i don't understand the desire of having a gun in Secondlife
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Dario Mesyats
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10-15-2006 05:42
i don't understand the desire of having a gun in Secondlife
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Kyrah Abattoir
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10-15-2006 06:39
they can be fun, and everybody can decide what they want to do here
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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10-15-2006 07:20
Pretending to shoot guns is great fun for many people.
In SL the gunfire can be accompanied by all sorts of special effects that make it even more fun. I think it goes beyond just simulated violence, it appeals to our nature as object manipulating creatures. We are made to pick things up and throw them, to launch projectiles, enjoy the pattern of ballistic trajectories. We play ball, skip stones across lakes. Guns are a form of throwing aid. The vast bulk of behavior I observe in Second Life consists of stationary avatars and chat. Shooting involves more physical action and engages one on a more visceral level than standing still and typing. You can find the Linden operated combat sims by typing Combat into the big map's region search field. The Jesse sim is a combat area. Other places to play fight can be found by putting terms like combat in the Search dialog. One thing about wearing or displaying objects that look like guns in SL: so many people have taken so much aggravation from people wearing gun objects using them to cause misery that many people don't even want to see them. Doesn't matter if you don't intend to misuse them, doesn't matter that the same scripts can be put into an earring, the association exists, so if you don't want to get treated like you have made trouble or are going to make trouble, best plan on detaching your guns a good bit of the time in many places. _____________________
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Ceera Murakami
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10-15-2006 08:09
I have no problems with responsible gun use in approved areas, in RL or in Second Life. If people in SL want to play with guns in Jesse, or Rausch, or some approved combat arena, they can go right ahead. But I won't voluntarily go anywhere near those SL venues. Playing with guns is NOT what I come to SL to be involved with. If someone wears guns in the residential sims that I manage, they will be asked to remove the guns, or they must leave. If they fire a gun anywhere in the sim, they are immediately AR'ed, ejected and banned.
I have a serious problem with people who think it's perfectly OK to wander all over SL while wearing weapons, and especially with griefers who treat everyone else in SL as if we were nothing more than computer-generated NPC targets in their personal shooting gallery. Unfortunately, the griefers have, by their irresponsible actions, made anyone who is displaying a weapon in an inappropriate area a suspect and a prime candidate for being banned from the area, before they have time to reach for their gun and fire. In RL I have played paintball and laser tag - I know how much fun it can be to shoot at other folks, and to have them shoot back, while knowing you won't be harmed. That's OK, provided it's being done on an approved paintball range, and that everyone there is a willing participant. (Which should be the case on any approved range.) But if I was a merchant in a store, or a pedestrian in downtown, just walking along minding my own business, and some moron started firing a paintball gun at me and the people and things around me? I'd be VERY upset, and would most likely take his toy from him and feed him his ammunition, one shot at a time, followed by the rest of the gun. _____________________
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Seola Sassoon
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10-15-2006 08:30
I've tinkered around in the combat areas a bit, just cause it's fun to chase people if there's a good group.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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10-15-2006 08:57
How on earth would I defend myself against sharks otherwise? Do be serious about this.
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Erin Talamasca
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10-15-2006 17:27
Kyrah and Ordinal gave the best possible answers to this. I fail to see how any further discussion can possibly take the topic further after that
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Foolish Frost
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10-15-2006 17:46
I've got a gun that shoots money.
Never been accused of griefing yet... I just need to get linden approval to shoot it in the welcome area for a 1/2 hour some time. The confusion should be amusing. |
Susie Boffin
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10-15-2006 19:49
I have no problems at all with gun users in Second life. When I catch them on my land I freeze, eject and ban them them after an appropriate period of scolding.
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Foolish Frost
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10-15-2006 20:02
I have no problems at all with gun users in Second life. When I catch them on my land I freeze, eject and ban them them after an appropriate period of scolding. ![]() <offers hurt look> But... I was just sharing the wealth! |
Ralph Doctorow
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10-15-2006 20:13
Thank you for reminding me to buy one of Ordinal's bee guns.
