More Freedom In Rl Than Sl

You expect me to relax when you call me a racist! That's not just some thing you toss out as a joke ("taking a pis"--that's just plain stupid. Jesus you people. Get a clue.

It's not a blurry connection, it's quite clear and specific. And it is not far from the point, it IS the point.

Follow the logic.

1. The primary drive for every living thing is to survive and perpetuate itself. Species that fail to follow this rule become extinct.

2. Man is a living creature. Therefore, the drive to survive and perpetuate ourselves is the most basic part of our nature. Everything else...from wars to morals to poetry to the washcloth on your towel rack...is secondary and can be traced back in one way or another to this one basic characteristic.

3. Anyone who ignores the above facts is going down an evolutionary dead end. (Seen any Shakers lately?) Any MMOG that ignores such a basic part of human nature will, similarly, be supplanted by others that do.

Or, if that line of reasoning is too abstract for you, let's just consider this one:

1. The SL sim owner decides whether his land will be PG or Mature rated.

2. The vast majority of sims in SL are rated Mature

3. The reason for that is because a lot more people want to be able to engage in activities that are unsuited for the limitations of PG sims, and the sim owners realize this.

4. As a first approximation, I estimate that if those activities are banned, the grid will diminish to the current crop of PG sims.

Disneyland is a great place to take the kids. I don't want to live there.

mike i wonder how many of your cameras and lights are used in sl pornography shoots everyday
they are beautiful cameras, ill grant you that. in fact, if the 35mm includes a gesture i will buy it.

I totally agree. Sex is the meaning of life, according to our genetic program. It's impossible to ignore this simple fact and it would be foolish to attempt to ban sex from any environment where adult humans socially interact.

That's very blurry. Sorry. I can follow a sequence of events back to the big bang, but why would I?

Telling me I'm wearing a designer shirt just to get laid is ludicrous. I'm more than happy with my girlfriend, and am not trying to impress anybody. Not with my shirt, the car that I drive, or the computer that I use.

Poppey said it best: I yam what I yam!

You can make all the ties to sex you want. That doesn't make SL a "hook up" tool. It's "Your World Your Imagination" not "Your Sex Drive Your Mature Land"

*shrugs*

In your mentality, SL (and actually ALL of creation) is for sex. That's not quite my point.

You wear designer shirts and pay attention to your appearance because you want to keep a certain social status: accepted by the herd and able to attract a mating partner. Obviously it worked, since you have a girlfriend.

Who's banning sex?

Also, sex is definitely present in MY life but it's not the meaning of it. Everything I do in my life isn't for sex...especially now that I'm out of high school!

To quote the legendary poopmaster, "Maybe I'm just broken."

You wear designer shirts and pay attention to your appearance because you want to keep a certain social status: accepted by the herd and able to attract a mating partner. Obviously it worked, since you have a girlfriend.

Not true. I look good, to feel good. Especially now that I don't need a woman. What is your argument for me wearing nice clothing now that I'm spoken for? To get sex?


Confidence is what women are drawn to--and wearing nice clothing can make you feel more confident, this is mainly what they are drawn to that. It's all about attitude. Confidence.

I'm not saying saying that before I was "taken" I didn't go to bars and clubs looking nice to meet a woman...yes, I did. But my point is: I'm not running a SL design firm to get in anyones' pants.

See my point?

...You may tell yourself that you desire a partner of the other gender mostly to share your life with someone else instead of being alone, to have someone to talk to who shares your interests, someone to get old with etc. But the reason that you desire all these things is that you are programmed to seek a partner in order to be fruitful and multiply. Even if you don't want to have kids, you do desire sex (evolution had no time to deal with contraception yet, so far the sex drive used to be enough).

Not true. I look good, to feel good. Especially now that I don't need a woman. What is your argument for me wearing nice clothing now that I'm spoken for? To get sex?


Confidence is what women are drawn to--and wearing nice clothing can make you feel more confident, this is mainly what they are drawn towards. It's all about attitude. Confidence.

I'm not saying that before I was "taken" I didn't go to bars and clubs looking nice to meet a woman...yes, I did. But my point is: I'm not running a SL design firm to get in anyones' pants.

See my point?

You can't deny that this is the reason a good amount of people do all this in SL.

But since much of SL is a online dating game of musical chairs...

Of course they do - thats why its such a big part of second Life for a good amount of people.

But much of SL is also pretending you're a character in Star Wars, a robot, a medieval knight, etc.

The "playing house" crowd isn't neccessarily the majority even though you may see it that way. That is most likely because you surround yourself with like-minded people as do I.

Not everything in everyone's life is primarily about sex. No one can deny that it's in there, though!

That may be true, but not everything I do in my life has to do with trying to find/keep a partner, either.

I am also in control of the aspects of my life you stated above to the point where I don't feel the need to act them out "playing house" where I would have more control over the outcomes and have less to deal with in terms of consequences.

You can't deny that this is the reason a good amount of people do all this in SL.

I do think the playing house crowd is a majority,

Becuase even the Goreans, Vampires, BDSM crowd all play house in their own way.

There is a steadily growing minority that see Second Life more as you (and it seems Michael and others) do - as less a place to have a virtual life and more a place to "be creative" or as an extension of real life.

Someday they may become a majority

- but that wont make the people playing house wrong, just a smaller percentage of the whole.

The actual amount of people doing so remains to be seen.

Even if sex IS a major part of SL...is that what you want people to think of when people think of SL?

Not the ability to build and script anything you can think of? Not the ability to learn from other cultures (language if you ever used voice chat ) Not the opportunity for artists of all kinds to create and show art in ways not possible IRL either because of physics or finances?

I think this is the core of the arguement here.

That "minority" is what started in SL from what I've seen. It's not as though our "type" are a residual result after the fact. If that was the case, then SL would have started out being based on sex.

If your RL sex life is interesting enough, you won't feel the need to have sex in SL. You will act out other desires here, usually also related to social interaction / social status / positive social feedback.

You're also ignoring the ways in which people want sex are different...preference isn't just what gender you're into. It's also the way you go about it. A vast majority of the world only likes their sex with real people...whether that's someone physically in front of you or a RL picture.

How is a real person responding and reacting to you, even if by typing text, less real than an airbrushed photo? Even the interactive porn doesn't respond like a real person does. SL sex is more than pose balls and prim penises. You don't even have to be in the same sim with the other person to have a damn good experience in IM with them.

How is a real person responding and reacting to you, even if by typing text, less real than an airbrushed photo? Even the interactive porn doesn't respond like a real person does. SL sex is more than pose balls and prim penises. You don't even have to be in the same sim with the other person to have a damn good experience in IM with them.

I think that sums things up pretty well.

I even know people who enjoy porn who put down cyber sex , I find that pretty ironic.