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Scylla Rhiadra

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01-22-2010 10:31

We now return to our regularly scheduled Football game . . .

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01-22-2010 10:35

From: Brenda Connolly

Will I be watching the game?

Of course. I have already invited friends and have my menu planned....Hot Dogs, Chicken Wings, Chili, REAL popcorn. I've got the 46" sony all cleaned up an ready to go, and have my Jets flag flying outside the house.

Isn’t Football amazing in High Def?
We went from a 50” rear projection to a 56” plasma and you just fall into the screen.
When the Colts played Buffalo in the snow that was pure eye candy.

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01-22-2010 10:35

From: DaQbet Kish

OBTW ...... todays my 3rd Rez day

Happy Rez Day, DaQbet

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01-22-2010 10:38

From: DaQbet Kish

Hello threadkins
big stretch, long yawn
Being sick is no fun but spending days in a bathrobe has its appeal.
Hope to be able to stomach a highly anticipated Chicago deep dish tonight but it still might have to wait another day.
Brenda. Just curious if you will be watching THE game Sunday? I was going to put a Colts logo in my avatar pic but I’m extremely superstitious about those things and seeing they have done just fine without that bit of assistance I will focus my mojo elsewhere. Like wearing favorite blue sweats, sitting on the right side of the couch …… consistency is key.

OBTW ...... todays my 3rd Rez day

Happy Rez Day!

Brenda Connolly

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01-22-2010 10:40

From: DaQbet Kish

Colts fans are pretty excited about playing the Jets with the “real” team. I will give the Jets their due. They are a good team. It all boils down to if Manning shows up to play. If he’s off, the whole team suffers. We have had our defense manage to carry us through when Manning was playing badly. But against the Jets? idk

Thanks Eli

The Jets proved they belong by winning last week for sure. It will come down to the defenses of both teams. The Jets have the #1 rated defense in the NFL, so they will have to do a job on old Payton. And even though he didn't win the award, Darrell Rivas is the best defensive back in the game. On the other side, the Jets have the #1 rushing game in the league, so the Colts will have to be on top of things defensively. I think it will come don to who makes less mistakes, especially at QB. That's the big edge for the colts. That place will be a mad house, and Sanchez has to keep focused, and he can't throw the ball too many times.

The Jets have a legitimate shot at winning this game, provided they continue to play at the level of flawlessness they have been the past few weeks. They can't fall behind more than one score. One thing they have going is they are playing with house money, and have nothing to lose, and the Colts might feel they have to prove something. That can be a big factor. In anyevent it should be a great game, as should the Saints-Vikings game. It will be a fun night in the Connolly household.

DaQbet Kish

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01-22-2010 10:42

From: Scylla Rhiadra

I don't want it to sound grumpy. . . .)

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Brenda Connolly

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01-22-2010 10:48

From: DaQbet Kish

Isn’t Football amazing in High Def?
We went from a 50” rear projection to a 56” plasma and you just fall into the screen.
When the Colts played Buffalo in the snow that was pure eye candy.

Oh it is. I bought my LCD TV the day before the Giants -Patriots Superbowl. As I looked at the various tv's and asked about 780P vs 1080p, etc, there was foot bal highlight being played on the Sony Bravia that I eventually bought. I said out loud , "Wow, look how clear you can see the ball as it is thrown." I guess the guy got a kick out of that, so he put the same show on several of the sets in my price range and then Sony won hands down. i really didn't plan on buying that day, but he gave me a great price, wasn't trying to BS me on anything, so i said put one in the bac of my truck and whipped out the AMEX. I called my next dorr neighbore and he was waiting to help me carry it in.

Treasure Ballinger

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01-22-2010 10:55

From: Maureen Boccaccio

Happy Rez Day!

I love this cake; and, I'd been hoping to get it on MY 3rd rez day, in April......but now, looks like not going to make it, here.

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01-22-2010 10:56

I have a bit of a peeve on "Discriminatory" groups. Obviously thing like the KKK and such as the one Scylla mentioned obviously are of no good, but what about Freedom of Association? Groups of all sorts of Ethnic makeup are formed for the betterment and protection of their people. They operate legally, and do not otherwise act negatively toward outsiders. They are called Cultural Associations, Defense leagues, all sorts of tings. They are usually applauded and encouraged. But when the makeup of that group happens to be White, regardless of what the group does with itself, it is held up as racist, discriminatory, and exclusionary. This a generalization of course, but there is a double standard.