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Ishtara Rothschild
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10-15-2006 20:51
Where can I buy a shark to defend myself against?
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Brendan Cunningham
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10-18-2006 01:18
What about ethical griefing?
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Earl Zabibha
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10-18-2006 13:42
I get so tired of hearing everyone tell me to remove my gun when I am in uniform, as a police officer in SL. I am a police officer in RL and no one tells me to remove my gun when i go places. well I did have one and I just looked at her like she was the dumbiest $*@!# in the world and her boss jumped all over her like whe was as well.
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Ceera Murakami
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10-18-2006 14:04
{EDIT} Note: The post that I was responding to here has been deleted. It referred to people asking a person in a police uniform to remove their weapon. {/EDIT}
Earl, in the Real World, it is highly unlikely that a person who you meet on the street and who is wearing the uniform of a law enforcement officer would be anything other than legitimate. As you should be well aware, there are strict laws, stringently enforced, against impersonating a police officer. Therefore, if one sees a person in a police uniform in the Real World, one assumes they are legitimate, and that they are an on-duty officer who is SUPPOSED to be carrying a gun, is trained in the legal uses of that weapon, and who will only draw and fire that gun under appropriate circumstances. In SL, any person who wants to can join as many "Police" groups as they want, and can wear any uniform that they want, and carry any weapons that they want, and there is absolutely NO enforcement over their behavior, or over the right to wear that uniform. Just this last week, an individual who belonged to no less than half a dozen SL groups that had "POLICE" in their name used a scripted attack dog to commit assault on an avatar (one of my alts) that looked like a baby girl fox. Now what sort of jackass siccs a dog on a toddler in a pink pinafore who teleports into a public pet store and says "Doggy!"? Certainly NOT a legitimate police officer like yourself! Unfortunately, griefers often love to belong to "Police" and "Military" groups, and love to wear uniforms. So, since the average resident in SL has absolutely NO reason to believe that a police uniform in SL or membership in a "Police" SL group is any more significant than wearing a pink and green "Cat in the hat" hat, it's the weapon that they focus on, and object to. I'm afraid that under the current circumstances, regardless of your RL occupation or your behavior otherwise, if you enter a sim that I manage and are wearing a gun, you will either have to remove the gun, or remove yourself. I have no other way to ensure that the peace and tranquility of the sims I manage will not be disrupted, and there is absolutely NO legitimate use for a firearm anywhere in the sims that I manage. No 'Police Force' has jurisdiction to operate anywhere in SL, unless the sim owner or estate owner grants it to them. You are NOT an "On Duty Officer" in SL, unless you are in a sim that has granted you that right as part of their roleplaying. And even then, no one else has to accept your "authority". In Real Life, I am certain that you would never consider walking around in street clothes with your service weapon strapped on your hip in plain view, and without any sort of valid badge or police identification or concealed carry permit on you, would you? But that is what you do in SL, because wearing that uniform in SL means nothing at all. Anyone could wear it. _____________________
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Jeremiah North
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10-18-2006 14:07
I get so tired of hearing everyone tell me to remove my gun when I am in uniform, as a police officer in SL. I am a police officer in RL and no one tells me to remove my gun when i go places. well I did have one and I just looked at her like she was the dumbiest $*@!# in the world and her boss jumped all over her like whe was as well. Let's bear a few things in mind. In SL, you are not in the United States, and not functioning as a peace officer, enforcing laws on behalf of the people. Each little bit of land here is governed - within the TOS - by the owners of said land. They can pretty much make up whatever rules they wish. Another factor - a frequent problem of clubs in SL are attacks by griefers, who, for whatever reason, tend to come in bearing guns and causing trouble. Rather than debate who gets to wear guns and who doesn't, many places simply ban wearing them openly. Considering you still have the gun in inventory, you could call it a concealed carry. Wearing a gun has no official functon of any kind anywhere in SL, it's only uses are perhaps self-defense and role-play or fun. Lots of folks simply don't want guns on their land, and within the TOS (the constitution, if you will) it's their right. Putting aside what some people want SL to be, it is not presently a democracy and has no Second Amendment. SL doesn't really need a police force, in my opinion, because it would have to be based on those who choose to be under it's purvey, and since not everyone will so choose, it effectively renders the whole endeavour meaningless. The Lindens are the cops here, in a manner of speaking, instead. UPDATE: Ok Ceera already said this while I was writing. Clearly I need to type faster or at least put mittens on others to slow them down . ![]() _____________________
