in full force and trying to detract from the main issue here, as usual. I guess I can go and find something better to do until they get bored and go irritate someone else. Lewis |