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01-22-2010 10:57

Good old helpful LL. I was trying to log in a new account. After what seemed like forever, the 'accept TOS' box pops up. I click 'accept' and the login bar comes back up and advances about 1/2 across the screen and then sits there. After a few minutes, I get this message:

I had to laugh. If I am not logged in, trying to teleport home should be interesting -- so of course I click the Teleport button. After a minute or so of the black window with a teleport bar progressing across the screen, I then finally get a message telling me that I have been disconnected from the grid -- as if I had ever really been connected.

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Milla Janick

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01-22-2010 11:03

From: Scylla Rhiadra

I am anticensorship, for the greatest part, but "free speech" is only half of the equation: you also need responsive mechanisms for governance that counterbalance the lunatic fringe, the unethical, the racist, and so forth that "free speech" allows voice to.

The counterbalance to lunatic fringe free speech is free speech from sensible people.

Speech that is slanderous or harmful (incitement to violence) are things the government should deal with.

Crackpot speech? Most of the counterbalance there is that people will look at the guy shouting "I AM A MORON" from the mountaintop and saying "That guy really is a moron.".

Linden Lab shouldn't be endorsing it, but I'm not sure I want them determining who is a crackpot and muzzling them, either.

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DaQbet Kish

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01-22-2010 11:15

From: Milla Janick

The counterbalance to lunatic fringe free speech is free speech from sensible people.

Speech that is slanderous or harmful (incitement to violence) are things the government should deal with.

Crackpot speech? Most of the counterbalance there is that people will look at the guy shouting "I AM A MORON" from the mountaintop and saying "That guy really is a moron.".

Linden Lab shouldn't be endorsing it, but I'm not sure I want them determining who is a crackpot and muzzling them, either.

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01-22-2010 11:16

Oh That’s an AWSOME cake Maureen. Thanks!

Joshooah Lovenkraft

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01-22-2010 11:23

From: Scylla Rhiadra

Maybe . . . maybe not.

The British National Party (BNP) is active in SL, has a group, and (at least last time I checked) a headquarters in world. It is an offshoot of the old fascist National Front: until last year, when the courts ruled it discriminatory, membership was restricted to Caucasians. They propose the repatriation of all non Caucasians from Britain. LL is, at some level, aware of their existence, because they keep getting ARed for the overtly racist signs that they put up.

I'm afraid that I don't have a problem with a company -- LL, or whomever -- showing some ethical backbone. Would you critique an investment company that offered only "ethical" investments? Would you, before the end of Apartheid, have done business with a company that did business with South Africa? I make these kinds of decisions every day: I don't buy from companies that employ third-world sweatshops, or that don't engage in fair trade practices. And I do, in what ways I can, register my protest against those who do. That's all I am doing here.

It's easy to forget that Second Life is not a democracy: it's a privately-owned fiefdom. I am anticensorship, for the greatest part, but "free speech" is only half of the equation: you also need responsive mechanisms for governance that counterbalance the lunatic fringe, the unethical, the racist, and so forth that "free speech" allows voice to. We don't have those in SL: we have a sort of benevolent dictatorship that allows anyone to say pretty much whatever they want so long as the corporation doesn't find it offensive, without providing the democratic tools to respond.

If SL were an actual democratic state, I would trust that the mechanisms of democracy would keep the ethical ship on an even keel. Instead, we have a private corporation -- no different in that respect from Dow Chemical itself -- which makes top-down decisions about what IT views as ethically permissible. Given that I don't have a "vote" here to record my opposition, I take the same approach to LL that I take to any otherwise unresponsive corporation: I protest.

(Sorry, I hope that doesn't sound grumpy. I don't want it to sound grumpy. . . .)

Well don't get me wrong because I usually enjoy your intellectual rabble rousing but sometimes I get frustrated that your indignation seems a bit misguided and that energy and intellect might be better served in more practical and tangible ways. Just my opinion though ... /me checks his Depends and notices it's time for a diaper change

Marianne McCann

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01-22-2010 11:28

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How much does a duck weigh? Is that the same as a henway?

