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How many others are happy with age verification?

Morwen Bunin
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05-16-2007 10:40
From: Mandy Carbenell
*points at Morwen* ;)


*studies the finger pointing at her*

Sorry, that is not a sticky finger. So no biting for you.

Morwen.
Morwen Bunin
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05-16-2007 10:43
From: Jig Chippewa
And Morwen ... when you and I go on trial in SL for biting fingers and other weird behaviour I am gonna blame it all on you. Lol!!

Pffttt.... what is new there? People are doing that all my life already :P.

From: Jig Chippewa
Lol Mandy, don't encourage Morwen. It is getting to be like back row of Sunday School.

To be honest I a gerat time there.... and most likely also the reason I was not was welcome there anymore... (Ough, my mother was sooooo angry with me :P ).

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Wynx Whiplash
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05-16-2007 10:43
I'll gladly accept age verification and I'm truly suprised at the animosity towards the idea. LL gets to cover their butts legally and everyone in mature areas can guarantee themselves some peace from griefers and will belong to a semi-exculsive club where all involved AGREE that everything (legal) goes. It's more freedom, not less. And everyone is free not to verify. I don't believe I will, although LL already knows quite a bit more about me than my age. It's not the privacy issue, it's just that I'm just not into the cyber sex market. That's my preference, NOT a moral judgement. And I'm kinda notoriously cheap. "Under $10" is a lot of money! ;D But it will weed out the folks who truly do enjoy the lifestyle from the folks who are merely an audience and who have no intention of contributing.

All I'm asking is see how things play out before the outrage. The inconvenience might improve the adult industry greatly.
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Ciaran Laval
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05-16-2007 10:51
From: Morwen Bunin
I said it before, but I will repeat it: I am not allowed to transfer any information on my passport to any person or organisation which are not pointed out by the Dutch Government. One US company gathered information about people, doesn't hold the approval of the Dutch Government.

I quote from my passport: "This passport is the propety of the State of The Netherlands. The Bearer of this passport may pass it to a third party only if there is a statutory obligation to do so."

And I was assured this goes for the object "passport", as information in it.

(First I thought I would "be discouraged to". Talking with some law people showed me that I am not allowed to)

Morwen.


Interesting, never looked it that way but mine says similar:

"This passport remains the property of Her Majesty's Government of the United Kingdom and may be withdrawn at any time. It should not be tampered with or passed to an unauthorised person."

I'm assuming that LL and Integrity have therefore been authorised by Her Majesty's Government!
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05-16-2007 11:05
Personally, I'm not for age verification in the form it's being presented because I refuse to give that kind of information over the internet. And since I have a sex life IRL I don't need to go to SL to get my kicks so the areas that will be flagged "adult" aren't places I would go anyway, thus making it irrelevant to me.

I think the current setup being pushed is intrusive and not neccessary since the intended effect could be just as easily acheived with the cell phone/cc verification setup I went through in 2005 when I first signed up. There's no way to prevent the under 18 crowd from getting on the main grid. Maybe someone should have brought this up at the meeting where they announced they were going to take away verification!

However, I, like the OP, am looking forward to the inevitable purge of sex from SL. Not because it's offensive to me so much as it's a waste of space in SL. If people weren't so desperate to supress their feelings of loneliness and inability to connect with people IRL then maybe they'd put some of their creative energy into things that could actually enhance society in general and SL in particular.

My hope is that with all the people that will be leaving to get their internet sex elsewhere it will open up plenty of room for actual creativity and looking up seemingly harmless subjects on search won't come up with a bunch of garbage with only a couple of decent entries.

The way I look at it is this: While I would never want to see a nuclear holocaust, I know one is coming and I'm looking forward to being able to start over...because I have a fallout shelter!!
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Yumi Murakami
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05-16-2007 11:09
From: SqueezeOne Pow

However, I, like the OP, am looking forward to the inevitable purge of sex from SL. Not because it's offensive to me so much as it's a waste of space in SL. If people weren't so desperate to supress their feelings of loneliness and inability to connect with people IRL then maybe they'd put some of their creative energy into things that could actually enhance society in general and SL in particular.


