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Tomas Gandini
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08-07-2007 11:19
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Tod69 Talamasca
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08-07-2007 11:20
Post #176 and still IBTL!!!
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FD Spark
Prim & Texture Doodler
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
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08-07-2007 11:23
What ever you're on, I'll have some too! ![]() Not sure you my whacked out due to lack of sleep cause I have been stuck in the prim out house all night. I got no drugs. Just trying to distract myself cheerfully. Please forgive my humor if it offends anyone just getting whacky on lack of sleep. I am going to try to get two hours of sleep. Thanks for the cheap amusement. All I can offer you is prim joint I found in some freebie place Michael. LOL |
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Colette Meiji
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08-07-2007 11:24
Post #176 and still IBTL!!! ![]() Can't believe its still going yet!!! ![]() The Rez Mod must be taking a nap Maybe he is up on the Mountain. |
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SqueezeOne Pow
World Changer
Join date: 21 Dec 2005
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08-07-2007 11:25
Nothing. I don't use voice....... Chalk one up for Brenda! On Jesuits: My Parish where I grew up and went to school for 12 years was run by Jesuists and I agree they are among the most forward thinking and "real world" of the orders. I have no problem with Religious groups here. As long as they don't harass or impede others living their Second Lives, they are welcome. They are subject to the same rules as we are. I've had similar experiences with Jesuits as well as actually knowing some of their history. I'm not a big fan of the Catholic Nation but no one that has actually paid attention to history could ignore the fact that they have (or at least tried to) done a lot of good in the world. I'd be all for Jesuits coming to SL if they made a crazy cathedral or monestary or whatever it is they live in. Hell I'd even donate the tiny Portuguese Colonial Brazilian Church I made! That is all I'm saying in this thread. Not only is this outside the scope of SL, it's also not a subject that I'm interested in hearing what the forum crowd has to say. _____________________
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Oryx Tempel
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08-07-2007 11:25
I decided even though I know transparencies exist because I seen them that maybe I am just imagioning things and transparent textures really don't exist. ![]() Whoa, hey, you can SEE tranparencies? I'm impressed... I guess I'll believe because you believe! ![]() _____________________
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
Join date: 1 Oct 2006
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08-07-2007 11:25
You two are attributing a narrow scope to me that just isn't there. Who said anything about any particular administration(s)? And Collette, I guess I missed where we were being called that during the Clinton years. Perhaps that was coming from some right-wingers with ...wait for it... a religous agenda! And, as far as I know, the Clintons are actually pretty devout. Do you really think that politicians who are religious (which is the majority) don't bring their beliefs, born of their faith, into office with them? Historically, the majority of US politicians who are or were religious are Christian. Quoting Jefferson makes for nice sig lines but Jefferson != The United States. God is on the currency. God is in the Pledge. Moses is on the friezes of the Supreme Court building and the Ten Commmandments are on the courtroom door. I could cite all sorts of legislation which has it's roots in Christian beliefs and many more instances of Judeo-Christian imagery in public places owned by the government. For better or for worse, Christianity has had a profound impact on life within the US. If you disagree with that, of course that fine,, but then there really is no point in debating this further, because to me, it's as obvious as the sun that rises each morning. Like I said name me one law that has advanced Christianity over other religions that has been passed in the past 6 years. Imagery is just that, imagery. A sop to the masses to make them think their rulers are pious. Keep them stirred up over the pledge and they won't notice that the currency has been inflated to the point that it is all but worthless. Argue over the Ten Commandments in courtrooms and they won't notice that they are being taxed into slavery. _____________________
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FD Spark
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08-07-2007 11:27
Whoa, hey, you can SEE tranparencies? I'm impressed... I guess I'll believe because you believe! ![]() yeah I can see if I can remember the short cut keys. Darn I forgot what they were um ctrl alt T or was that ctrl alt while pressing the GOD key? LOL |
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Chris Norse
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08-07-2007 11:29
If religious beliefs aren't ideas, what are they? It's disingenuous to classify religious thought as somehow different than any other kind of idea, as if it deserves special treatment above and beyond what any other kind of idea receives. I've always found it profoundly silly that people are completely comfortable disagreeing about any other area of human thought, but if you disagree about religion suddenly you're intolerant and a very bad person. That's not a rational way to address knowledge. It's bullying to stifle dissent. The evolution of human knowledge depends entirely on the willingness of people to contemplate opposing points of view, to accept new evidence as it emerges, to rationally weigh all available data, and most importantly, a willingness to change our minds. When we wall off certain subjects and call them sacred, cherished, and above reproach, we doom ourselves to stagnation and an inability to learn and grow. No idea should be protected from challenge - religious, scientific, or otherwise. But, as this discussion really doesn't belong in this forum, I'll now bow out ![]() So Chip, while I am not calling on debating these issues here, I take your post to mean that you would support: *an open and honest debate on sex differences *an open and honest debate on race differences *repeal of thought and speech crime laws in Canada and Western Europe *an open and honest debate on the health effects of homosexual behavior _____________________
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Moose McDunnough
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Join date: 21 Mar 2006
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08-07-2007 11:32