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From: Ava Glasgow

I love it when Mari's wicked streak peeks through.

I'm sure it'll show up on some blog somewheres.

From: Brenda Connolly

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01-22-2010 11:28

From: Brenda Connolly

But when the makeup of that group happens to be White, regardless of what the group does with itself, it is held up as racist, discriminatory, and exclusionary. This a generalization of course, but there is a double standard.

That's not entirely true. There are plenty of cultural groups that happen to be totally or predominantly white, but whose focus is on their nationality rather than skin color. A friend of mine is of Danish descent and is very involved in community groups that celebrate Danish history and culture. Even my family and I enjoy participating in events that celebrate our Scottish heritage. I have never heard either of these examples referred to as racist, discriminatory, or exclusionary, because they simply aren't.

Of course, neither of these groups would object to participants who weren't of their culture, because their goal is education and enjoyment. A group -- any group -- whose reason for being is the exclusion/oppression/hatred of people not in the group IS discriminatory and deserves to be identified as such.

(Holy cow, I actually got serious for a moment there. I better go back to hunting for awesome Mord Sith hair for my shapeshifter alt.

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Brenda Connolly

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01-22-2010 11:30

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I am anticensorship, for the greatest part, but "free speech" is only half of the equation: you also need responsive mechanisms for governance that counterbalance the lunatic fringe, the unethical, the racist, and so forth that "free speech" allows voice to.

Unfortunately, "ethical" and "racist" have become so horribly overused and misused nowadays, that their definitions have been diluted to a point where they become irrelevant in many cases. Your definition of those terms may differ from mine. Wh is to say which one should be the "right" one?

Eli Schlegal

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01-22-2010 11:41

Vanity Pic!!!

Ava Glasgow

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01-22-2010 11:43

Mentioning my Danish friend made me crave aebleskiver.

My little sis made these little puff pancakes a family tradition for us a few years back. We tend to go with non-traditional stuffings, because there are just so many things that are delicious in these. The kids love Nutella or jam, while the adults tend to go for savory things like ham-n-cheese. We even did caviar this year, which was surprisingly tasty.

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01-22-2010 11:46

From: Ava Glasgow

That's not entirely true. There are plenty of cultural groups that happen to be totally or predominantly white, but whose focus is on their nationality rather than skin color. A friend of mine is of Danish descent and is very involved in community groups that celebrate Danish history and culture. Even my family and I enjoy participating in events that celebrate our Scottish heritage. I have never heard either of these examples referred to as racist, discriminatory, or exclusionary, because they simply aren't.

Of course, neither of these groups would object to participants who weren't of their culture, because their goal is education and enjoyment. A group -- any group -- whose reason for being is the exclusion/oppression/hatred of people not in the group IS discriminatory and deserves to be identified as such.

(Holy cow, I actually got serious for a moment there. I better go back to hunting for awesome Mord Sith hair for my shapeshifter alt.

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Yes, but they still center around an ethnicity, they are limited to a certain group of white people. The NAACP, rightfully so, is an accepted thing, although I bet there are some self hating white people who cringe at the "C"

. But if a group that did the same things for it's members came out called the NAAWP, there would be doo doo flying all over the place. This is a wild generalization, but the double standard does exist. Harry reid made those stupid remarks about Obama a couple of weeks ago, and after a day of uproar from mostly the opposition on talk radio, it was forgotton. Had a offical from the other side made a similar remarks, his head would have been demanded from every media outlet in the country.

I'm not advocating oppresion or hatred. But take exclusion. "Exclusion of people not in the group." Exclusion from what? Joining the group. If it's a private group, so what? Freedom of Association. Start your own group, and invite whoever you want. As long as you don't do anything to oppress, or harm those not in your group, you should be free to do as you wish. The "Whitebread and Mayonnaise Country Club" doesn't allow your kind to join, fine. Start your own Country Club.

Anyway. That was a year's worth of political debate for me. Back to football.

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01-22-2010 11:51

Does anyone know if there is a way to turn off your name display in SL? I don't want to hide it from other users, I just don't want it to appear on my screen.

ETA: Nevermind I found it.

