WebCam and Voice = Sex Acts/Porn in SL?

I don't use voice that often but I find it slows me down if I am trying to type to someone at the same time I'm building. And meetings with more than three people go more smoothly when we are on voice.

IF you don't like this, maybe you should try hanging out at some different places in SL! Jeez! I have been in SL for 2 and a half years, and have NEVER had to hear someone getting themselves off when I didn't want to hear it.

[edit to add:]But I'm not a woman. But I think women should be just as capable as men of being able to CHOOSE who with and where they spend their time. If people are freaking you out, move on! It's not hard. Reference : Real Life [/edit]

Any debate here is not about SL. All the issues are the same, whether you are talking about websites, IRC, MSN chat, Second Life, private forums, phone sex, whatever. It is really nothing to do with SL.

Then you're better off if you tell them to shove it and walk away.

One thing about webcam and voice, which I haven't seen discussed yet, is that the guy on the receiving end can very easily record your voice and video stream without your knowledge, and then who knows where it would end up. It's way too risky to in SL unless you're already selling webcam services outside SL; but if your video/voice ends up on a porn site somewhere, and you expected anonymity, it would affect you in RL, and you'd have a difficult time fighting it. Be careful.

Couldn't one make the same statement about a gun? No danger at all in and of itself, right? So then you'd of course have no problem with universal access to them with no filtering and no pre-screening whatsoever as well as no direct and easily traversed path to punishing those who "choose" to use them to harm others - right?



Have you surveyed "most of us" then? And why is voice simply better than typing - because you say so? Why is it a whole lot easier to explain what's been said verbally than with typing? If you have any degree of literacy whatsoever, wouldn't it be equally easy to type and say the same sentence? Unless of course you can't spell the words you say, in which case I guess you have a point. But if one isn't a noob and typing is truly that uphill a journey then why would one join a world based entirely on typed communication in the first place?

And in what universe is your second point functionally relevant? Should e-mail be done away with because you wouldn't e-mail someone in the same room? How about messageboards? What does one thing have to do with the other?

there's WebCam, Voice, Sex Acts and Porn in SL?

I don't know...

I can't see anyone talking to me about porn or sex in SL...

your mother always told you 'that' would cause blindness. theres your proof!

Business in the webcam sex porn industry in SL has probably experienced a notable increase owing to this thread.

This would be a way to get some advertising for a business, eh? Start the business you don't want to be associated with using an alt, then start a thread opposing the business with your regular account. Or if you don't want to be associated with opposing the business then use alts for both. Main account only has to count the money. The thread doesn't get closed or moved for being an ad because it's and opionion piece. Thread stays alive so long as people debate the point.

Hahahaha! Silly girl! Now that your ideas have been exposed to us using our magic Script of Loose Lips we will simply take your plans for ourselves! Bathing in your tears of bitterness, spending Linden after ill-gotten Linden, and laughing at your unrealized dreams - FOREVER!!!!! Mwahahahaha!!!

Unwanted pregnancies through microphones are on the rise, as is the transmission of AIDS through webcams!! So please women, be aware of the dangers!

Seriously, if more people masturbated using webcams, stuff like AIDS, prostitution, rape and women trafficing would probably happen less.

Ah, oops, you maybe meant the danger of being forced (at gunpoint) to show both your face and your genitals on the web? Woah, a real danger, but only to women!

Some of you protest just a little too much (to paraphrase Shakespeare). One small point - if people are so "miffed" by my thread why do they keep placing comments? Let's close it down and people can get back to the "oops sorry" one and dust off the crumbs.

Wrong. There is no comparison between webcams and guns, and you know it, so I won't elaborate.

No, and I don't need to. The school of common sense says that people in general cannot type a fast as they can talk.

I refer again to the school of common sense.

Simply because it is. If you can't see it, there's noithing I can say to help you.

Easy, yes, but so much slower to type.

Spelling isn't an issue, and people in general can type, however fast or slow. Incidentally, I don't believe for a second that anyone can type as fast as they can talk.

You need to think about my second point instead of asking so many non-questions. If you don't understand it, I'm not going to explain it to you. But, imo, you do understand it very well.

Wow, Phil, calm down. It's just a thread. I type fast therefore I am. So does Kascha, prolly. Maybe its a generational/educational thing. Webcams are dangerous - inspect some of teh uglier postings on Utube. Personally I wish I hadnt started the thread. It now seems an exercise in futility. Let it die.

So Mitch tells us. But then, he seemed to think he had to press Play on his viewer so we could see his videos, so... maybe he belongs over in the Horny Newbie thread.

