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CSI Influx into SL Tomorrow Night - Did you get these notecards?

Yumi Murakami
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10-24-2007 05:31
From: Sling Trebuchet

It looks like LL's marketing muppets have found a way to introduce about 150,000 people to an incredibly laggy experience - and subject the loyal userbase to months of frustration.


With the huge amount of mirroring involved, I doubt they'll experience that much lag as long as the asset server is properly managed. For US$790400 I'd be surprised if they weren't getting their own part of the asset cluster, too. (Although, this is essentially exactly the problem that Second Life Grid is meant to solve.)

From: someone

Whatever about "FIX IT", I do think that LL should address the underlying grid traffic issues before inviting a high-profile flood of new accounts.
If the experience is laggy, the resulting media exposure is really going to hurt LL.
They are playing with fire - killing the goose - cooking it on the fire.


As far as I know, LL didn't "invite" anyone, ESC offered them some business and they accepted. Probably if LL had turned them down ESC would have gone elsewhere.
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10-24-2007 05:36
From: Eve Drechsler
Likewise, I'm a fan of the original CSI but only tune into the spinoffs if I need a laugh especially at the Sunglasses of Justice. I will be watching this Ep though, but not until tomorrow. I have a feeling I will pointing and laughing a lot.

The only realistic bit about CSI is most of the techniques they use are real and they use the proper 'forensic' machines for analysis. In the real world you do not turn up to a crime scene in designer jeans and stilletoes. Well maybe you would in a snip, but you would get changed.

Sorry went off on a tangent there!


The Sunglasses of Justice? Why,....what do you mean..Frank? *Clunk*

Yeah CSI Miami is ridiculously lame. I really am a big Gary Sinise Fan but I can't get into the NY show either, for some reason.
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10-24-2007 05:43
we`re screwed...
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10-24-2007 05:47
The asset server will be just fine. It just won't be very much accessible :)

• ESC & CBS project 2 to 4M will hit the CSI -SL website, and about 200K will complete registration, with about 150K logging in
• Max traffic is estimated to be ~3K logins/minute

200,000 complete registration, but 50,000 of those won't log in - presumably because of incredible lag in the registration process indicating worse to come?


That's 50 logins per second - on top of the current max concurrency.
At a sustained 3K logins per minute, it would take 50 minutes for them all to log in.
Obviously the 3k/minute won't be a 24/7 situation.
Could we reasonably expect that the main waves will come very soon after the TV broadcasts? We'll get bursts of more than 3k

50 logins per second, and let's say they stay for 30 minutes. Roll it along:
At a sustained 50/second over the 30 minutes, that 90,000 concurrent on to of the present 40,000 to 50,000.

Nope. It's OK. They won't stay for 30 minutes. It will be sooooooo slow, that maybe they'll stay for 5 minutes.
So that's only 15,000 extra on concurrency.

Everybody relax! OK? ;)


But seeeeeeeerrrriouusssssly!
What gets me is that LL quite obviously are well aware that things will get really bad.
They've actually planned for it.

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6) What do I tell people if there's a lot of lag or problems?
Linden Lab is pleased that CSI has brought so many new people to Second Life. However, the traffic has exceeded our expectations and we're working hard to address any issues and provide the best experience for everyone. Since the CSI content will not be changing soon, they can come back later when there are less people in Second Life. If there are significant problems, Linden Lab will post announcements to the Second Life Blog.
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What's the bets that the marketing muppets have already pre-written the text of the Blog postings?
They've certainly pre-written the stock answer to a question that will be Frequently Asked ..."However, the traffic has exceeded our expectations.."

*has exceeded our expectations*
And the expectations are ....... again please?...

150K logging in
• Max traffic is estimated to be ~3K logins/minute




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Predreus Twang
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10-24-2007 05:55
From: Broccoli Curry
How could Linden Lab allow such a big project to be tied in with a non standard, non supported, unofficial third party browser?

Broccoli

Actually, the browser is quite official, as it is currently the first viewer to be commercially licensed by LL. As such, this is a closed source, thrid party viewer that actually has some financial backing and will have the people and resources to keep working on the viewer for the forseen future. Also, there is a rather long discussion about the Sheep viewer over at SLUniverse that anyone interested should check out
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10-24-2007 06:39
One of the many things that jumped out at me that hasn't yet been discussed:
From: someone
3) How do you tell which Viewer people have?
Besides the different look - the ESC viewer looks more like a browser - they should be able to find out in the Help Menu. The SL Viewer Help/About shows "Second Life 1.18.x" followed by the date of release. The ESC Viewer will say "OnRez 1.18.x"


The viewer will look like a browser? I am not exactly sure what they are implying here. Guess I'll have to wait and see if I do this CSI:NY thing.