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Eli Schlegal

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01-22-2010 11:52

From: Tex Nasworthy

Does anyone know if there is a way to turn off your name display in SL? I don't want to hide it from other users, I just don't want it to appear on my screen.

Yeah it's there in preferences somewhere. I'm at work so i can't tell you exactly where but i know I have seen it.

ETA Lol, ok

Joshooah Lovenkraft

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01-22-2010 12:01

Brenda I just bumped into Wallace and he asked me to pass a message along to Boomer http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/21/news/companies/mattel_puppy_tweets/

Ava Glasgow

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01-22-2010 12:05

From: Brenda Connolly

Yes, but they still center around an ethnicity, they are limited to a certain group of white people.

This isn't actually the case for the examples I brought up... the groups have a particular cultural focus, and most participants are part of that culture, but membership is not limited in any way.

I do agree that among exclusionary groups, there does tend to be a double standard. It's not entirely without reason, though, when one side of the double standard is responsible for the oppression of the other. The tables turn, of course, when a previously-oppressed group becomes the oppressor... when their "helping us" purpose becomes more "hurting them".

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Anyway. That was a year's worth of political debate for me. Back to football.

I know! What the hell are we doing?!! Where's John Cleese when we need him?

Phew!

Ava Glasgow

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01-22-2010 12:08

Here, perhaps this will help get the thread back on track.