Show me any meaningful change by the government that has taken place in the past 6 years to favor religion, the Christian religion in particular. Easy - George W.'s Faith-Based Initiatives - Funneling our tax dollars to primarily Christian churches since 2001! |
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Brenda Connolly
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08-07-2007 11:35
Easy - George W.'s Faith-Based Initiatives - Funneling our tax dollars to primarily Christian churches since 2001! Sorry Moose. I gave him that one already. _____________________
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Broccoli Curry
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08-07-2007 11:35
Easy - George W.'s Faith-Based Initiatives - Funneling our tax dollars to primarily Christian churches since 2001! Ok so I'm not from the US ... but ... http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/ .... scroll down, 25 June "During the last week of the 2006-07 Supreme Court term, the justices announced a ruling in favor of the United States Government in a case known as Hein v. Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF). The case is significant because it affirms the President's faith-based and community initiative and enables the government to continue expanding its partnerships with every willing organization--faith-based or secular, large or small--dedicated to serving their neighbors in need" Every willing organisation ... not just faith based initiative, it brings in community groups of all flavours too. Broccoli _____________________
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Moose McDunnough
Flying Spaghetti Moose
Join date: 21 Mar 2006
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08-07-2007 11:37
Sorry Moose. I gave him that one already. Damn! Must have missed it. That's what I get for skimming through the thread. |
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
Join date: 1 Oct 2006
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08-07-2007 11:40
Easy - George W.'s Faith-Based Initiatives - Funneling our tax dollars to primarily Christian churches since 2001! Read back a couple of pages, I already discussed this. Just some of the rules the FBO's operate under: # They may not use direct government funds to support inherently religious activities such as prayer, worship, religious instruction, or proselytization. # Any inherently religious activities that the organizations may offer must be offered separately in time or location from services that receive federal assistance. # FBOs cannot discriminate on the basis of religion when providing services (GAO 2006:13 Yeah, that is really the start of a Theocracy. Is funneling our tax money to Israel supporting the Jewish religion? Is funneling our tax money to the United Nations supporting secular humanism? _____________________
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Moose McDunnough
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08-07-2007 11:41
Ok so I'm not from the US ... but ... http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/ .... scroll down, 25 June "During the last week of the 2006-07 Supreme Court term, the justices announced a ruling in favor of the United States Government in a case known as Hein v. Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF). The case is significant because it affirms the President's faith-based and community initiative and enables the government to continue expanding its partnerships with every willing organization--faith-based or secular, large or small--dedicated to serving their neighbors in need" Every willing organisation ... not just faith based initiative, it brings in community groups of all flavours too. Broccoli I agree that's what it says, but if you look at how the money has been distributed so far, the vast majority of it is to Christian churches and organizations. |
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Brenda Connolly
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08-07-2007 11:41
Damn! Must have missed it. That's what I get for skimming through the thread. You never know what gem you may uncover, even if it is hidden inside a turd. _____________________
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Broccoli Curry
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Join date: 13 Jun 2006
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08-07-2007 11:45
I agree that's what it says, but if you look at how the money has been distributed so far, the vast majority of it is to Christian churches and organizations. Given that Christianity (in its various forms) is the predominant religion in the US, then that's not entirely surprising is it? If it was totally, to the exclusion of every other faith or community group then you'd have a point, but I don't think that is really the issue. It's really like complaining that funding for homeless projects is biased towards those that have nowhere to live. Broccoli _____________________
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Turbo Streeter
Priminally Insane
Join date: 5 Jun 2007
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08-07-2007 11:50
You never know what gem you may uncover, even if it is hidden inside a turd. I read some time ago about a special blend of coffee, made from the uniquely harvested beans found in the poop of a certain species of monkey... Seems passing through the monkey's digestive system somehow unlocked the beans 'potential'. (shudders) _____________________
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Michael Bigwig
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Join date: 5 Dec 2005
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08-07-2007 11:51
Whoa, hey, you can SEE tranparencies? I'm impressed... I guess I'll believe because you believe! ![]() Do you believe there was a time when I actually thought 90% was the highest transparency possible. I was like, "Hey! I can still see that!" I knew there must be a way to make it fully transparent, but for the first month of building, I used only 90%....lol. I find that funny. Finally I was handed a "transparent" texture...I was like, "Duh!" ![]() _____________________
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Sunspot Pixie
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08-07-2007 11:52
