WebCam and Voice = Sex Acts/Porn in SL?

There have been comments recently about the use of webcams and voice to prove gender. I am also concerned that these are tools that allow for sl to become a vehicle for porn and even the commerce associated with it. Now, I am NOT a prude but I have noticed a distinct "swing" towards a demand for voice or cam by men. Women should be careful of being on voice or camera - despite the protestations of their sex partners. For some of us, our appearance on web cam or the use of our voice could have serious consequences in reality.
What do other people think? We have had gambling and child abuse - are we simply going to be known as another redlight "district" of the web?

There is _pornography_ in Second Life? Surely you jest.

I agree that voice and cams are quite risky for women. I have never used either, and neither has my partner.

I think that it could develop into a serious issue when webcams and voice are employed USING secondlife as the vehicle for this. Ofcourse there is sex here. But I think its going to create problems for everyone if sl is associated with a more "dangerous" sex trade than the secondlife world we know.
I also dont use voice or webcam even with my partner to protect each other's integrity and privacy in the real world. I dont think it has impaired our relationship in sl.

SL is a adult community. Adults have sex. Adults have voice and web-cams, therefore they can use this for sex.

Jig, what is your definition of 'sex between two consenting adults' and 'porn' or do you consider them to be the same.

What's your point?

My point is that this will be a site used by people who can take a relatively innocent website and use it to their advantage - remember the furor over child avatars?
Using a site as a means to gain financially from sex, for example, may be illegal in some places. Sex and pron are closely linked. But the porn industry is NOT simply sex between two consenting adults that is just a little "naughty". Sorry Dekka, your point is too glib.

Sex is the #2 industry in SL. There already is porn here. If you don't want your avatar associated with any form of porn, stay off the poseballs. It's just as incriminating as webcam or video once people make the connection with the rl identity.

I don't quite see your point, if you don't want to use voice or a webcam then don't use them.

Bad associations with sex is usually a media lead thing, 'Mum of three (children) as sex with postman' the emphasis on 'she has children' but this mum of three could be actually the wife of the postman, but the majority of people who would read that in a newspaper will gennerally believe that the postman would be unrelated to the woman and that the woman was putting her children at risk. I'm sorry if I am wrong, but all your postings on sex in SL seem to come from this point of view.

My POINT is that I fear SL will/is being used for more than just a "nookie" - it's a perfect place to acquire/disseminate porn.

I understand and emphasize with people pressuring for voice, especially with a group of people there hopping onto the bandwagon as well, but being pressured to go on voice with a "Are you happy now?" and turning it back off is a far cry from going on voice to have voice sex. Webcam sex is even further removed from that.

Those particular services have been offered on SL for forever though. I remember a friend telling me about a club - this was late summer 2006 - where an escort was on cam (media stream) and voice (audio stream) and was disrobing live for tips to the point of self-pleasuring if the tips only got high enough. I asked for a tp and left just feeling sorry that anyone would sink that low for a few L$ (I don't remember exactly but if everyone's tips added up to L$2k or so she'd get naked which really was just beyond belief).

As far as friends I know who escort: I know some only relunctantly offer voice because the rest is offering it and they feel they need to stay "competetive", but it's still a conscious and willing choice they make. Whether it's a sane choice is something else entirely (I remember one particularly big bit of drama when I used to be on IRC where one regular had cam sex with another regular who turned out to have captured the entire session and just sent her video around without consent) but it's up to each individual whether it's worth it or not.

It already is. Webcam Island for a start.

Right - Soooooo - what I am pointing out is that THIS usage of the site by unscrupulous people could jeopardize secondlife's future - and will certainly attract attention by law enforcement agencies. Free sex is fine. It's when it gains financial profits from solicitation etc that the problems arise.
Anyway, I'm off to Wimbledon. Just thought I would pose that question before I watch Nadal beat Federer.

My belief is that everything other than sexual penetration of whichever orifice in real life is just pure selfish maturbation. It's one man and his hand, one woman and her finger, in theory probably the safest sex in society today.