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Scylla Rhiadra Gentle is Human Join date: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,427	01-22-2010 10:31 We now return to our regularly scheduled Football game . . . _____________________ Scylla Rhiadra
DaQbet Kish cautiously reckless Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,064	01-22-2010 10:35 From: Brenda Connolly Will I be watching the game? Of course. I have already invited friends and have my menu planned....Hot Dogs, Chicken Wings, Chili, REAL popcorn. I've got the 46" sony all cleaned up an ready to go, and have my Jets flag flying outside the house. Isn’t Football amazing in High Def? We went from a 50” rear projection to a 56” plasma and you just fall into the screen. When the Colts played Buffalo in the snow that was pure eye candy. _____________________
3Ring Binder always smile Join date: 8 Mar 2007 Posts: 15,028	01-22-2010 10:35 From: DaQbet Kish OBTW ...... todays my 3rd Rez day Happy Rez Day, DaQbet .oO(btw, what does your nickname mean?) _____________________ it was fun while it lasted. http://2lf.informe.com/
Maureen Boccaccio TWJKFA Join date: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 14,484	01-22-2010 10:38 From: DaQbet Kish Hello threadkins big stretch, long yawn Being sick is no fun but spending days in a bathrobe has its appeal. Hope to be able to stomach a highly anticipated Chicago deep dish tonight but it still might have to wait another day. Brenda. Just curious if you will be watching THE game Sunday? I was going to put a Colts logo in my avatar pic but I’m extremely superstitious about those things and seeing they have done just fine without that bit of assistance I will focus my mojo elsewhere. Like wearing favorite blue sweats, sitting on the right side of the couch …… consistency is key. OBTW ...... todays my 3rd Rez day Happy Rez Day!
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	01-22-2010 10:40 From: DaQbet Kish Colts fans are pretty excited about playing the Jets with the “real” team. I will give the Jets their due. They are a good team. It all boils down to if Manning shows up to play. If he’s off, the whole team suffers. We have had our defense manage to carry us through when Manning was playing badly. But against the Jets? idk Thanks Eli The Jets proved they belong by winning last week for sure. It will come down to the defenses of both teams. The Jets have the #1 rated defense in the NFL, so they will have to do a job on old Payton. And even though he didn't win the award, Darrell Rivas is the best defensive back in the game. On the other side, the Jets have the #1 rushing game in the league, so the Colts will have to be on top of things defensively. I think it will come don to who makes less mistakes, especially at QB. That's the big edge for the colts. That place will be a mad house, and Sanchez has to keep focused, and he can't throw the ball too many times. The Jets have a legitimate shot at winning this game, provided they continue to play at the level of flawlessness they have been the past few weeks. They can't fall behind more than one score. One thing they have going is they are playing with house money, and have nothing to lose, and the Colts might feel they have to prove something. That can be a big factor. In anyevent it should be a great game, as should the Saints-Vikings game. It will be a fun night in the Connolly household.
DaQbet Kish cautiously reckless Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,064	01-22-2010 10:42 From: Scylla Rhiadra I don't want it to sound grumpy. . . .) pweez donts be gwumpeez
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	01-22-2010 10:48 From: DaQbet Kish Isn’t Football amazing in High Def? We went from a 50” rear projection to a 56” plasma and you just fall into the screen. When the Colts played Buffalo in the snow that was pure eye candy. Oh it is. I bought my LCD TV the day before the Giants -Patriots Superbowl. As I looked at the various tv's and asked about 780P vs 1080p, etc, there was foot bal highlight being played on the Sony Bravia that I eventually bought. I said out loud , "Wow, look how clear you can see the ball as it is thrown." I guess the guy got a kick out of that, so he put the same show on several of the sets in my price range and then Sony won hands down. i really didn't plan on buying that day, but he gave me a great price, wasn't trying to BS me on anything, so i said put one in the bac of my truck and whipped out the AMEX. I called my next dorr neighbore and he was waiting to help me carry it in.
Treasure Ballinger Virtual Ability Join date: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,745	01-22-2010 10:55 From: Maureen Boccaccio Happy Rez Day! I love this cake; and, I'd been hoping to get it on MY 3rd rez day, in April......but now, looks like not going to make it, here. _____________________ To LL: Sometimes I wondered, I didn't understand; just where you were trying to go, only you knew the plan. I tried to be there but you wouldn't let me in........ *************************************************** To my forum friends: I'm Missing You...........
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	01-22-2010 10:56 I have a bit of a peeve on "Discriminatory" groups. Obviously thing like the KKK and such as the one Scylla mentioned obviously are of no good, but what about Freedom of Association? Groups of all sorts of Ethnic makeup are formed for the betterment and protection of their people. They operate legally, and do not otherwise act negatively toward outsiders. They are called Cultural Associations, Defense leagues, all sorts of tings. They are usually applauded and encouraged. But when the makeup of that group happens to be White, regardless of what the group does with itself, it is held up as racist, discriminatory, and exclusionary. This a generalization of course, but there is a double standard.
LittleMe Jewell ........... Join date: 8 Oct 2007 Posts: 11,319	01-22-2010 10:57 Good old helpful LL. I was trying to log in a new account. After what seemed like forever, the 'accept TOS' box pops up. I click 'accept' and the login bar comes back up and advances about 1/2 across the screen and then sits there. After a few minutes, I get this message: I had to laugh. If I am not logged in, trying to teleport home should be interesting -- so of course I click the Teleport button. After a minute or so of the black window with a teleport bar progressing across the screen, I then finally get a message telling me that I have been disconnected from the grid -- as if I had ever really been connected. _____________________ ♥♥♥ -Lil Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
