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Pserendipity Daniels
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12-07-2009 08:54
From: Lindal Kidd
The answer IS to better arm everyone. But that's not the answer to THIS question. Even an armed and trained person (or any rational person) is unlikely to use a firearm to defend themselves against a spouse. The armed person is, however, more than a match for the mugger/robber/rapist, except for those that are armed.
FIFY!

Then, with a bit of luck, all those willing to use armed force will blow each other away . . .

Pep ( . . . and we'll be left with those who don't want to use violence at all.)
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Rafe Phoenix
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12-07-2009 09:09
From: Rafe Phoenix
Hugs and best wishes to everyone who has been a victim of violent crime.
It takes a certain kind of man to abuse a woman~spineless


Pick and choose what you want to focus on :-)

I'll remember that "everyone" is defined as "women only" thank you all for pointing that out.

The second part of my comment is being taken as exclusionary to any other possibility, its not. It is based on personal experience. It took violence to put a stop to what the law and incarceration would not.

I will discuss violence and its many guises but sexism is is out of my area of discussion because people want to twist simple comments into being meant as absolutes.

I'll finish by saying that it takes a certain kind of woman to abuse a child~psycho bitch.
By applying the same logic as I'm seeing being applied by others that statement excludes all men of child abuse. That's absurd. The topic was male violence against women. My statement was on the topic.
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12-07-2009 09:17
in happier news: due to complications with snow, i have been granted the day off of work. :D
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Rafe Phoenix
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12-07-2009 09:19
From: 3Ring Binder
in happier news: due to complications with snow, i have been granted the day off of work. :D


Looks like 10" on my front porch YAAAYYYYYYYY....
Time to get the shovel out :rolleyes:
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Marianne McCann
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12-07-2009 09:31
From: Ponsonby Low
Hmn....I'd put out two types of freebie boats on my Eggnog coastal parcel, but now that you mention it, I'd better go in and change them to temp rez...


Ya, I need to double-check mine. I don't think they're deleting properly.

From: Seven Okelli
Love the *cold* picture Mari - did you get contacts?


Nope! My glasses are there. They just don't look very obvious in that shot.

From: Rafe Phoenix
That's one of the saddest pictures Mari it looks like you're waiting for a ride that never came.


Ya, it was cold out there!

From: 3Ring Binder
HEY! you make the same grumpy/pouty face that I do when I'm cold. LOLOL i can't wait to see Livingtree live. it's looks gorgeous!


Ya, 's no fun when it's cold like that!

Livingtree is fab this year. Bring skates (though we have free ones, too).
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12-07-2009 09:42
From: Rafe Phoenix
Looks like 10" on my front porch YAAAYYYYYYYY....
Time to get the shovel out :rolleyes:
If that much snow is common for you, you should have a should have a snow-blower.
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Lindal Kidd
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12-07-2009 09:49
From: 3Ring Binder
depends on the woman, Lindal. some people's first natural reaction is to proactively defend themselves. shoot first, til the clip is empty and all you hear is click click click, then ask questions later....


Could be, 3. All I know is, I'm a trained shooter, I have a concealed carry permit, and I use it. Still, if the Resident Geek came after me with, say, a baseball bat, I would be so astounded...and then so reluctant to hurt him...that I expect I'd be a statistic with my pistol untouched.

Anybody ELSE, on the other hand...
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Lindal Kidd
Pserendipity Daniels
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12-07-2009 09:53
From: Rafe Phoenix
I'm done commenting on this subject.
It seems that you are quite happy to waste words saying things that you do not mean, then.
From: Rafe Phoenix
Pick and choose what you want to focus on :-)
You do, and that is what I am complaining about.
From: Rafe Phoenix
The topic was male violence against women. My statement was on the topic.
You chose to focus on that. I chose to focus on your implication that female violence against men was not worth mentioning.

Pep (Your attitude is sexist by any measure.)
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Rafe Phoenix
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12-07-2009 10:11
Mr. Pep I simply mean I'll not respond on that given subject when you comment on it.
You have that nasty habit of beating dead animals.

