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Growdile Qian
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05-16-2007 19:54
Edit : Removed it myself
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Dnali Anabuki
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05-16-2007 19:58
I'm just fine with it. I don't think I will need it as I am like the OP. Museums, art gallery, education, discussion, building...too busy to explore adult content...and it is just not my thing.
If grid wide verification becomes necessary, I still won't mind..I monitor my identity pretty closely cause I figure my other online buying puts me at some risk all the time. |
Lilbit Nervous
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05-16-2007 19:58
They also said something about US residents providing the last four digits of their SSN. It's people outside the US who will need passports, national ID cards and driving licence information and I fail to see how that stops a minor verifying anymore than credit card does. It doesn't. My real assumption, as I've said all along, is your linden heroes are selling your information to a political deployment group, since it's all going through a political deployment group, and stolen IDs are LESS traceable then stolen CC #s |
Growdile Qian
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05-16-2007 20:04
snip.. If grid wide verification becomes necessary, I still won't mind..I monitor my identity pretty closely cause I figure my other online buying puts me at some risk all the time. /snip Do you suply your SS/NI number, Passport details and or Driving Licence details to those companies? Or just credit card details? You can have your identity stolen via some crook going into your bins and taking letters- let alone subjecting details on a site well known for security mishaps! _____________________
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Sir Snookums
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05-16-2007 20:08
Um... Sir? You do realize that you don't HAVE to verify, right? They're not forcing you to do so. Wait, is this for all of the new accounts, or the current ones too? If I don't verify, I wouldn't be allowed into the Mature sims, or am I wrong on this one? _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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05-16-2007 20:08
It doesn't. My real assumption, as I've said all along, is your linden heroes are selling your information to a political deployment group, since it's all going through a political deployment group, and stolen IDs are LESS traceable then stolen CC #s _____________________
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Yumi Murakami
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05-16-2007 20:08
Wait, is this for all of the new accounts, or the current ones too? If I don't verify, I wouldn't be allowed into the Mature sims, or am I wrong on this one? If you don't verify you will be allowed into Mature sims but not Adult areas. It will apply equally to current and new accounts. |
Ciaran Laval
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05-16-2007 20:13
Wait, is this for all of the new accounts, or the current ones too? If I don't verify, I wouldn't be allowed into the Mature sims, or am I wrong on this one? You won't be allowed into some mature sims if they are flagged as adult (rather than mature). Whether a parcel adjacent to an adult sim will need to be flagged adult too is not yet clear and there is confusion regarding private islands but on the mainland if you stay well away from an adult sim you won't need to verify. Until of course someone is caught doing something dodgy in a Mature or PG area and then everyone will have to verify. |
Lilbit Nervous
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05-16-2007 20:15
Could you please explain what you mean by the term "Political Deployment Group"? You have used it quite a bit , and I'm not sure what you mean by it. I took it directly from Aristotle's website *owners of integrity which SL is using to ID verify*, they specialize in creating campaigns and political targeting for major political groups around the world, including Canada, the UK and the USA, it's own by a high ranking American government official. |
Ciaran Laval
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05-16-2007 20:17
I keep seeing statements from LL that Integrity won't have access to the data. They are a third party company, so something has to be in it for them, they're not going to do it for the love of it.
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Stitcher Sellery
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05-16-2007 20:21
I am all for age verification for reason already listed within other threads. However I wanted to comment on your suggestion to increase 'religions' prescence within SL. This is a very bad idea IMO and I dont think politics or religion have any place in SL. As soon as somebody takes it upon themelves to express there religious beliefs then I feel duty bound to express mine and thats how conflict starts, either on a personal level (i've lost friends in RL because of argueing about religion) or conflict on a social level i.e. Germany invading Poland in 1939 springs to mind and that didnt work out too well for anyone. So I say, keep your religious preferences to your (real) personal life and keep them out of Second Life. I'd just like to say that religions are not just about God, there are other religions too... if they can express sex in SL, then others should have the right and the freedom to express their religion, which ever it be. An adult should be able to discuss religion in an adult fashion, but... I reckon that's a pipe dream. I am glad that there will be restrictions for the 'adult' stuff. I think it can be a good thing. Since I don't visit them, I won't have to worry about giving too much information (which I am hesitant to do - and it still doesn't prove that someone is an adult - kids know how to snag their parents DL or what ever, it's not hard). |
Lilbit Nervous
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05-16-2007 20:23
I keep seeing statements from LL that Integrity won't have access to the data. They are a third party company, so something has to be in it for them, they're not going to do it for the love of it. LL keeps saying THEY wont have access to the information, they've never once said integrity wont have access to it, since they process it, they HAVE to have access to it |
Dnali Anabuki
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05-16-2007 21:54
You make cybersex sound like it is a terrible thing. You make it sound like all those people populating the nude beaches are suddenly going to have an epiphany and go from running around in their pixel nudity to attending the latest seminar on Aristotle's epistemology. Sure. But why even concern yourself with what others are doing? If they want to run around a nude area boinking each other virtually, then let be happy. If others want to attend your museums and discuss whether a certain work is derivative or original, then let them. Don't judge, criticize, or condemn. Focus on how you behave. I can only conclude that you are either a hopeless idealist or you are a virtual fascist. Frankly though, your comments are sounding a bit too much like fascism with a smile. Wow, name calling! Anyway, I think the concern was more that SL was being seen as mainly about people who enjoy cybersex and there are a lot of other things that people do here. And I'm sure many people who enjoy cybersex also have other interests such as art and museums..I don't think they are mutually exclusive interests. |
Stitcher Sellery
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05-16-2007 21:57
This is just my 'skeptical' opinion, but does anyone else see this age verification thing as blanket used to 'protect' LL/Integrity from being sued by an annoyed parent? I mean you can request any type of information, no guarantees that it's really an adult. Kids are smart, they know how to get around the system AND their parents. Just something to ponder.