But these three quoted sentences combined is what mystifies me about using voice in SL. It's exactly *because* voice is so valuable for talking with someone in the same room that makes it so difficult for me to envision an opportunity to use it in SL without having to first adopt a fairly pathetic RL. Seriously: the day I could afford to give over the precious bandwidth of the RL voice/auditory channel to SL would be the day I'd have to get the hell away from SL and get myself a real Real Life.

I speak to fast, I have a somewhat guttural accent which takes people in RL two years to understand, in RL with the level of technology it is at now, I'm guessing they would only start to understand me two years after the technology improves. (ok it's not bad, but just a point).


Didn't you start a thread saying it was?

Nooooooo

I started a thread about using the wrong words - in 2 cases. Other people talked about grammar and spelling - not me

I'm sure they can be dangerous (like guns), but they are not inherently dangerous. What can be dangerous about talking with someone via webcams? I said earlier that what people do and/or say on wecams is their own choice. If they choose to do and say things that they wouldn't like everyone to see or hear, it's their own choice, but webcams themselves offer no dangers or risks to either men or women, and the thread was about women. Also, webcams are nothing to do with SL.

Phil is probably thinking of all the poor guys who have to type with one hand!

i think this is already being done. =/ but it's brilliant, nonetheless.

what's missing from typed text is the tone and inclination that occurs with verbal coommunication.

you can "hear" a flirty comment, snarky one, naughty *wink* one, angry one, etc. in type, it all seems kurt and forthwright, even if it's meant to be gentle and light, and it takes SO MANY MORE words to be gentle in type compared to verbal communication.

any adult has years worth of common sense (based on life experiences) that dictates this. if you can't understand what Phil is saying, you are either playing him stupid, are you just are stupid.

If you can talk/listen to as many people at the same time as you can type to then you should give performances .

It's very unusual for me to not have at least one IM going, regardless of where I am. In most cases I'll have half a dozen "on/off" IMs where noone expects a fluent conversation because we're both busy with something and conversation tends to flow whenever there's a few spare seconds, along with 2-4 "active" conversations that are constant and ongoing and I'll have half an eye out following main/group chat.

You are correct that most people will be able to speak faster than they can type, but your reading (be it comprehensive reading or just unconscious diagonal skimming) speed is many times that.

And the best benefit of text: it's there to recap whenever you need to, you don't need to dedicate all of your attention on one single person or risk missing half of what is being said before you can pick up again.

I wouldn't want to explain how to do anything to someone over voice, it's just far too tedious and slow. You can't give them all the information at once because they'll forget what you said in the beginning by the time you get halfway through so you're stuck have to explain it step-by-step and then waste time waiting for them to complete that one step before you can move on to the next one.

Voice is great for more intimate (in the emotional sense, not the adult sense) and personal one-on-one conversation, but for everything else it just falls short because it lacks the multitasking and efficiency of text.

Yes that why No one reads books anymore since Talking books came out.....

Personly I prefer written text for cyber, maybe its cause im older and am used to that style, maybe its because I like to print it out and read it again later (if it was good and not someone typing MmmmmMMmm x 50 then "I'm a Cummin!"

I realy look at cyber as a sort of co-operative communal errotic writting, two people writting a "dirty book" together... you just dont get that same permanence with voice.

I do however agree if it's for non social use, voice is great... but why use SL for that... call them on the phone, its much clearer. and yes I do understand SL is promoting that feature to business, but for personal use ... well I guess it can save on long distance charges...

Oh, I agree. Textual cyber done well is a literary artform, Im convinced. And, much better than whatever it is the avas on poseballs are doing.

I don't mind the occasional "mmm" ... but long quiet moments are almost worse. Are they busy? Or suffering the nVidia freeze bug?

I don't really think that webcams can be "dangerous like guns". Unless you have been buying some particularly useless guns, or some particularly unsafe webcams.

I don't subscribe to the webcam user thing at all really, esp not for SL and even more so to verify my gender. If people are that suspicious (and no one ever has been in my case) then I don't care to talk anyway.

I've also never been pressured to chat on voice either. Maybe I don't look enough of a pushover for people to try? LOL.

I hardly ever voice now, certainly not in public - who knows, if another venue where voice chat becomes fun again I probably will. It's main function tends to be sexy stuff, in my case, anyway Then again, I don't think just using voice is a danger in and of itself - that seems batso to me, sorry.

Have to agree with Kylie that text based reigns supreme so long as you have someone who can match you ... THAT is the problem. As a friend of mine says, adding more mmmmms does not increase desire or desirability.