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Smoke Gordonstone
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07-07-2008 12:47
From: Strangel Bade
Compulsion/repulsion reaction. Where lower primates would just poke it with a stick and then run up a tree howling for comfort, we have to examine very closely the things we dislike. Sort of the psychological equivalent of picking at scabs.

Sometimes, I think frontal lobe development may have been a mistake. ;P


Yeah...thats exactly what I was trying to say!
Ai Kikuchiyo
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07-07-2008 12:48
Dungeon Of Debauchery has nothing to do with Dolcett at all.

I'm getting more than a little tired of the trolls who pounced on this thread taking personal shots at me.
Rebecca Proudhon
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07-07-2008 12:48
From: Ai Kikuchiyo
I would think so. It's among the most extreme of the extreme in Second Life.

Age Playing feeds the fantasies of child molesters and and potential child molesters. Any depiction of children engaged in sexual acts has already been explicitly banned from Second Life.

Dolcett is as bad or worse on the same score. In that it feeds the fantasies of serial killers and potential serial killers. What I'm saying is that Dolcett is on the very same plane as Age Playing.


SL needs to get a lot of reports before they notice and a policy that has teeth. They would first need to link all alts to a master account and be able to ban actual people permanently.

Right now LL avoids their legal liability by putting it on residents to define what is "broadly offensive." They can say..."see we received lots of complaints."

I would not agree with anyone who would argue that SL is "so big," it is "impossible" to catch offenders. LL should have a large group of employees whose single job it to go through the search and find any such things and investigate them and ban actual people permanently.

It is not rocket science to figure out if this is "broadly offensive," nor should it require many AR's. Those who argue that LL policing the grid would open them up to liability are whacked. Laws are based on "reasonable," efforts.

The claim by some that this could be considered "art," are absurd and too literal.

It's just common sense what is "broadly offensive," and what is censorship.
Viktoria Dovgal
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07-07-2008 12:54
All the Dolcett stuff I've seen in SL is so over the top that it doesn't elicit anything but giggles from me. It's about at the level of Bugs Bunny taking a bath in a big cooking pot.
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07-07-2008 12:54
Is anyone being harmed.. NO

Is anyone being coerced.. NO

Dolcett isn't my personal bag, but FFS...It aint actually hurting anyone.

I know people in SL who engage in Dolcett... none of them are disturbed or dangerous

What gives with people that they start moral crusades over stuff like this..

can't they put their energies into something that actially matters...

You know.. like protesting the war in the middle east where people are actually dying?
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07-07-2008 12:54
From: Ai Kikuchiyo
Dungeon Of Debauchery has nothing to do with Dolcett at all.

I'm getting more than a little tired of the trolls who pounced on this thread taking personal shots at me.


"pounced", "invaded".... Last I checked, we were just "replyin'" to some hypocrite who wanted to point fingers at "unacceptable kinks".

You opened your own morality up for public debate when you challenged the morality of others. The moment you say that someone's interests are "not okay" your own interests become critical to the issue. You stand there in your ivory tower, passing judgement on "what people like".. and you expect no one to look behind the curtain at what YOU'RE hiding?

Keep your laws off my body, keep your eyes off my pornography.. and keep you sweet little lilly-white hinder out of my store.
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Ai Kikuchiyo
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07-07-2008 12:55
From: Rebecca Proudhon
SL needs to get a lot of reports before they notice and a policy that has teeth. They would first need to link all alts to a master account and be able to ban actual people permanently.

Right now LL avoids their legal liability by putting it on residents to define what is "broadly offensive." They can say..."see we received lots of complaints."

I would not agree with anyone who would argue that SL is "so big," it is "impossible" to catch offenders. LL should have a large group of employees whose single job it to go through the search and find any such things and investigate them and ban actual people permanently.

It is not rocket science to figure out if this is "broadly offensive," nor should it require many AR's. Those who argue that LL policing the grid would open them up to liability are whacked. Laws are based on "reasonable," efforts.

The claim by some that this could be considered "art," are absurd and too literal.

It's just common sense what is "broadly offensive," and what is censorship.


I absolutely, totally agree with you. And I know a lot about how Linden Labs deals with Abuse Reports first hand. I learned it the hard way by working to nullify some serious griefers in world over the last year or so.

I've been waiting on Linden Labs to finally take a stand on a variety of issues. To finally show some teeth and establish firm policies for a long time. But I'm still waiting.

I'm absolutely for Linden Labs engaging in active policing of Second Life. Rather than being completely reactive, like they are now.
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07-07-2008 13:00
From: Ai Kikuchiyo
spam spam offended nag dsfargeg blah blah blah argh

Lulz.

I would love to say something sexist that involves kitchens but then I'd probably get b& from the forums.
Victorria Paine
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07-07-2008 13:00
Are you also willing to pay for this police service? It would cost quite a bit of cash for LL to employ a significant grid police, even if LL wanted to do that (which it does not).

One of the main points of LL from the very beginning was that it was to be as free as possible. It's a very libertarian vision at its core, very much like what Stephenson depicted in Snow Crash. A police force of Any kind is the antithesis of this. This, among other reasons, is why LL has refrained from creating its own police force, and followed the AR approach with the "broadly offensive" standard. It has more to do with the overall philosophy of SL than it does with legal liability, because at the end of the day the legal liability for LL is more or less the same, and LL won't have much of an ability to dodge legal liability by pointing at its customers.

