BOT places! List them here!

Least your bots are laughing with you and not at you.

/me claps for Darien!


/me thinks at least we 3 are in agreement.

Have you seen my products and services? If you have, then your view of them is not shared by others, but I don't think you have a view of them, or you've lied about it. You just a desire to throw stones. Sad.

You continue to miss the point.





No conscience? I guess let your conscience guide you would be a moot point then.

Nope, havn't seen them, and I have no intentions of doing it. All should know what I think of bot places, and if I get to one, I leave at once, so why should go there?
It's sad for you, that you have to use bots for profiling you, this must mean, that you have a problem with your products IMHO.

So, even though you've never seen my products and/or services, you declare that I have a "sad lack of decent products and service". Do you have a brain?

There's no image there, but I don't miss any points. Concience indeed! lmao. You're just weird.

So what have we learned in this thread? Several things.

1. Nobody seems to want a list of places that use bots.

2. Of the people who post in the forum, there is not a big difference between the number of anti-bot people and the couldn't care less people. The anti-bot people tend to write more posts, but that doesn't add to their numbers.

3. It was well and truly established that the measure of avatar minutes on a parcel (traffic) does not, and never did, equate to the popularity of a place, regardless of what people may or may not imagine, and regardless off what LL use the traffic metric for.

All in all, I think it's been quite a worthwhile thread.

Oh yes, I sure do..... But do you have products, that can live without bots?

I certainly do. Go and see for yourself. Or even read these forums - you'll find it here too in various threads. I wrote a few days ago that I'd tested a few days without bots, and sales were down by around 20%. If you read the forums, you'll know how much I make from the store, and you'll easily see that no bots would mean less money for me, but would still allow me to take thousands of US$ every month from SL.

It helps to at least check before making judgements like the one you made But when the purpose is just to throw stones, there's no real need to check - it's just brainless.

41 bots may or may not be an issue (I don't honestly know), but we need to be careful about over reacting to bots. I've been trying to get my husband into SL for weeks. He finally went in one night and sat on a camping pad. The owner came in and ejected and banned him because he thought he could tell the difference between a bot and a noob who stepped away from the keyboard for 5.

News flash. Everyone leaves their avatar unattended sometimes, and not everyone belongs to groups or takes nice profile photos!

The end result is that the user who ejected my husband lost some traffic that he was willing to pay for, and he undid weeks of my own work urging to get my husgand to try SL! And just to be clear, I will never, ever, under any circumstances, at any time, with any incentive EVER buy anything from him.

Maybe we should chill a bit on this issue. Frankly, the misinformed merchant would have been far better off hosting a bot or my husband's noob avatar than an experienced user with flex hair and bling and attachments everywhere. And he might have thought twice if he had to listen to my husbands rant afterward!

Here's an example of the type of thoughtless behavior we need to avoid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIVVz-de0Pc&feature=related

This hurts real people.

Sandy

Ah yes, the old "I repeated it fifty times so it's been well and truly established as fact" line of reasoning. I'm not sure which is more pathetic, the inability to grasp simple ethical principles, or the megalomania. Next up, Phil well and truly establishes as fact that global warming is fake, the moon landing never happened, and that aliens are sending him telepathic messages from space. Stay tuned!

maybe we can somehow blame SL camping bots for Global Warming.

No. Next up was Chip being silly.

Just for you Chip...
Only a brain dead person could think that traffic, the way it is measured, is a measure of a place's popularity, but if that's what you choose to think.....

I don't understand the thinking of the person who ejected your husband. It's true that many people who run camp pads want only real people on them, but nobody could possibly think that real people camp, and then sit and watch the screen all the time, and are permanently ready to talk to people. It's just rubbish thinking, but it's their choice. There's plenty of rubbish thinking around SL.

Yes there is an image there and one in your reply as well, Fix your settings or your computer to see photos.

No I am not weird. It is not weird to dislike business deception. You are just very dense when it comes to what should be an obvious question of honesty or business ethics. Your furniture should sell itself without the need to game the system.

Only a brain dead person could think that the system that was designed to be a measure of a place's popularity actually does so?