Oh, and I watch CSI:NY but none of the other CSI series (CSI was on opposite something at the very beginning so I never watched it normally, and CSI:Miami looked interesting in the first season but I quickly lost interest).
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10-24-2007 06:39
No wonder two days ago LL added 321 last names to the choices of last names available to new accounts.
http://www.SLNameWatch.com detected the name rotation.
465 last names are now available for selection. I believe this is a new high.
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Hmm, there's nothing really helpful there, but thanks for pasting.
Michael Bigwig
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10-24-2007 06:40
I think this is a great idea--however, not all great ideas are seamless, or go off without a hitch. OH yes...there will be hitches...lot's of them.

It's like lining up for the newest WoW patch...hype machines in full-motion.

But hell...we want more people in Second Life? We want our economy and businesses to flourish? Then you better not be one of the people complaining about this--this will inevitably bring a huge chunk of new residence in...a lot of whom might get hooked.

Good for business no matter how you look at it. The event and first few days might be filled with rough waters, but let's hope there's a bridge in site. As long as you can hold on for dear life...you'll make it out of the storm...and in the end, we benefit from a massive baby-boom.

And we all know babies need milk, diapers, binkies, and designer shoes.
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10-24-2007 06:59
Two extremes of the process of getting new users
A) Ram as many as possible in and hope that a percentage will stay.
B) Make the offering so excellent that people will queue up to get in.

We have (A)
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10-24-2007 07:03
What's funny is that if SL has 8000 islands and ave 60 people can fit on each island, how are we going to accomodate 2MILLION PEOPLE!?!?
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10-24-2007 07:12
Very interesting. I'd forgotten about the CSI episode and was planning on being on later for the first time in a few days. Plan: building and landscaping. It'll be interesting to see what if anything happens in my quiet little corner of Boomerangia.

Wouldn't the most rabid fans of CSI already have the heads-up on this episode and perhaps look into SL on their own? It may not be a large percentage of the ones that attempt to get into SL because of the show, but it should account for some.
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10-24-2007 07:13
From: Sally Silvera
Dunno anything about this TV thing, but this paragraph jumped out at me. "CSI HAS brought so many new people to SL. However, the traffic has exceeded out expectations"? That implies they are already here, no? Could that explain some of the problems some of us have been having? Or is this another LL premature missive? And, in that case, should we really expect a huge influx over the next few days?

Oh, and has anyone mentioned the skies falling yet? :p


I'm sure hardcore fans of the show already knew about this and have signed up to SL just to get a head-start on navigating the virtual world/designing their AVs.
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10-24-2007 07:37
From: Predreus Twang
Actually, the browser is quite official, as it is currently the first viewer to be commercially licensed by LL.


Doesn't surprise me, ESC get too much preferential treatment already to the detriment of many other far more talented individuals and groups in SL.

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10-24-2007 07:40
From: Teejay Dojoji
I'm sure hardcore fans of the show already knew about this and have signed up to SL just to get a head-start on navigating the virtual world/designing their AVs.



Yes, I met two of them. They told me that the other five hard-core fans are also already signed up. Well, not five strictly speaking. Four really, but one of them has an alt.
We'll just have to wait and see what the effect the ( 150,000 - 7 ) fans will have on performance.

On the other hand, if a significant percentage of the expected 150,000 signups have already happened, then they arrived just in time to prevent a huge dip in the stats for normal signup rate.
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10-24-2007 07:41
From: Broccoli Curry
Doesn't surprise me, ESC get too much preferential treatment already to the detriment of many other far more talented individuals and groups in SL.

Broccoli

Must be all that CBS Money........
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10-24-2007 08:05
An alternate view...

A bajillion people will hit the grid, after seeing SL displayed on their televisions. It will look exciting, and cool, especially on the best computers CBS could find in the budget.

When they get here, they'll find themselves looking like Brandie and Clint Newbie, won't know how to walk, an will get their first experience with lag. Their computers will struggle with Second Life, and many will see little beyond gray walls and silence before the viewer crashes to desktop.

For those of us already here, there will be glitches and growing pains as an already stetched system gets pulled even further. There will be a lot of grumbling.

I say this not to be negative, but as a fact of (Second) life.

Many of these new folks will complain, some television pundits will pan this "gimmick" that CBS has put out to boost their ratings, and the expected influx for SL will not last beyond the initial excitement. This will have a *negative* effect on SL for at least some time, and will not help with sales of goods or land.

A relative handful will hang around, where we'll answer their "I'm bored" posts here on the forums for a while. A year from now an even smaller sample will be posting on the "why did you join?" threads.

We'll all survive, an we might get some good people out of it, in the end. More than this, it will be a step ona much longer path, to SL being seen as a "legitimate platform" of sorts for the 3D web. A lot more people will come in after all of this, and we'll see this thing really begin to take off. For good or ill, sure, but it is I tink where we'll be heading.

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10-24-2007 08:09
We're bracing ourselves for the impact at the Shelter. Not for tonight, but what will happen in the coming days/weeks when folks begin to leave the CSI sims for something else to do.
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10-24-2007 08:12
From: Eve Drechsler
Likewise, I'm a fan of the original CSI but only tune into the spinoffs if I need a laugh especially at the Sunglasses of Justice. I will be watching this Ep though, but not until tomorrow. I have a feeling I will pointing and laughing a lot.