Um, but how will preventing them from suppressing it, lead to them being less desperate to?..
Lilbit Nervous
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05-16-2007 11:09
Anyone who is happy with the age verification is either:
1. A kid with a stolen ID
2. An ignorant fool who is unwilling to explore the company they are giving their vital documents to
3. A mentally challanged person so addicted to SL that they are willing to risk their RL just to play a game.
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05-16-2007 11:12
From: Yumi Murakami
Um, but how will preventing them from suppressing it, lead to them being less desperate to?..


I don't need to say that SL isn't the only place to get your kicks on the internet. If you're that desperate you'll find what you're looking for ANYWHERE!
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Meade Paravane
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05-16-2007 11:14
From: Wynx Whiplash
All I'm asking is see how things play out before the outrage.

But.. but.. but.. Forums need outrage!!

I'm well over 18 (but not THAT old) and have given, as required, my complete SSN to every company I've worked at. My credit card auth info gets looked at every single time I use it - both online and IRL. I'm unconvinced that this new deal poses any great risk to my identity.

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05-16-2007 11:15
From: SqueezeOne Pow
Personally, I'm not for age verification in the form it's being presented because I refuse to give that kind of information over the internet. And since I have a sex life IRL I don't need to go to SL to get my kicks so the areas that will be flagged "adult" aren't places I would go anyway, thus making it irrelevant to me.

I think the current setup being pushed is intrusive and not neccessary since the intended effect could be just as easily acheived with the cell phone/cc verification setup I went through in 2005 when I first signed up. There's no way to prevent the under 18 crowd from getting on the main grid. Maybe someone should have brought this up at the meeting where they announced they were going to take away verification!

However, I, like the OP, am looking forward to the inevitable purge of sex from SL. Not because it's offensive to me so much as it's a waste of space in SL. If people weren't so desperate to supress their feelings of loneliness and inability to connect with people IRL then maybe they'd put some of their creative energy into things that could actually enhance society in general and SL in particular.

My hope is that with all the people that will be leaving to get their internet sex elsewhere it will open up plenty of room for actual creativity and looking up seemingly harmless subjects on search won't come up with a bunch of garbage with only a couple of decent entries.

The way I look at it is this: While I would never want to see a nuclear holocaust, I know one is coming and I'm looking forward to being able to start over...because I have a fallout shelter!!



LOL

*reads it again*

LOL

The second half of this Post is either an Attempt at Comedy -

Or its just Idiotic
Lilbit Nervous
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05-16-2007 11:19
From: VirLucis Hush


For those interested - you can find my museums/gallery by searching for 'Death by Design'; 'Vodou House Museum'; or 'Lucis Chapel'. .


Your gallarys have violent images, and are therefore adult,
remember, it's sex OR violence for flagging, so, you are happy, but, your membership is gunna die.
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05-16-2007 11:20
From: Colette Meiji
LOL

*reads it again*

LOL

The second half of this Post is either an Attempt at Comedy -

Or its just Idiotic


Glad you could contribute to the conversation...once again.
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Lilbit Nervous
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05-16-2007 11:23
From: SqueezeOne Pow
Personally, I'm not for age verification in the form it's being presented because I refuse to give that kind of information over the internet. And since I have a sex life IRL I don't need to go to SL to get my kicks so the areas that will be flagged "adult" aren't places I would go anyway, thus making it irrelevant to me.

I think the current setup being pushed is intrusive and not neccessary since the intended effect could be just as easily acheived with the cell phone/cc verification setup I went through in 2005 when I first signed up. There's no way to prevent the under 18 crowd from getting on the main grid. Maybe someone should have brought this up at the meeting where they announced they were going to take away verification!

However, I, like the OP, am looking forward to the inevitable purge of sex from SL. Not because it's offensive to me so much as it's a waste of space in SL. If people weren't so desperate to supress their feelings of loneliness and inability to connect with people IRL then maybe they'd put some of their creative energy into things that could actually enhance society in general and SL in particular.

My hope is that with all the people that will be leaving to get their internet sex elsewhere it will open up plenty of room for actual creativity and looking up seemingly harmless subjects on search won't come up with a bunch of garbage with only a couple of decent entries.