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Angelique LaFollette
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10-18-2006 20:55
I've seen a Multitude of weapons systems since i have been in SL from swords and Knives to Guns, Cannons, and Atom Bombs. A friend of mine has a Gun that switches between two kinds of Ammunition, Dildo's, and Furry Porn Magazines.I even recently obtained a Gun that fires Exploding Lemmings, But by Far, my all time favorite Gun is my Watermelon Launcher. It's exactly what it sounds like, and it'a a Freebie. My Favorite game with it is an aerial battle, Both parties levitate to thier Max Hover hight, and hang some distance from one another, fifty yards or more, and Lob Melons at each other. Your position is never stable as each time you launch a melon, the Kickback makes you Drift. A combination of wind and distance makes some Grasp of Balistic theory a Must. and add to that your Opponent WILL be Dodging, and Firing at you at the same time. It's a Great game, Non leathal and the Melons Poof after a Moment so you don't Clutter the sim.
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Alazarin Mondrian
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10-19-2006 01:00
Don't forget the Taco launcher XD
but seriously..... [QUOTE]Why people buy or use weapons in this game ?[/QUOTE] The Philosophical answer: because they come from an RL culture that places a positive value on weapon ownership, use and display. The Personal answer: because they're brain-dead morons who can't think of anything else to do with themselves. _____________________
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Victoria Blum
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10-19-2006 01:14
well there are some weapon systems that don't work unless you have the proper tags on, like Safezone. If I wanted to I could hit somebody with my whip and it won't affect them unless the are wearing the proper tags for it.
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Morwen Bunin
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10-19-2006 02:52
I get so tired of hearing everyone tell me to remove my gun when I am in uniform, as a police officer in SL. I am a police officer in RL and no one tells me to remove my gun when i go places. well I did have one and I just looked at her like she was the dumbiest $*@!# in the world and her boss jumped all over her like whe was as well. Well... on my land your uniform (or any uniform) has no authority. So if you walk on to my land and I ask you friendly to remove your weapon and you denie to listen to my friendly request, you are no more welcome on my land and I will use the authority I have there, meaning moving you to the banlist. May sound harsh, but that is the way I deal with it. Morwen. |
Kris Ritter
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10-19-2006 03:21
I love it when people expose themselves as the self righteous pricks they are. Never mind whether I shoot it, I can't WEAR a gun on your land?! Good job I have no fucking intention of ever setting foot on it then.
Fuckheads with opinions like this will never see a L$ of trade from me. Why the fuck should you be allowed to dictate to me whether I can wear a gun as part of my outfit? Fuck you and the high horse you rode in on. |
Morwen Bunin
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10-19-2006 03:23
I love it when people expose themselves as the self righteous pricks they are. Never mind whether I shoot it, I can't WEAR a gun on your land?! Good job I have no fucking intention of ever setting foot on it then. Fuckheads with opinions like this will never see a L$ of trade from me. Why the fuck should you be allowed to dictate to me whether I can wear a gun as part of my outfit? Fuck you and the high horse you rode in on. LOL... You just show exactly why I want people as you not on my land. Rude people are not welcome there. Morwen. |
Kris Ritter
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10-19-2006 03:27
LOL... You just show exactly why I want people as you not on my land. Rude people are not welcome there. Don't worry, I have zero intention of ever going there ![]() |
Morwen Bunin
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10-19-2006 03:39
Don't worry, I have zero intention of ever going there ![]() Great. Are we both happy ![]() Morwen. |
Alien Sun
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10-19-2006 05:25
I just love it when morally bankrupt people hide behind agressive libertarianism yada, yada, yada.....
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