WebCam and Voice = Sex Acts/Porn in SL?

Of course, Ceka, but the net has never been a safe place. People have been using webcams - sexually or not - for dog years, what *additional* danger is there now posed to an individual by using it with SL? The dangers exist whether or not SL is in the mix. I don't use a webcam but I do have a mic. Before voice was implemented, people used Skype to talk, and some used webcams. So? If you own a cam and use it, you are subject to the same risks anywhere. Using it with SL is no different.

Ever tried to talk through a complex URL in voice? That alone can take a couple minutes, compared to maybe 5 seconds typing it--or less, if Copy/Paste from the address bar of another browser tab. And the recipient doesn't have to type anything, just click on the URL you send them.

But the couple of times I tried voice, I felt detatched and distracted, besides annoyed by all the background noises, chewing, and immersion ruining hearing a voice that does not fit the avatar can do. .

AHA!!! She's a MAN, baby, yea!!!

It's an interesting theory, but the realities are nothing like that.

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Oh Phil. I got your PM...I'll arrange to exhange that item soon. And limber up those fingers. I have a lot of questions for you to type answers too....

You have to love that "If someone doesn't love voice it just means they never tried" attitude .

And that's the core difference: the specific problem she was having didn't require your presence, it could have been solved through IMs just as easily and you would have been able to keep on doing what you were doing, or to get something else done at the same time, or even deal with a second or third customer who's having problems all at the same time.

I'm chatting with two people in IMs right now and adding to this post whenever I'm waiting for them to finish typing back. With voice I'd be stuck talking to one person for a while, then the other, and then finally still have to write this post. That is just far more involved and takes more time than just doing the three things simultaneously.

It's not about whether or not you can talk faster than you can type, most people will talk faster, but it's about how much you actually get done. Case in point: if the forums were voice-based and we had to listen to every single post instead of being able to read them that would certainly save a lot of time for everyone who actually "posts", but it would greatly increase the amount of time spent catching up on posts.

It's possible you have an entirely different pattern in which case we're just talking past each other .

If I were, I sure as hell wouldn't keep some poor girl on the engagement string for 7 years. Just sayin'

Here's the fix for "clothing stuck on skin" problem that can come up:

"Go into your inventory, left-click on your skin (search for "worn" if you don't know where it is), Ctrl-C to copy, then create a new folder and Ctrl-V for paste (just so you can tell the copy apart from the original). Go into the library and do the same for one of the skins there (copy it, then paste it into your inventory) and wear it. Then take everything you're wearing off. Now Edit / Preferences, Network, Clear Cache and relog. When you're back: rebake (Client or Advanced / Character / Rebake Textures), change back into the *copy* of your skin and rebake and you're done"

It took 102 seconds to type that out and that's all the time I would need to spend on the issue, the other person can refer back to what's typed and there's no need to spend any more time on it past that.

When you have someone who's clueless (not meant in a derogatory sense) giving them all that information in one go is pointless (if they're not clueless I could have just typed "make a copy of your skin, wear one from library, clear cache and relog, rebake, wear the copy, rebake and done" which is about 20 seconds' worth); they'll hear a lot of gibberish, won't retain any of it and will just make a mess of it so you're stuck having to explain it step-by-step as they do it which is where it gets tedious and horribly slow.

I actually did talk someone through that one a while back and it took about 10-20 minutes instead of the 2 minutes it would have taken for me to just type it out and even "Open your inventory, left-click on your skin, Ctrl-C to copy, create a new folder and Ctrl-V to paste it there to tell the copy apart from the original" was too much information at the same time and had to be broken down into 5 discrete steps.

So yes, something that takes 5 to 10 times as long is tedious and slow because it's the "in one ear, out the other" fleeting aspect of voice that causes you to have to slow down to the pace the other is capable of with following along.

The compiling the viewer 101 in the shadow draft thread would easily take an hour to talk someone through; you wouldn't want to do that on voice *unless* you were standing there right next to them and could point out where they have to click and what they have to change. There's no benefit to doing it in voice only for either party, it's a waste of time.