Why try and bring down this form of safe sex, is this not better than convincing young adults to turn off their computers and copulate like rabbits.

I myself have no problems with either method.

There's only two methods?
Wimbledon calls!

Jig it's already here and has been here for some time, the sky hasn't fallen yet.

Love Deuce

Never mind. Forget I typed/spoke.

I am not opposed to it being in SL, but I do think it poses some risks for women, especially if used extensively. It honestly has not been an issue in my SL, because in the circles I move no-one at all uses voice or cams.

I'd just like to add, I have never had sex in SL.

Heh, that's a discussion for a different thread, though.

Poor sod. Never mind, eh?
Seriously, I think that happens when people partner and it becomes part of the deeper relationship. I do have sex in sl and have never been ashamed of it - But I do it silently and with great skill.

If you're doing it with great skill, it's not silent.

Anyone that says "I would never pay for sex" obviously has never been married. It is the most likely reason prostitution is the world's oldest profession. A profession, btw, that has skillfully and creatively thwarted law enforcement for millennia.

But if you think you're going to get a ban on web/voice... forget it. LL wants voice for business applications. It's here to stay.

If you think you're going to be able to control or restrict what people do in the privacy of their own SL experience.... forget it.

Me, I use Skype for web/voice when my partner and I engage in pornographic SL entertainment simply because the SL voice system is so unreliable. How would you stop me from doing that?

SL ** ALREADY IS** associated with sex/porn and the commerce associated with it... Stroker made sure the whole world associated SL with porn with his sex-bed lawsuit.

If you were really worried that somehow sex/porn were going to be the downfall of SL, I would argue that it has actually been one of the most driving forces of this platform. To distinguish webcam/voice as somehow being more "dangerous" to the world perception of a sex-filled SL then a 250 pose sex-bed is just plain silly.

If law-enforcement wanted to start shutting down websites for soliciting payment for webcam hookers, they have many many places they can turn before worrying about SL... just type "Webcam sex" into your favorite search engine, I bet SL doesn't even come up very high on the list. I'll give you a few starters: rude.com and xtube.

If you are worried that webcam/voice is a security risk for the participants... well, they're all adults and should be able to evaluate the risk for themselves. Just as they have evaluated the emotional risk of becoming sexually involved with someone they know only as pixels.

Bottom line? Pretty much a non-issue, friend. The interwebz iz for pron. Woot!

The two issues of "gender verification" and "pornography" are pretty distinct. The easy one is the use of voice or video for verifying gender: That's just profoundly silly. If somebody doesn't trust another resident enough to believe in their RL gender, that resident should surely not trust the other with video, voice, or RL images; just by asking, that other resident has raised suspicions that he's a disgusting RL wanker at best, and quite possibly a stalker. Anyone facing such a request should run for the exits and not look back.

The pornography thing is trickier. Although the potential exists, I think current in-world webcams have almost nothing to do with actual pornography: as Kitty points out, the "take" is so incredibly paltry in any RL currency that even the most pathetically impoverished would make better wages doing almost anything, almost anywhere in RL. (The same is true for the whole in-world escort trade, really: it's fine, maybe, for earning a few L$s for shopping and maybe a bit of RL spending money, but all the media hype about high-revenue SL escorts is a crock: nobody's sending their kids through college on a few US$s per half-hour. MacD pays better.)

So I think escorts using webcams aren't doing it to compete, but rather to add to the same gratification they get from escorting in general--which one dearly hopes is not for the very faint "ka-ching". (This is emphatically *not* to denigrate that other gratification: to each her own, especially in such matters.)

One other observation: Personally, RL porn images, videos, and webcams seem kind of beside the point in SL... or, if they *are* the point, SL seems pretty irrelevant. The same isn't so true of voice, though: I'd guess that, eventually, "talkies" will be the way of the world for the SL sex trade--and probably cybering in general. And then will vanish the Internet genre of real-time erotic literature. *sniffs*

I found sex once in SL... so I gave them 5l and landmarks to all the free hair and skins so it was better sex.

Gotta take care of the new ones.. ^^