More Freedom In Rl Than Sl

Your previous post said "Sex" not strip clubs.

I think Second Life would survive the loss of Strip clubs.

I do not think it would do very well with the loss of Sex.

Theres a considerable difference between those two things.

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As far as your studios and people you know it seems to me you are lumping in what they do around you with all their possibile activities in Second Life.

You are saying none of them ever involve themselves in sex? Or merely that sex isnt a subject involved in your studio and things people do around you?

Its quite possible for someone to be supportive of designers, creative and "cultured" w/e

And still be involved in Playing House and having wild prim monkey sex when the shades are drawn.

while i agree peeps are being dramatic, i assure you melbourne would be talking if crown casino got shut down by the government!

I think the key words there are "Self Destruct"... People are so basically selfish, that they will victimize anyone who gets in their way, including themselves.

I can't imagine why there is a debate here. Who in their right mind would gamble in a unregulated casino? If I were to win one of those 1,000,000 Linden jackpots, who is to guarantee that I will actually get paid?

Why risk a ton of lindens, when if I were to win, I will get nothing?

And really now... why do people expect the Lindens to police people who are in their Self Destructive state of mind.
And, if you owned a business like Second Life, would you really want Government agencies stepping in to enforce laws? If you had invested in all these computers, routers, switchers, software development... would you really want to risk having it all seized because some pervert wants to destroy themselves with their perceived "freedoms"?

Back in the old BBS days, we had to regulate our own Bulletin Boards, because you risked having your setup seized by the Real Government. When you sign up for web hosting, they tell you if you can have a porn site or not.

They are not doing all this because they are anti-porn or against gambling or they want to be the morality police, but because they want to protect their investment. The are taking the right step, because they are trying to keep the Real Governments out of SL.

If people would learn to regulate their own actions, we would have less laws. In another thread /13/d7/171001/3.html

Made this statement ...

THAT... is why we have regulations... that is why we have all this mess... that is why we loose freedoms... It is that Self Destructive human trait that makes victims out of everyone, and it is that is why I am anti-gambling, anti-kiddie porn, anti-sex club.

My response to the above thread was this, and I believe that it sums it all up...



It is for the victims that all this crap makes, that makes me do what I do...

In some cases rl dolcett includes RL canibalism that I beleive is the story the other poster refered to.

Since Dolcett is basically torture multilation killing and eating story - any actual RL Dolcett carried to that conclusion would be RL canibalism.

Dolcett is just some (sick) comics written about women who get killed and eaten

any "RL" Dolcett would be people either role-playing that or acting it out, to whatever extreme.

Thats all I meant.

My point is, I'm NOT alienating my customer base. I, nor any of the designers and builders I've ever worked with, have anything to do with these industries. That's not to say we wouldn't work for these industries, they just haven't come up yet--which is another point I'm making...obviously SL doesn't need sex and gambling, because in my two years in SL, I've never had a client who was directly involved in them.

I honestly believe that SL requires neither sex nor gambling to thrive. It will still be an amazing place, with a huge population.

Hopefully we never have to find out about the sex part.

In two years youve never had a client that ever has SL sex?

I simply do not believe you.

You obviously misunderstood what I said. The key word is "directly" related to sex. Meaning, someone in the sex industry has never asked me to build an object dealing with sex, nor have I ever had to make a texture for something sex related. And I've never hired-out my scripters for a sex job.

no, but youre mates would likely lie to you.

I changed this quote, because I misunderstood what Colette had said. Reread my new post.

Still, to comment on my old quote, and your comment--my mates don't lie to me. I personally dole out all the work Glowbox gets...it has to come through me.

How would you know they never have SL Sex?

they actually (every single one) tell you "Oh I never have SL sex, ever"

Are they all part of some Anti-SL-sex group?

Do you just not have many clients?


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My point being people genrally dont go around bragging whether they do or do not have SL sex to everyone they meet - so unless you steer the conversation that way - how would you know in every case?

ahh -

see my point is that SL could probably survive the loss of the "Sex Industry" meaning escorting and stripping, even gor and bdsm, etc.

I dont think it would do so well if it lost the "Playing house" aspect of SL sex.

The dating/ BF/ GF / virtual wedding and the related Sex stuff.

"obviously SL doesn't need sex and gambling, because in my two years in SL, I've never had a client who was directly involved in them."

with all due respect Sir i dont believe that for a moment.

and thanks Colette for clarifying your post for me.

i hafta go visit real life but i hope you guys continue to discuss this topic. The atmosphere in sl is making me very uneasy lately. Im squirming with discomfort as the boot comes down on us. Im not losing anything by the new rules. Im just distressed to know how much of our freedom we will have lost when the dust settles.

Well the gambling has gone and it will definitely survive that but I'm not so sure it would survive the sex so well and still remain the platform it is today for innovation and creation. Sex is a big big factor here, clothing, skins, animations, buildings, land ownership, advertising.

It would survive a sex ban if you took the financial value out of the world and lowered the tier fees to just a flat premium membership rate but I don't think LL will head in that direction.

Yes, I agree. But why would anyone get rid of the playing house aspect. That kind of stuff isn't in question at all. There is nothing wrong with having a partner in SL, and there is nothing wrong with having virtual sex with them. Heck, I've done it myself. The questions is, where do we draw the line? And even more to the point, SHOULD we draw a line?

The majority of design and creation (all aspects) is NOT related to sex. I think that answers the question.

And the Germany Cannibal trial.

Again, let me clarify. I've never--in my two years running GBD--had a client ask me to create anything related to sex. I'm being completely honest.

for right now the line is drawn at sexual Ageplay.

As far as Im concerned they can leave the line right where it is.

I see no reaon to Ban gor/ bdsm, strip clubs and escorts.

After all none of those involve actual human intercourse, its even less victimless than a victimless crime.

Indirectly Michael it's a much bigger part of the equation than you're giving it credit for. The majority of my renters in one way or another are linked to sex, be it playing house, working in strip clubs, selling beds, selling skins and clothing yadda yadda yadda. A sex ban would hit the economy hard and that would effect even those who think their products aren't related to sex, because people who get their L$ via sex, won't be spending those L$ on your products either.

Ageplay? As long as there is no sexualisation of minors or depictions of such, that is fine in SL, as many of my SL friends will attest. Funnily enough, the same rule applies in RL.

Gambling? As long as it takes place offline (or online if no credit cards are involved), that is fine in California. Funnily enough, the same rule applies in SL.

I completely agree. And I don't think it's going anywhere...

OK, so that's your one sim...I'm honestly telling you, step out your SL door and fly around the grid for a while--90 percent of the content is NOT related to sex or gambling.

Why won't people admit this?

That may go for US citizens.... but there are many none US citizens here.

Personally I don't mind to much about gambling, but at times I don't like to enforced with laws that are not mine. And before anyone explodes, I do understand that this is because LL is in the US.... but there is a difference between understanding and liking,

Morwen.