The way I look at it is this: While I would never want to see a nuclear holocaust, I know one is coming and I'm looking forward to being able to start over...because I have a fallout shelter!!


Heil Squeeze,
maybe we should completely control all expression?
The bible is really violent, it would need adult flagging,
of course, I'm not christian, or of christian decent, so, im good with it,
a lot of famous art has nudity, bam, adult,
hmm...
lets make sure SL is nothing but brightly colored hills and happy characters...we'll make it into viva pinata, no one will get offended then!
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05-16-2007 11:28
Sure I'm all for protecting kids from perverts. But I've felt so sick at the though of just how far linden labs are going to go with this invasion of personal privacy.
These kids who are smart enough to figure out how to lie about their age to gain access to the main grid are also smart enough to "borrow" mommy or daddys social security cards and lie AGAIN so they can retain their grown up avatars and enjoy the local strip clubs.
I don't play SL for escorts and lap dances, so I'm tempted to tell linden labs to shove it and keep my private info private. But I know I'll cave in and hand it over, just for the sense of *gulp* freedom.
Anyone here have a suggestion or link for another online game I can play that won't be asking me for a blood test and full cavity search a year from now? Teehee J/K ...I hope.
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05-16-2007 11:38
From: SqueezeOne Pow
the areas that will be flagged "adult" aren't places I would go anyway, thus making it irrelevant to me.


Don't be too sure about that - many will flag just to cover their ass'. I sell an image vendor - this can be used for porn - ergo, I flag my parcel. In fact, I flag all land I currently own, and will own in the future no matter what is there and what it's for - cuz I'm responsible for what goes on at my lands so I HAVE to flag my lands with the highest restrictions just to cover my ass - just as LL does. I can't control what other people do, especially when I'm not around, not online, when things happen in IMs. So mature -> adult it is
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05-16-2007 11:38
From: Lilbit Nervous
Heil Squeeze,
maybe we should completely control all expression?
The bible is really violent, it would need adult flagging,
of course, I'm not christian, or of christian decent, so, im good with it,
a lot of famous art has nudity, bam, adult,
hmm...
lets make sure SL is nothing but brightly colored hills and happy characters...we'll make it into viva pinata, no one will get offended then!


No, heil LL because you're using thier game and they make the rules for it. This isn't a free country, it's a free computer game that LL is allowing you the privilage of playing on the condition you follow their rules. LL is putting together a policy where if you want to express yourself in a sexual manner then you need to verify that you are of legal age through information they requested. If you don't like it...it's a big internet!

As far as violence...I really think LL just threw that in there to cover their bases. There's no way for them to deal with that. Considering the nature of most video games and the fact there are combat areas all over SL I really don't think you'll see much action in that area of things.

Don't be so naive. As much as you want to skip over it, I already stated I don't think age verification in the form LL is pushing is good, but it doesn't effect me as I have enough social skills to be able to have sex IRL. I'm just seeing the potential for a great, creative outcome from the bomb they're dropping.
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05-16-2007 11:38
From: Ayla Curry
Sure I'm all for protecting kids from perverts. But I've felt so sick at the though of just how far linden labs are going to go with this invasion of personal privacy.
These kids who are smart enough to figure out how to lie about their age to gain access to the main grid are also smart enough to "borrow" mommy or daddys social security cards and lie AGAIN so they can retain their grown up avatars and enjoy the local strip clubs.
I don't play SL for escorts and lap dances, so I'm tempted to tell linden labs to shove it and keep my private info private. But I know I'll cave in and hand it over, just for the sense of *gulp* freedom.
Anyone here have a suggestion or link for another online game I can play that won't be asking me for a blood test and full cavity search a year from now? Teehee J/K ...I hope.