Milla Janick Empress Of The Universe Join date: 2 Jan 2008 Posts: 3,075	01-22-2010 11:03 From: Scylla Rhiadra I am anticensorship, for the greatest part, but "free speech" is only half of the equation: you also need responsive mechanisms for governance that counterbalance the lunatic fringe, the unethical, the racist, and so forth that "free speech" allows voice to. The counterbalance to lunatic fringe free speech is free speech from sensible people. Speech that is slanderous or harmful (incitement to violence) are things the government should deal with. Crackpot speech? Most of the counterbalance there is that people will look at the guy shouting "I AM A MORON" from the mountaintop and saying "That guy really is a moron.". Linden Lab shouldn't be endorsing it, but I'm not sure I want them determining who is a crackpot and muzzling them, either. _____________________ http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/milla-janick All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...
DaQbet Kish cautiously reckless Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,064	counter balance 01-22-2010 11:15 From: Milla Janick The counterbalance to lunatic fringe free speech is free speech from sensible people. Speech that is slanderous or harmful (incitement to violence) are things the government should deal with. Crackpot speech? Most of the counterbalance there is that people will look at the guy shouting "I AM A MORON" from the mountaintop and saying "That guy really is a moron.". Linden Lab shouldn't be endorsing it, but I'm not sure I want them determining who is a crackpot and muzzling them, either. _____________________
DaQbet Kish cautiously reckless Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,064	01-22-2010 11:16 Oh That’s an AWSOME cake Maureen. Thanks!
Joshooah Lovenkraft Just Joshin' Join date: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,376	01-22-2010 11:23 From: Scylla Rhiadra Maybe . . . maybe not. The British National Party (BNP) is active in SL, has a group, and (at least last time I checked) a headquarters in world. It is an offshoot of the old fascist National Front: until last year, when the courts ruled it discriminatory, membership was restricted to Caucasians. They propose the repatriation of all non Caucasians from Britain. LL is, at some level, aware of their existence, because they keep getting ARed for the overtly racist signs that they put up. I'm afraid that I don't have a problem with a company -- LL, or whomever -- showing some ethical backbone. Would you critique an investment company that offered only "ethical" investments? Would you, before the end of Apartheid, have done business with a company that did business with South Africa? I make these kinds of decisions every day: I don't buy from companies that employ third-world sweatshops, or that don't engage in fair trade practices. And I do, in what ways I can, register my protest against those who do. That's all I am doing here. It's easy to forget that Second Life is not a democracy: it's a privately-owned fiefdom. I am anticensorship, for the greatest part, but "free speech" is only half of the equation: you also need responsive mechanisms for governance that counterbalance the lunatic fringe, the unethical, the racist, and so forth that "free speech" allows voice to. We don't have those in SL: we have a sort of benevolent dictatorship that allows anyone to say pretty much whatever they want so long as the corporation doesn't find it offensive, without providing the democratic tools to respond. If SL were an actual democratic state, I would trust that the mechanisms of democracy would keep the ethical ship on an even keel. Instead, we have a private corporation -- no different in that respect from Dow Chemical itself -- which makes top-down decisions about what IT views as ethically permissible. Given that I don't have a "vote" here to record my opposition, I take the same approach to LL that I take to any otherwise unresponsive corporation: I protest. (Sorry, I hope that doesn't sound grumpy. I don't want it to sound grumpy. . . .) Well don't get me wrong because I usually enjoy your intellectual rabble rousing but sometimes I get frustrated that your indignation seems a bit misguided and that energy and intellect might be better served in more practical and tangible ways. Just my opinion though ... /me checks his Depends and notices it's time for a diaper change
Marianne McCann Feted Inner Child Join date: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 7,145	01-22-2010 11:28 From: Lindal Kidd How much does a duck weigh? Is that the same as a henway? "I don't know, what's snoo with you?" From: Ava Glasgow I love it when Mari's wicked streak peeks through. I'm sure it'll show up on some blog somewheres. From: Brenda Connolly And the children shall lead....... I bought a pair of eyes around Hallowe'en time, but was too busy with Burny Life an other stuff to use 'em (an retexture my hair to that white color). Maybe I should still _____________________ "There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden
Ava Glasgow Hippie surfer chick Join date: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 2,172	01-22-2010 11:28 From: Brenda Connolly But when the makeup of that group happens to be White, regardless of what the group does with itself, it is held up as racist, discriminatory, and exclusionary. This a generalization of course, but there is a double standard. That's not entirely true. There are plenty of cultural groups that happen to be totally or predominantly white, but whose focus is on their nationality rather than skin color. A friend of mine is of Danish descent and is very involved in community groups that celebrate Danish history and culture. Even my family and I enjoy participating in events that celebrate our Scottish heritage. I have never heard either of these examples referred to as racist, discriminatory, or exclusionary, because they simply aren't. Of course, neither of these groups would object to participants who weren't of their culture, because their goal is education and enjoyment. A group -- any group -- whose reason for being is the exclusion/oppression/hatred of people not in the group IS discriminatory and deserves to be identified as such. (Holy cow, I actually got serious for a moment there. I better go back to hunting for awesome Mord Sith hair for my shapeshifter alt. )