Surgery would be a rather silly example, I'd much rather have a doctor that studied a textbook than one who simply listened to the audio version of it. The aspect that does provide immense added value is seeing someone perform something along with a narrative explanation (and obviously practicing it yourself afterwards) but you can't decouple the voice from the actual action there. Torley's video with audio only would be utterly useless, it's the combination of voice and visual material that provides the actual value there, not voice.

In the same way seeing someone build in-world while they're talking is of little value compared to having someone sitting next to you and talking as they go along since you can actually observe their actions rather than merely the result of them.

When it comes to learning or explaining voice is a good supportive medium to highlight things, but just voice by itself has no advantage over text and certainly none that make up for the ability to refer back to text afterward.

I guess it comes down to whatever works for you...but it is VASTLY more effective (at least for me) to talk me through a given procedure, than the back and forth texts of try this and that if the original instructions are not working.

No cuddling and handholding? See how much I'm going to help YOU out, Kittywaffle ...

Hrumph!

If its voice versus typing, then typing wins everyday. I can imagine the person and not have to put up with a grotty voice that sends shivers down my spine. Typing makes much more sense. Anyway, its easier to "read" a person in their written words - a calm smooth liar always sounds smoothly calm. At least, that's what my Gran always said.

Wrong. There is no comparison between webcams and guns, and you know it, so I won't elaborate.

No, and I don't need to. The school of common sense says that people in general cannot type a fast as they can talk.

I refer again to the school of common sense.

Simply because it is. If you can't see it, there's noithing I can say to help you.

Easy, yes, but so much slower to type.

Spelling isn't an issue, and people in general can type, however fast or slow. Incidentally, I don't believe for a second that anyone can type as fast as they can talk.

You need to think about my second point instead of asking so many non-questions. If you don't understand it, I'm not going to explain it to you. But, imo, you do understand it very well.

ok..I read the first post, and a bit of the last one.. and I have one thing to say...

Are people seriously comparing webcams to GUNS!? WTF!? Unless you try really really really fricking hard you aren't going to kill someone with a webcam. Or maim them, or just about anything. You might get them embarrassed, and in some cases in legal trouble, but a gun can do far more damage.

There is no comparison. A camera is a camera. A gun is a gun. Completely different in every aspect (OK, they may use some of the same materials in making them...), and on way different levels of possible evil.

Did I say they operated on the same type or level of damage? Nope. I was very clear where I was stating the similarities lie, and once again, they are in the responsibility for proper use that each demands. You can be as obtuse as you'd like about this subject, but until you can illustrate how either one of them is incapable of being misused in its own way we really have nothing to debate here.

Kasha, you're full of waffle - to put it nicely - and I don't have time to debate with a waffler. But I'll just say 2 things...

1. guns can kill - webcams can't.

2. Non-questions are those that you asked - silly, nonsensical questions.

I hope that helps - but I doubt it.

Honey, a pencil can be misused. In fact I have a piece of pencil lead embedded in my thigh from one such occasion.

EVERYTHING can be abused. Even things some think are holy, like, say, the bible. I've seen that misused many many times.

The fact is, whether intentionally or not, by even mentioning guns, what you did was imply that they were somewhere around the same level, guns and webcams, and that's just plain stupid. I didn't read the original remark. I don't need to. People have begun to more often use larger, more shocking things to get their point across, even when it doesn't make sense.

You have to be responsible with EVERYTHING. Period. Otherwise something ends up broken, or someone gets hurt, or what have you.

Webcams are no more abusable than SL is in and of itself. By being in SL, there's a helluva lot of flack you can get, just because of what SL has contained within it's virtual walls. And you are not anonymous in SL either, we can find out who each other is easily if we try hard enough.

A webcam just gets rid of a tiny layer of that anonymity, and adds to the likelihood of making a fool of yourself.

Personally, I don't think that guns should have been mentioned within a mile of this conversation. The act of doing so, to me, is an attempt to escalate what is in reality a small issue, to something far worse.

And I say one more time, I haven't read the original remark, or most of this thread. This is my reaction based off of the last few posts. Ignore me if you like, I don't care.