That is a strange assertion. How would someone who had spent no time in SL to know the system had been corrupted by people gaming it?

Whatever the traffic system is now, it was originally an attempt to measure popularity. I will guarantee that because it still DID MEASURE POPULARITY when I started Second Life.

Again. Sure it did. You just weren't around for it. Stop trying to pretend Second Life began when you got here.

I still see no picture, and yet I see all the other pictures that are posted. I was only aware there was supposed to be a picture when I quoted you and saw the url. Even putting that into a browser didn't come up with a picture. What can I say?

Actually, I do think you're weird quite apart from this thread. But that aside, what you really mean is that I am dense because I don't see things the way you see them. All I can say to that is... aaaw.

Oh, btw, my furniture sells very well without the use of bots. If you read before you write, you'd know that

I see the picture just fine Rebecca.

Phil, Possibly, once in a while, you might consider refraining from throwing in personal attacks with your "rebuttal" posts.

The image is just an imageshack photo and not a particularly intensive one that would take time to load. I see it quite well. It has a real basic message for you about deception and conscience and a good one too.

You must think you are just like any other business person, but you are just following and creating an example of business pollution, where anything goes and all is fair for the almighty business advantage. The best businesses, RL or Sl, are those that stick to ethical behavior without having to sully themselves with stupid deceptions.

Not only does that kind of attitude damage RL and effect everyone and perpetuate misery in the real world, wallowing in a lowest common denominator, it turns SL into just more of the same and destroys it's credibility and defeats what many saw more conceptually idealistic then others, willing to game it.

As far as me being wierd, no Phil I am not wierd at all. your inability to understand, abstract thought, ideals, or a sense of right and wrong is deficient.

No, Rebecca. I just think you're weird, that's all. Your kind of thinking is weird - you're against anything and everything to do with SL and LL, and that's just weird, but it's the way you are, so it's no big deal.

Well, if it's a message from you to me, it's probably best left unseen

This is where you get it all wrong. You see, SL was never designed or intended to be the way you decribed. Some people hope and intend it to be that way, but that's just some people. Other people hope and intend it to be something different, and that's just some people too. Nobody is right and nobody is wrong. But you know what? SL is big enough for all the different intentions. If you don't like what some people make their parts of SL, avoid those parts. I'm sorry that some of the ways of the world are so abhorrent to you, but SL is plenty big enough for you to avoid them. Easy init?

Anything else I can help you with?

Hmm, the impression I get reading this is Phil's and other's belief is that pretty much anything goes in pursuit of the almighty buck...


Such as twisting a system the lindens intended for measuring popularity into a tool to game searches for more people to see their items/location first.

And if the traffic bots go away and your sales begin dropping.... well that is a good indication your use of bots is why you get a percent of your sales

Also since the lindens can be converted to real money, and everyone on the service is a person... it's affecting people. After all you got to pay taxes on the income and file the proper tax forms for it as well when you make money (when you turn it into cash in your bank account)

Not "pretty much anything", but certainly some things that a few people don't like. SL isn't a game. It's an environment in which all sorts of things happen - including RL business.

Yep. Nothing new there. It's been happening ever since the very first search engines appeared. It's normal business practice. But "using" is a much more accurate word than "twisting", because the Lindens didn't create a measure of popularity when they created the traffic metric. They created a measure of avatar minutes on a parcel of land and used it, wrongly, for popularity. So nobody is twisting a popularity metric because there isn't one. If you really want to use the word "twisting", then it's LL who twisted things by using the traffic metric as a measure of popularity.

Yep. Bots are the cause of a percentage of sales.

Yep.

Yes, but now the question is how RL advertising and business laws apply here.

It could be argued that your use of the bots or campers is a deceptive business practice, subject to RL punishments.

And it's hardly using the system Phil, when companies like Google delist companies daily for "using" the system. And since the Linden Labs based information indicate it was meant for something, well that takes precedent over someone's current use as to the intent. It's like saying a kitchen knife is intended to be a weapon, when the maker meant it to be used for cutting vegetables.