Phillip's vision was always libertarian for SL. Some people don't like that, and want a police force in SL. To which I say: damn that idea straight to hell. Don't pass Go, don't collect $200, just straight to hell, where it belongs.
Ai Kikuchiyo
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07-07-2008 13:00
From: Winter Ventura
"pounced", "invaded".... Last I checked, we were just "replyin'" to some hypocrite who wanted to point fingers at "unacceptable kinks".

You opened your own morality up for public debate when you challenged the morality of others. The moment you say that someone's interests are "not okay" your own interests become critical to the issue. You stand there in your ivory tower, passing judgement on "what people like".. and you expect no one to look behind the curtain at what YOU'RE hiding?

Keep your laws off my body, keep your eyes off my pornography.. and keep you sweet little lilly-white hinder out of my store.


You made the choice to engage in personal attacks. Not me.

Take your own advice. Especially on forums. If you don't like a topic, then leave it alone! And don't you dare call anyone a hypocrite when you, yourself are engaging in the most basic form of hypocrisy there is.
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07-07-2008 13:01
From: Viktoria Dovgal
All the Dolcett stuff I've seen in SL is so over the top that it doesn't elicit anything but giggles from me. It's about at the level of Bugs Bunny taking a bath in a big cooking pot.


Yep. Compared to the videos I've come across of people being beheaded, mutilated, and tortured in other countries, Dolcett gets a giggle out of me too.

Cartoons arent disturbing.

THIS is disturbing: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Offended
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07-07-2008 13:01
as far as I know it's also Illegal to take out a pair of Uzi's and blow people away in most countries. but you dont see anyone trying to ban guns in SL or claiming allowing people to shoot each other turns them into mass murderers.
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07-07-2008 13:01
From: Rebecca Proudhon
...The claim by some that this could be considered "art," are absurd and too literal.

It's just common sense what is "broadly offensive," and what is censorship.
You know... Being offensive can be an art in and of it's own. (^_^)y
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07-07-2008 13:03
From: Ai Kikuchiyo
[Dolcett]…feeds the fantasies of serial killers and potential serial killers.

And how would one know if potential serial killers are here in SL?
Possibly seek out and monitor those who use the Search feature to find things like Dolcett?
Honestly I had never even seen or heard of the word till this thread but making the assumption that those who view a depiction of something will indeed be compelled to carry out the act it is absurd and dangerous and an old worn argument that most people reject.

/me goes to search Dolcett and see if I too am a potential serial killer.
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07-07-2008 13:04
ACK! why are you all indulging this nonsense? :confused:
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07-07-2008 13:07
Just seems a bit odd when the OP was saying this just 2 years ago:

From: Ai Kikuchiyo
Hardly.

I just don't believe in a bubble-wrapped world. Especially one that was created for and by adults. It's pointless and does nothing but harm to an environment that is supposed to be about creativity first.

I have delt with some painful NIMBY's in the past in real life. They are no fun to have around. And in fact, are supremely dangerous to real world infrastructure. Check out the energy woes in regareds to power plants in California, for a good example NIMBY carnage.

NIMBY's want power. But they protest and make life utter hell for those trying to build power plants to feed that desire. The NIMBY's want it both ways. They want to benefit from the energy produced, but do not want to support the source of that power. And in fact, do everything possible to kill creation of sources to feed their hunger for power.

And you can absolutely count on, that in SL, where most of the economy is generated from adult oriented businesses, that the NIMBY's want reap all of the benefits of those businesses without making any sacifices for their existance.

Btw, I happen to, in SL, to live near an adult oriented club. I don't mind what they do. I don't care what they do. They do their thing and I do mine. They are good neighbors in that they don't bother me. And I grant them the same courtesy.
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07-07-2008 13:08
From: 3Ring Binder
ACK! why are you all indulging this nonsense? :confused:
It seems like the deviant thing to do at the moment. (^_^)y
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07-07-2008 13:08
From: 3Ring Binder
ACK! why are you all indulging this nonsense? :confused:


It was th' lunch hour, I tink. 'lease f'r some.
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07-07-2008 13:09
get out Mari. this is no place for a nice girl like you. =\
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07-07-2008 13:10
From: Kokoro Fasching
Just seems a bit odd when the OP was saying this just 2 years ago:


Necro-pwned!
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Ai Kikuchiyo
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07-07-2008 13:10
From: Kokoro Fasching
Just seems a bit odd when the OP was saying this just 2 years ago:


That is also completely immaterial to the current issue. Stop the trolling.
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07-07-2008 13:11
From: Ai Kikuchiyo
That is also completely material to the current issue.
Fixed. :D

Nimby.
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07-07-2008 13:11
since she's busted, let's all quit indulging this trollish nonsense.

DELETE this thread! it's just awful, senseless and a foundation for trouble.
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07-07-2008 13:11
From: 3Ring Binder
get out Mari. this is no place for a nice girl like you. =\


/me wanders off, knowing that the adults get all the fun.
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07-07-2008 13:12
From: Kokoro Fasching
Just seems a bit odd when the OP was saying this just 2 years ago:


Pure poetry.. Thank you Kokoro!
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