Sony's Littlebigplanet is being announced for PC,
it will be the final blow to SL, if SL goes through with this ridiculous concept of selling our stats to political deployment groups
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05-16-2007 11:39
From: Lilbit Nervous
Sony's Littlebigplanet is being announced for PC,
it will be the final blow to SL, if SL goes through with this ridiculous concept of selling our stats to political deployment groups


haha...you haven't seen Little Big Planet's game play. SL is safe.
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05-16-2007 11:41
From: BrunoOlsen Oh
Don't be too sure about that - many will flag just to cover their ass'. I sell an image vendor - this can be used for porn - ergo, I flag my parcel. In fact, I flag all land I currently own, and will own in the future no matter what is there and what it's for - cuz I'm responsible for what goes on at my lands so I HAVE to flag my lands with the highest restrictions just to cover my ass - just as LL does. I can't control what other people do, especially when I'm not around, not online, when things happen in IMs. So mature -> adult it is


Well, your alarmist attitude towards it is your business...or lack thereof.
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05-16-2007 11:41
From: SqueezeOne Pow
No, heil LL because you're using thier game and they make the rules for it. This isn't a free country, it's a free computer game that LL is allowing you the privilage of playing on the condition you follow their rules. LL is putting together a policy where if you want to express yourself in a sexual manner then you need to verify that you are of legal age through information they requested. If you don't like it...it's a big internet!

As far as violence...I really think LL just threw that in there to cover their bases. There's no way for them to deal with that. Considering the nature of most video games and the fact there are combat areas all over SL I really don't think you'll see much action in that area of things.

Don't be so naive. As much as you want to skip over it, I already stated I don't think age verification in the form LL is pushing is good, but it doesn't effect me as I have enough social skills to be able to have sex IRL. I'm just seeing the potential for a great, creative outcome from the bomb they're dropping.


I don't have sex online,
I have a real life husband, and am 7 weeks pregnant,
so, I have real sex, offline, unlike you,
the whole "I can totally get it IRL all the time yo" is a common juvenile defense.
but that doesn't stop me from wanting MY creativity to be allowed,
I've run a sim for over a year, founded and created, it's one of the best built places in SL, and the traffic is over 30k daily without a single "Dance Pad" or "Camp Chair", therefore, I am a CONTENT PROVIDER, and am not alone in leaving SL when this comes, I own 2 estates, 1 purely residential and 1 the RP sim, MANY of my SL friends own estates and RP sims, they are also leaving,
kill the content, you kill SL, pure and simple.
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05-16-2007 11:50
From: Lilbit Nervous
I don't have sex online,
I have a real life husband, and am 7 weeks pregnant,
so, I have real sex, offline, unlike you,
the whole "I can totally get it IRL all the time yo" is a common juvenile defense.


Prefacing your comments with unfounded, juvenile insults doesn't give me much hope for what you're about to say. I'll give you a chance anyway and read the rest...

From: Lilbit Nervous

but that doesn't stop me from wanting MY creativity to be allowed,
I've run a sim for over a year, founded and created, it's one of the best built places in SL, and the traffic is over 30k daily without a single "Dance Pad" or "Camp Chair", therefore, I am a CONTENT PROVIDER, and am not alone in leaving SL when this comes, I own 2 estates, 1 purely residential and 1 the RP sim, MANY of my SL friends own estates and RP sims, they are also leaving,
kill the content, you kill SL, pure and simple.


I think you'll see less people leave than you think...either because the sex aspect wasn't as big a deal for them so they decide to focus more on the other creative aspects of SL...or the sex aspect is such a big deal to them that they are willing to give up all their personal info just to keep it going.

Either way, people leave and sell their sims? Go for it! That just means sims at blowout prices for the rest of us!
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05-16-2007 11:52
Yes, both of the remaining SL "addicts" will be pleased with the new era of disney based content, you got me there.
Lilbit Nervous
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05-16-2007 11:54
Well, that's a misquote,
all the remaining americans will be happy,
all the brits/aussies/canadians/etc that quit will not,
SL will become american only over this.
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05-16-2007 11:56
From: Lilbit Nervous
Yes, both of the remaining SL "addicts" will be pleased with the new era of disney based content, you got me there.


This shows your lack of creative abilities. If anything that doesn't have gentalia hanging off of it is "Disney based content" in your opinion then maybe you'd make a better consumer than a producer.
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05-16-2007 11:58
From: Lilbit Nervous
Well, that's a misquote,
all the remaining americans will be happy,
all the brits/aussies/canadians/etc that quit will not,
SL will become american only over this.


Does anyone else have a valid opinion they'd like to share about this subject? Actual dialogue instead of petty insults are appreciated!
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