I believe that men and women have biological and psychological differences. Yes, I am a sexist by definition. So what?
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Rafe Phoenix
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12-07-2009 10:17
From: LittleMe Jewell
If that much snow is common for you, you should have a should have a snow-blower.


Its in my Uncle's garage :mad:
His lawn mower is at my Mom's house.
Her BBQ is on my porch.

Next year I get the lawn mower :-)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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12-07-2009 10:20
From: Rafe Phoenix
Mr. Pep I simply mean I'll not respond on that given subject when you comment on it.
You are contradicting yourself yet again, it seems to me.
From: Rafe Phoenix
You have that nasty habit of beating dead animals.
I have a nasty habit of not permitting others to assume that they can give an apparently definitive yet inadequate opinion on topics that require something other than emotional argument.
From: Rafe Phoenix
I believe that men and women have biological and psychological differences. Yes, I am a sexist by definition. So what?
Then don't suggest, as you have done, that your utterances are anything *but* sexist, and qualify them rather than offer them as if they are balanced opinions.

Pep (is against positive discrimination.)
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12-07-2009 10:29
From: Rafe Phoenix
Its in my Uncle's garage :mad:
His lawn mower is at my Mom's house.
Her BBQ is on my porch.

Next year I get the lawn mower :-)

forget the lawn mower, just get a goat. By now your grass is probably knee high and will just clog up the lawn mower.
Scylla Rhiadra
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12-07-2009 10:29
From: Treasure Ballinger
I disagree with using one's childhood as an 'inevitable' reason for becoming violent oneself, unless there's some kind of mental illness involved. At some point, someone has to say, Ok, I had a crappy childhood with crappy parents. Maybe they did their best and maybe not, but *I* am not going to continue it. I am an adult now, responsible for my own choices. Those choices are not the fault, or obligation of my parents, they are mine alone. I am going to be a better person than my father was, but I will remember the lessons learned at his hands, so that I do not repeat them.

My husband made this choice, and often says that if he'd just allowed life to happen to him, he'd be in prison, just like his brother. He made a concious decision to stop the cycle. It can be done. I don't believe in blaming a person's childhood victimization, for the adulthood crimes he chooses to commit. There are ways out, if you have a spine.

I actually think you are right, on an individual basis, Treasure. Individuals can always choose.

I was really speaking, perhaps somewhat metaphorically using that one example, of the cycle of violence in a larger cultural way. This individual or that CAN choose to abandon violence, but when you have a society that is still as inherently violent as even ours can be, it is inevitable that the overall picture will look grim. Even if you think of it statistically, more people will make the "wrong" choices when there are so many who are damaged by their background, culture, and context.
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12-07-2009 10:32
"No definitions were found for FIFY."

Translation from Netspeak to English, please?
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-07-2009 10:32
From: Lindal Kidd
The answer IS to better arm women. But that's not the answer to THIS question. Even an armed and trained woman (or any rational person) is unlikely to use a firearm to defend themselves against a spouse.

The armed woman is, however, more than a match for the mugger/robber/rapist.

I'm afraid I couldn't disagree with you more on this one, Lindal. I don't think that MORE guns, and more potential for violence, is the answer, even if it were to save a handful of women from assault. Turning our society into an armed camp is merely going to add to the malaise, and the prevalence of fear and violence, even if it does save a few individuals. In the long run, I firmly believe that more guns would make things worse, even for women.

ETA: Just a case in point. The presence of firearms in a home is, I think, the fifth most important "risk factor" in predicting spousal violence and murder. That's in Canada anyway, where guns are much less available and common.
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12-07-2009 10:33
From: Pserendipity Daniels
FIFY!

Then, with a bit of luck, all those willing to use armed force will blow each other away . . .

Pep ( . . . and we'll be left with those who don't want to use violence at all.)


Wishing death upon people? tsk tsk.
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12-07-2009 10:34
I sang in the thousand voice choir in the Candlelight Processional at Disneyland yesterday. It was an AMAZING experience. Still in awe.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-07-2009 10:35
From: Pserendipity Daniels

From: Lindal Kidd
The answer IS to better arm everyone. But that's not the answer to THIS question. Even an armed and trained person (or any rational person) is unlikely to use a firearm to defend themselves against a spouse. The armed person is, however, more than a match for the mugger/robber/rapist, except for those that are armed.