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Allison Selene
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05-16-2007 22:54
Wow, name calling! Anyway, I think the concern was more that SL was being seen as mainly about people who enjoy cybersex and there are a lot of other things that people do here. And I'm sure many people who enjoy cybersex also have other interests such as art and museums..I don't think they are mutually exclusive interests. True. But I bet the percentages of intellectual philosopher cybersexer's is fairly low. ![]() _____________________
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Rusalka Renoir
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05-16-2007 23:32
True. But I bet the percentages of intellectual philosopher cybersexer's is fairly low. ![]() If I became a philosopher, if I have so keenly sought this fame for which I'm still waiting, it's all been to seduce women basically. - Jean-paul Satre ![]() |
Matthew Dowd
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05-17-2007 00:15
This is just my 'skeptical' opinion, but does anyone else see this age verification thing as blanket used to 'protect' LL/Integrity from being sued by an annoyed parent? I mean you can request any type of information, no guarantees that it's really an adult. Kids are smart, they know how to get around the system AND their parents. Just something to ponder. Does the verification mechanism proposed really add any more protection then there already is? There is clearly a grid for >18 and one for <18. You have to confirm you are >18 to enter the main Grid and be >18 according to the TOS - any <18 entering the main grid is acting irresponsibly and illegally (they are lying about their age, and in violation of contract). There's a clear defense and counter-suit there, plus ultimately parents can't/shouldn't avoid all responsibiliy for the children in their care. As has been pointed out credit card on file should be enough. I know that possession of a credit card is not guarantee of being over 18, but any responsible parent who has allowed a minor a credit card would surely be keeping an close eye what it is being used for! As such any child who has been on the main grid for a length of time using a credit card has either "acquired" someone elses or has been given a credit card with no or lttle parental oversight. |
Rusalka Renoir
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05-17-2007 00:26
Does the verification mechanism proposed really add any more protection then there already is? There is clearly a grid for >18 and one for <18. You have to confirm you are >18 to enter the main Grid and be >18 according to the TOS - any <18 entering the main grid is acting irresponsibly and illegally (they are lying about their age, and in violation of contract). There's a clear defense and counter-suit there, plus ultimately parents can't/shouldn't avoid all responsibiliy for the children in their care. As has been pointed out credit card on file should be enough. I know that possession of a credit card is not guarantee of being over 18, but any responsible parent who has allowed a minor a credit card would surely be keeping an close eye what it is being used for! As such any child who has been on the main grid for a length of time using a credit card has either "acquired" someone elses or has been given a credit card with no or lttle parental oversight. Nail - on the head. |
CobaltBlue Mill
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05-17-2007 02:13
True. But I bet the percentages of intellectual philosopher cybersexer's is fairly low. ![]() It's a lonely job but somebody has to do it. I just wish that person was me |
BrunoOlsen Oh
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05-17-2007 03:49
reading this thread gives me the destinct feeling that only creative people should be allowed into SL, and there should be a panel of judges deciding what is creativity and what is not - a panel consisting of elitists that think they would die if they even see a regular cofee cup. Sorry, but thats the feeling I get
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VirLucis Hush
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05-17-2007 04:25
We never said get rid of anything we don't consider 'creative' Bruno...I don't know how many times we have to repeat it - probably another five or six though.
As for political deployment groups - who really gives a damn if you get some demographically targeted information from your local council or national politicans? They already have that information you know - yes, for ALL of you... |
Colette Meiji
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05-17-2007 05:18
Um... Sir? You do realize that you don't HAVE to verify, right? They're not forcing you to do so. not yet |
Colette Meiji
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05-17-2007 05:22
Wait, is this for all of the new accounts, or the current ones too? If I don't verify, I wouldn't be allowed into the Mature sims, or am I wrong on this one? Its for all accounts. You wont be able to access mature parcels that are tagged Adult only - Meaning any parcel that has Adult content that the Land Owner has followed the rules and flagged. When this hits you will be reduced in access status equal to a day 1 unverified noobie. |
Morwen Bunin
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05-17-2007 05:26
As for political deployment groups - who really gives a damn if you get some demographically targeted information from your local council or national politicans? They already have that information you know - yes, for ALL of you... Ahh... and because of that I need to break the laws of my own country and transfer information to a data mining company with the risk of identity theft? Just because you want your "creative" SL? Don't think so.... Apart from that... yes, I do mind getting information I don't ask for. I signed up with Dutch organisation so I don't get un-adressed mail in my mailbox. There is sticker on the mailbox, telling that un-adressed mail is not welcome. My provider has a spam-filter to get mail I didn't ask for away from me (and does that very well). And then sudden I should like it to get some targeted information from who ever? Again, don't think so... Edit: And why if they have already that information for ALL of us...... then why do those data mining companies so big business???? To scrap something togteher that was not available would be my good guess. Morwen. |
Brenda Connolly
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05-17-2007 05:29
Its for all accounts. You wont be able to access mature parcels that are tagged Adult only - Meaning any parcel that has Adult content that the Land Owner has followed the rules and flagged. When this hits you will be reduced in access status equal to a day 1 unverified noobie. Well at least one person admits to visiting Mature areas. I was beginning to wonder after seeing all the "Verifying is not an issue for me as I have no interest in Adult content" posts. ![]() _____________________
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