Like I said name me one law that has advanced Christianity over other religions that has been passed in the past 6 years. Imagery is just that, imagery. A sop to the masses to make them think their rulers are pious. Keep them stirred up over the pledge and they won't notice that the currency has been inflated to the point that it is all but worthless. Argue over the Ten Commandments in courtrooms and they won't notice that they are being taxed into slavery. Look, you don't get to order me to honour your question which has nothing to do with my point. Even were it true that no law, act, or what have you, has influenced by religion has been passed in the past 6 years, it still does not invalidate my point. My point is this, since you're obviously having trouble grasping it: The United States is rife with religious overtones, especially of the Judeo-Christian flavour. This includes the government. Why you're trying to pin me down over this last 6 years stuff is just beyond me. I suspect you're thirsting for some sort of argument about the Bush administration, and my point was not leveled at any particular administration or organisation, so you'd better cast that lure near someone else. As far as this irrational fear of yours whereby <gasp> simply broaching a topic, such as the one which I have, leads to people supposedly becoming blinded to other issues, well I disagree. Maybe in the circles you travel within, people are given to having one-track minds, but I'm not. Simply pointing out that religion is intertwined with government doesn't have the magical ability to shut people's minds down to everything else. That notion is simply condescending. Why are you so afraid of me talking about religion and government? _____________________
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Broccoli Curry
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08-07-2007 11:55
Simply pointing out that religion is intertwined with government doesn't have the magical ability to shut people's minds down to everything else. That notion is simply condescending. Government is intertwined with many other things apart from religion... money, sex, corruption, mafia... etc etc etc. Why pick on religion as the "only" bad thing that government happens to touch? I would say that it is more obvious to the casual observer that the US fixation on gun ownership is far more harmful to the population in general. It's not a right, it's a privilege allowed by law, which could be revoked at any time. Broccoli _____________________
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FD Spark
Prim & Texture Doodler
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08-07-2007 11:57
Anyone ever read or hear about what the Native American went through in found of United States? Some of it what was done in name of God especially in early days of America even until the 1970's where they took out those "heathens" and forced them into Christian boarding schools to make them civilized good Christians.
It was in my opinion broadly offensive. I won't get into details because it really upsets me. Lot of horrendous things have been in name of religion and God, those who believed they were granted special priveledges over another group of people. I don't want to believe in world or God that condones that personally. I rather create something better even if its only with my prims and virtually. |
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Michael Bigwig
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08-07-2007 11:57
You guys should all read:
The Secret and then watch: What the Bleep Do We Know You might enjoy the unique insight and spiritual enlightening, combined with quantum physics and scientific breakdowns....did that make sense? Seriously though...The Secret and What the Bleep are a great combo. You'll think about things differently, that's for sure. And it doesn't force anything down your throat...they actually stay away from religion. ![]() _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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08-07-2007 11:58
Look, you don't get to order me to honor your question which has nothing to do with my point. Even were it true that no law, act, or what have you, has influenced by religion has been passed in the past 6 years, it still does not invalidate my point. My point is this, since you're obviously having trouble grasping it: The United States is rife with religious overtones, especially of the Judeo-Christian flavour. This includes the government. Why you're trying to pin me down over this last 6 years stuff is just beyond me. I suspect you're thirsting for some sort of argument about the Bush administration, and my point was not leveled at any particular administration or organisation, so you'd better cast that lure near someone else. As far as this irrational fear of yours whereby <gasp> simply broaching a topic, such as the one which I have, leads to people supposedly becoming blinded to other issues, well I disagree. Maybe in the circle you travel within, people are given to having one-track minds, but I don't. Simply pointing out that religion is intertwined with government doesn't have the magical ability to shut people's minds down to everything else. That notion is simply condescending. Why are you so afraid of me talking about religion and government? Im guessing its becuase since Bush took office there were sudden accusations that America was a fledgling Theocracy. Its comon in "Bash" America posts on a lot of forums. That is why I made my other post as well, since during Clinton some people were saying how NON cristian the US was. It seems to me by your last two posts you were not refering to the accusations that seem a result of the administration coming to power at all. You do have a point, I think, in that all religious imgary and homage in the United states institutions and documents is of a nondenominational Judeo/Christian origin. And it is very common. There are also laws based mainly on morality. But thats true of Most societies. |
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
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08-07-2007 11:59
Look, you don't get to order me to honor your question which has nothing to do with my point. Even were it true that no law, act, or what have you, has influenced by religion has been passed in the past 6 years, it still does not invalidate my point. My point is this, since you're obviously having trouble grasping it: The United States is rife with religious overtones, especially of the Judeo-Christian flavour. This includes the government. Why you're trying to pin me down over this last 6 years stuff is just beyond me. I suspect you're thirsting for some sort of argument about the Bush administration, and my point was not leveled at any particular administration or organisation, so you'd better cast that lure near someone else. As far as this irrational fear of yours whereby <gasp> simply broaching a topic, such as the one which I have, leads to people supposedly becoming blinded to other issues, well I disagree. Maybe in the circle you travel within, people are given to having one-track minds, but I don't. Simply pointing out that religion is intertwined with government doesn't have the magical ability to shut people's minds down to everything else. That notion is simply condescending. Why are you so afraid of me talking about religion and government? Because you all but made the claim that the government is made up of "religious nutters". The government has done more to harm true religion over the past 60 years than it has done to advance it. I object to pairing religion and government, because it degrades true religion to say it has anything to do with the government. As for the Bush administration, impeachment and the firing squad for treason would be my first choice. _____________________
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