The only realistic bit about CSI is most of the techniques they use are real and they use the proper 'forensic' machines for analysis. In the real world you do not turn up to a crime scene in designer jeans and stilletoes. Well maybe you would in a snip, but you would get changed.

Sorry went off on a tangent there!


I'm not well versed in forensics, but every now and then there will be something in the show that makes even me go , "huh? that doesn't make sense" , based on some bit of science I do know about.

I do think they make an effort though.

The conclusions seem to come too easy from all the evidence also and theres almost never conflicting evidence unless included as a plot device. The defense attorney's of the CSI world must almost never win.

Of course the Science/Magic is best on NCIS - Abby could beat the whole CSI team by herself and still be punk/goth sexy.

Numbers would be a close second since Charlie doesn't even need evidence, just data. He can spin anything into a magic math problem. As long as he can talk to that quirky Larry (who reminds me a lot of a certain flower named Forums cartel member)
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10-24-2007 08:12
From: Broccoli Curry
Doesn't surprise me, ESC get too much preferential treatment already to the detriment of many other far more talented individuals and groups in SL.


Has anyone else actually asked LL to commercially license a client?
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10-24-2007 08:12
From: Dnate Mars
Actually, LL has nothing to do with this. It is part of the grand plan with the open source. They don't want to deal with things like code, support, updates, etc. They want others to do all the hard stuff for them. Also, there are many 3rd part viewers already out there, the difference is that this one may actually work better then LL's.

The thing that seems to me that is most surprising is

"• ESC & CBS project 2 to 4M will hit the CSI -SL website, and about 200K will complete registration, with about 150K logging in
• Max traffic is estimated to be ~3K logins/minute"

That is a lot of log-ins!


Wow.. good bye grid.

See you after the crash.
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10-24-2007 08:16
From: Colette Meiji
I'm not well versed in forensics, but every now and then there will be something in the show that makes even me go , "huh? that doesn't make sense" , based on some bit of science I do know about.

I do think they make an effort though.

The conclusions seem to come too easy from all the evidence also and theres almost never conflicting evidence unless included as a plot device. The defense attorney's of the CSI world must almost never win.

Of course the Science/Magic is best on NCIS - Abby could beat the whole CSI team by herself and still be punk/goth sexy.

Numbers would be a close second since Charlie doesn't even need evidence, just data. He can spin anything into a magic math problem. As long as he can talk to that quirky Larry (who reminds me a lot of a certain flower named Forums cartel member)

They gotta take some Liberty in the stories,or else it would be just Discovery Channel with better looking re enactors. Face it, hard science is boring. Of all the others, I tried to get into Numbers but it makes my head hurt sometimes, I do like Criminal Minds
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10-24-2007 08:28
From: Brenda Connolly
They gotta take some Liberty in the stories,or else it would be just Discovery Channel with better looking re enactors. Face it, hard science is boring. Of all the others, I tried to get into Numbers but it makes my head hurt sometimes, I do like Criminal Minds


The new director for Numbers is much better. The shows seem more real and Charlie is far nerdier now, which you'd expect from someone with his background.

Larry is still the same weird - but then .. lol

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I like Criminal minds, but then I really like Mandy Patinkin, now that he left the show, I don't know.

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Yes I know they do the science and law magic to keep the plot moving still theres times it breaks the suspension of disbelief barrier.
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10-24-2007 08:30
Is it true that there is going to be a CSI:Paducah?

Or is someone pulling my leg?

My money is on the latter!
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10-24-2007 08:49
From: Bodhisatva Paperclip
Very interesting. I'd forgotten about the CSI episode and was planning on being on later for the first time in a few days. Plan: building and landscaping. It'll be interesting to see what if anything happens in my quiet little corner of Boomerangia.

Wouldn't the most rabid fans of CSI already have the heads-up on this episode and perhaps look into SL on their own? It may not be a large percentage of the ones that attempt to get into SL because of the show, but it should account for some.


I'm new to SL, am a dyed in the wool CSI fan but had no idea that they were going to use SL in an Ep. I only found out by accident after I signed up when my OH was saw it in the US TV schedule. CSI NY/Miami take far more liberty with artistic licence than Vegas which is probably more true to life.....apart from the tight jeans and stillies.

Is the CSI setup in SL going to be permanent? I wouldn't mind a scoot around it for nosiness sake plus I'm 'in the biz' so to speak.
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10-24-2007 08:54
From: Sling Trebuchet
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If the experience is laggy, the resulting media exposure is really going to hurt LL.
They are playing with fire - killing the goose - cooking it on the fire.


"..they can come back later when there are less people in Second Life."
Yeah :(


"I want to see the Elvis concert, but it's too crowded and I can't get in."
"You can come back later when Elvis has left the building."
"But then...I won't see the concert, will I?"
"But the building will be empty and you can get in."
RESOLVED.
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