More Freedom In Rl Than Sl

Shouldnt it be the other way around? not just the gambling but everything thats been going down. Including our sexual freedoms as human beings. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, if im terrorized in rl i can at least call the cops. Get up and get get get down AR is a joke in SL. P.S. fix your damn game. Im tired of crashing everytime i empty my trash

Yea unfortunately as the population and media attention has gone up in sl, the more freedom we lose and the more stress we see. Even with all the bs, I still love this game.

I agree with Sarah, as long as SL was low-key and insignificant it didn't really matter whether something was a gray area or maybe even slightly leaning over the edge, but the more mainstream SL gets, the more restricted everything will become, although there is the potential for things to get better in certain areas as well.

SL doesn't really compare to the web at all. Even with remotely hosted sims, even with true resident-run sims, LL will always remain a US company subject to US law and legislation and the one mandatory stop for access to SL.

and it could not really be in a worse U.S. state..if it were in one of the states with more freedoms from the state itself we wouldn't be losing certain things..But it is..it was nice when we were out of sight out of mind..

Your RL jurisdiction lets you have sex with children?

Your RL jurisdiction allows unregulated gambling houses run for profit?

That's a very liberal jurisdiction you live in.

i dont know any real children in second life and i dont gamble. But if i wanted to place to gamble in sl, as things stand, im out of luck and id be very upset at you for playing my Mommy/Daddy and telling me i can and cannot do

I don't think we have more freedom in RL than we do in SL...

In RL can you [legally] run down the street with your penis hanging out? Can you have sex in public? Are there sex stores that sell beds, where people try them out in the store?

I could go on and on.

I think you guys are being way too dramatic about this recent ban. It's not the end of your freedom...just like in RL, if they completely banned casinos, the majority of the populous wouldn't even notice.

It is a Federal law that is behind this change.

Puh-lease ...

You wanna say that things are getting more restricted ... yeah.

Last time people tried rl dolcett it ended up with one person dead and the other one eating them out of the freezer for the next month. Or at least the last one I know about.

(When are they gonna outlaw that, btw? Or does the idea of snuffplay and eating cooked humans - even in rp/poseball - being repulsive to me mean I am boring, narrow minded and unimaginative? RHETORICAL!!!)

Huh?

Do you know that the gambling laws in CA were actually quite relaxed before the blanket gambling ban?

I have to agree with sara as well. Being here a long time, i have noticed the same. When i first started SL, i didn't see ANY news coverage. I stumbled upon it one day on a gaming website and was like "hmm interesting.". The slogan "Your World Your Imagination" is what got me hooked. I wanted a place to express my self creatively. Once it became popular we slowly lost our freedom. They are even showing signs of making adult content illegal... Don't tell me you can't see it coming. When they ban sex, there will be no hope left to lose, and SL will be dead to a lot of us by that time. I don't do sexual acts often but when i want to spend time with my mate, i want do have that freedom without having to logout and RP it over yahoo messenger.

i also am repulsed by dolcett. Even so im betting what you said about it isnt true at all. I bet they dont eat people in rl. Anyway, my point being as complete repulsive as dolcett is to me, i support their right to rp in sl. I support freedom of thought and expression. Even for the ugly things tucked away inside of all of us. And, i didnt start this thread to support gambling. I started this thread to be just one of many voices crying out for freedom in world. Im aware of whats going on and why. But id like my voice to be heard.

Oh come on, there's far more freedom here than there is in RL. As the platform grows it will encounter issues but we have much more freedom here.

You musta missed that Jeffry Dahmer thing.

It's a lot harder to ban/regulate sex. Not impossible, and there are many regulations they could put in to make SL very different (doing away with strippers/prostitution) but, having run an online text based role playing community a few years back- people will do anything to bring sex into the equation regardless of the legality. Cyber was strictly outlawed in our chat rooms- hosting service demanded it. Management tried to enforce it. No matter how many people we banned or how dire the threats became- people would simply sit in a chat room and say nothing while rping out a sex scene in instant messengers... or do it in whispers..or do it when none of the management were online...

In any environment where people get to direct their own stories- there's going to be sex... and lots of it. Sex and marriage, sex and vampires, sex and pregnancy, hell sex just to have sex because they're bored. Instinct.

SL can ban sex or adult material, but they'd have to close down the company before they were capable of enforcing it 24/7- they'd just send it underground and in small groups. Gambling won't go away- it'll just be a couple of friends instead of a casino. Regulation of absolutes is almost impossible- but you can certainly cut down on the unwanted behavior by spooking people into doing it quietly.

Drugs, murder, prostitution, hell alcohol back in prohibition. Humans show an alarming tendency to self destruct regardless of laws. ^.^

I don't get it. So, if they ban sex in SL, there's no hope left? Is that all you guys see in SL? Gambling and sex?

It makes me a little sad to think people actually believe this. You know, I have no problem with gambling and sex being in second life, but there are thousands of citizens that don't take part in either of these activities--and whether you all want to hear this or not, a lot of people think getting rid of both are a good idea. Many land owners hate the casino and clubs near their land or parcel.

Yes the gambling and sex community is vast and influential, but I'd be willing to bet the majority of citizens are NOT into these activities. And if they were banished, SL would still thrive with all the wonders it does today. **And for the record, my experience shows that the general opinions expressed in this forum, are NOT the general opinions I find in-game.**

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Nope, you have as much rl freedom to gamble online as you do sl freedom to gamble online. It is EXACTLY the same law that is being enforced here.

I think the driving force of SL is Playing House.

Sex is part of Playing house.

While creative artists, builders, scripters, etc are all admirable things,

Without the average people "Living" in this virtual world and simulating a virtual life - the wheels fall off.

You'd end up with a whole lot of artists who have no audience.

is dolcett and rl canibalism the same thing? is ageplay and rl child rape the same thing? Is furry and rl beastiality the same thing? is bondage and rl rape/kidnapping the same thing?

i say no it isnt.

You can do that on the beach in Brighton, where Linden Lab just happen to have established their UK base of operations.

Hmm...

well look all im saying is where i live on the west coast US we have both gambling and ageplay and i have no knowledge of either of those things being illegal. Whats next really? Im very curious to know.

So, if strip clubs and casinos vanished in RL, the wheels would fall off, and I would have no audience. I think this is a highly inaccurate assumption. Just because these two businesses have a massive audience, doesn't mean without them SL would fall apart. My studio thrives, without sex or gambling...the clients I service have nothing to do with either of these industries.

And all the designers and scripters I work with are in the same boat. There are a plethora of citizens that have nothing to do with gambling or sex. SL does not need them to be a wonderful application and virtual existence.

I see your points though, don't get me wrong.

The post of yours I quoted was a direct response to another post involving RL dolcett.

Thus I was refering to RL dolcett.

evidently there was a bit of confusion.

i watch bemused as Michael alienates his entire customer base. Good game.

Colette im not sure even rl dolcett is the same thing as rl canibalism. Are you sure about that? Im out of my depth obviously but that wasnt my understanding of what dolcett is.