FIFY!

Then, with a bit of luck, all those willing to use armed force will blow each other away . . .

Pep ( . . . and we'll be left with those who don't want to use violence at all.)

QFT (minus the sarcasm)
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Rafe Phoenix
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12-07-2009 10:36
From: Malia Writer
"No definitions were found for FIFY."

Translation from Netspeak to English, please?


Fixed It For You :-)

Most people use it as JK

Narcissists use it for reinforcing their egos.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-07-2009 10:37
From: Malia Writer
"No definitions were found for FIFY."

Translation from Netspeak to English, please?

"Fixed it for you"

(Damn. Too slow.)
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Scylla Rhiadra
Rafe Phoenix
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12-07-2009 10:46
Archie Bunker....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzFWRPiNXOI
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12-07-2009 11:09
Now is the time for all gun owners to whine incessantly about Pep wishing a violent death upon them.
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Lindal Kidd
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12-07-2009 12:04
From: Scylla Rhiadra
I'm afraid I couldn't disagree with you more on this one, Lindal. I don't think that MORE guns, and more potential for violence, is the answer, even if it were to save a handful of women from assault. Turning our society into an armed camp is merely going to add to the malaise, and the prevalence of fear and violence, even if it does save a few individuals. In the long run, I firmly believe that more guns would make things worse, even for women.

ETA: Just a case in point. The presence of firearms in a home is, I think, the fifth most important "risk factor" in predicting spousal violence and murder. That's in Canada anyway, where guns are much less available and common.


Scylla, with all due respect, this is an example of sloppy thinking (and one I've seen over and over again). The fact is that the presence of law-abiding armed citizens does not "turn a society into an armed camp" and does not "add to the malaise". Over and over again, statistics show that the presence of law-abiding armed citizens DECREASES the frequency of assault, rape, robbery, and other crimes. The thing is, that you have nothing to fear from me, or from any other law-abiding armed citizen. If you do fear the gun in my purse, that is an irrational fear. I'm not going to whip it out and shoot you. And it's not going to shoot itself.

The NRA magazine "The American Rifleman" has a long-running column called "The Armed Citizen". Each month, there are accounts of just a few of the many times that the presence of a firearm in the hands of the law-abiding citizen saved a life or foiled a criminal. I can't speak to the Canadian statistic, but I've seen lots more statistics that favor the concept of an armed citizenry as an effective deterrent to crime.

As for Pep...wrong, boyo. Even if the mugger/thief/rapist is armed, I'm going to prevail. I'm better armed, better trained, and willing to shoot to defend myself.
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12-07-2009 12:10
We're all a bit loony and irrational about gun control in Canada. The cold weather must be freezing our common sense. :)
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12-07-2009 12:34
From: Lindal Kidd
The thing is, that you have nothing to fear from me, or from any other law-abiding armed citizen. If you do fear the gun in my purse, that is an irrational fear. I'm not going to whip it out and shoot you. And it's not going to shoot itself.

Statistics would disagree. While the rapist may fear that you're going to dig around in your purse until you find your gun, switch the safety, and then point it at him while he's dragging you off into the bushes, the Number One statistics regarding firearms injuries and deaths up here is a) suicide and b) guns being mishandled (going off accidentally, found by children, not safely stored etc)

In the case of suicides and accidents, a whole lot would be prevented if guns weren't so handy. (Yes, if you want to do the deed you'll find the way, but making it harder to do this give people a time to think before they act.)

And I, being a law abiding citizen, have a license to have a gun. Didn't take much to get one, either, because I AM law abiding and don't have a criminal record or a record of spousal abuse.

Our laws just make it tougher for people with a bad-guy history to get a license. It won't stop the hardened criminal from obtaining a gun, but it may stop the idiot who decides to take a shotgun to his wife after his fists don't do the job any more.
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