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	01-22-2010 11:30 From: someone I am anticensorship, for the greatest part, but "free speech" is only half of the equation: you also need responsive mechanisms for governance that counterbalance the lunatic fringe, the unethical, the racist, and so forth that "free speech" allows voice to. Unfortunately, "ethical" and "racist" have become so horribly overused and misused nowadays, that their definitions have been diluted to a point where they become irrelevant in many cases. Your definition of those terms may differ from mine. Wh is to say which one should be the "right" one?
Eli Schlegal Registered User Join date: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 2,387	01-22-2010 11:41 Vanity Pic!!!
Ava Glasgow Hippie surfer chick Join date: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 2,172	01-22-2010 11:43 Mentioning my Danish friend made me crave aebleskiver. My little sis made these little puff pancakes a family tradition for us a few years back. We tend to go with non-traditional stuffings, because there are just so many things that are delicious in these. The kids love Nutella or jam, while the adults tend to go for savory things like ham-n-cheese. We even did caviar this year, which was surprisingly tasty.
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	01-22-2010 11:46 From: Ava Glasgow That's not entirely true. There are plenty of cultural groups that happen to be totally or predominantly white, but whose focus is on their nationality rather than skin color. A friend of mine is of Danish descent and is very involved in community groups that celebrate Danish history and culture. Even my family and I enjoy participating in events that celebrate our Scottish heritage. I have never heard either of these examples referred to as racist, discriminatory, or exclusionary, because they simply aren't. Of course, neither of these groups would object to participants who weren't of their culture, because their goal is education and enjoyment. A group -- any group -- whose reason for being is the exclusion/oppression/hatred of people not in the group IS discriminatory and deserves to be identified as such. (Holy cow, I actually got serious for a moment there. I better go back to hunting for awesome Mord Sith hair for my shapeshifter alt. ) Yes, but they still center around an ethnicity, they are limited to a certain group of white people. The NAACP, rightfully so, is an accepted thing, although I bet there are some self hating white people who cringe at the "C" . But if a group that did the same things for it's members came out called the NAAWP, there would be doo doo flying all over the place. This is a wild generalization, but the double standard does exist. Harry reid made those stupid remarks about Obama a couple of weeks ago, and after a day of uproar from mostly the opposition on talk radio, it was forgotton. Had a offical from the other side made a similar remarks, his head would have been demanded from every media outlet in the country. I'm not advocating oppresion or hatred. But take exclusion. "Exclusion of people not in the group." Exclusion from what? Joining the group. If it's a private group, so what? Freedom of Association. Start your own group, and invite whoever you want. As long as you don't do anything to oppress, or harm those not in your group, you should be free to do as you wish. The "Whitebread and Mayonnaise Country Club" doesn't allow your kind to join, fine. Start your own Country Club. Anyway. That was a year's worth of political debate for me. Back to football.
Tex Nasworthy Udder Disgrace Join date: 2 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,330	01-22-2010 11:51 Does anyone know if there is a way to turn off your name display in SL? I don't want to hide it from other users, I just don't want it to appear on my screen. ETA: Nevermind I found it. _____________________ . Forums Users Love Lustfully
Eli Schlegal Registered User Join date: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 2,387	01-22-2010 11:52 From: Tex Nasworthy Does anyone know if there is a way to turn off your name display in SL? I don't want to hide it from other users, I just don't want it to appear on my screen. Yeah it's there in preferences somewhere. I'm at work so i can't tell you exactly where but i know I have seen it. ETA Lol, ok
Joshooah Lovenkraft Just Joshin' Join date: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,376	01-22-2010 12:01 Brenda I just bumped into Wallace and he asked me to pass a message along to Boomer http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/21/news/companies/mattel_puppy_tweets/
Ava Glasgow Hippie surfer chick Join date: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 2,172	01-22-2010 12:05 From: Brenda Connolly Yes, but they still center around an ethnicity, they are limited to a certain group of white people. This isn't actually the case for the examples I brought up... the groups have a particular cultural focus, and most participants are part of that culture, but membership is not limited in any way. I do agree that among exclusionary groups, there does tend to be a double standard. It's not entirely without reason, though, when one side of the double standard is responsible for the oppression of the other. The tables turn, of course, when a previously-oppressed group becomes the oppressor... when their "helping us" purpose becomes more "hurting them". From: someone Anyway. That was a year's worth of political debate for me. Back to football. I know! What the hell are we doing?!! Where's John Cleese when we need him? Phew!
Ava Glasgow Hippie surfer chick Join date: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 2,172	01-22-2010 12:08 Here, perhaps this will help get the thread back on track.

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