Yeah I do wish everybody could just mind their own business about such things. No amount of discussion makes any of this an actual real problem. Don't like it? Don't do it, and avoid places that promote it. And really, once people turn on webcams it has nothing to do with SL any more - SL was just the medium which allowed (presumably) consenting adults to chat and agree to try other internet activities together. In this case, face-to-face (well, insert other body parts as necessary) via webcam. Big deal, nothing new either.
I do find it rather tactless that people these days are insisting on voice and/or cam "verification", but it doesn't work anyway and it should set off warning sirens when one encounters such folks. But still, that's no more a problem than many other things tactless people do every day, easily solved (leave, unfriend and/or mute) and bundling it together with assumptions about virtual sex just seems like a silly way to draw more attention to a rather ho-hum issue.
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Anti Antonelli
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07-06-2008 13:59
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Conifer Dada
Hiya m'dooks!
Join date: 6 Oct 2006
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07-06-2008 14:12
I have never felt pressured by anyone to use voice or webcam in SL. I tried out voice once or twice but nobody heard me anyway so I gave up. My RL has used the webcam a few times on networking sites (not cyber or anything!). I just get accepted as I am in SL, a happy drifter who doesn't interfere with anyone.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
Forums Rock!
Join date: 22 Dec 2003
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07-06-2008 14:23
Given the connection some folks make between child porn and SL, and claims that terrorists use SL to plan their acts, SL being associated with consenting adults doing web cam sex voluntarily might actually improve its reputation.
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Har Fairweather
Registered User
Join date: 24 Jan 2007
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07-06-2008 14:36
Given the connection some folks make between child porn and SL, and claims that terrorists use SL to plan their acts, SL being associated with consenting adults doing web cam sex voluntarily might actually improve its reputation. Heh, have to agree. To the extent that use of voice or webcam might be used against an unsuspecting person - most likely a woman, but one can imagine scenarios for discomfiting a man, it is POSSIBLY a danger to the person doing it. As I believe the entertainer Pearl Bailey once said, "A GIRL HAS TO BE CAREFUL." From the point of view of SL, the possible ah, creative, uses of voice and webcam sound like a strong selling point, at least with some potential audiences. |
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Kitty Barnett
Registered User
Join date: 10 May 2006
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07-06-2008 15:09
Hi there, Correct me if I am wrong, but from the way I see it the problem that will arise is from the know-it-all computer geek, who videos a webcam show off of SL..Then copies it and sells it to his mates and whoever..Making the unsuspecting woman some blokes jerk off material...Now how do you think the woman would feel if this material got into the hands of people who she associates with or her family...How would a woman deal with this kind of problem.. Happened on IRC 5-6 years ago already (concerning someone I knew anyway) and likely many years before that so this is hardly a new problem. You can't really solve it *after* the fact either, the only "solution" is to be sensible and realistic: it's generally unlikely but possible that someone is going to capture a webcam feed, even if it's someone you implicitly trust. The more people you cam with, the bigger the risk becomes. Anyone who's considering using a webcam for a "sex show" - whether paid or not - should confront themselves with the posibility of someone else seeing it (no matter how remote the real chance of it happening it), at worst someone they know. If that's something that's going to cause serious problems (marriage, job, etc), leave the cam off and go take a cold shower. |
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Isablan Neva
Mystic
Join date: 27 Nov 2004
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07-06-2008 16:04
Anyone who's considering using a webcam for a "sex show" - whether paid or not - should confront themselves with the posibility of someone else seeing it (no matter how remote the real chance of it happening it), at worst someone they know. Exactly, and I'd go a step further and suggest that anyone (women especially) understand to extreme likelihood that you are being recorded and what that may mean in the wrong hands. As they say, "The Internet is Forever." You can never fully take back again anything that leaves your computer. _____________________
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Ceka Cianci
SuperPremiumExcaliburAcc#
Join date: 31 Jul 2006
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07-06-2008 16:20
There have been comments recently about the use of webcams and voice to prove gender. I am also concerned that these are tools that allow for sl to become a vehicle for porn and even the commerce associated with it. Now, I am NOT a prude but I have noticed a distinct "swing" towards a demand for voice or cam by men. Women should be careful of being on voice or camera - despite the protestations of their sex partners. For some of us, our appearance on web cam or the use of our voice could have serious consequences in reality. What do other people think? We have had gambling and child abuse - are we simply going to be known as another redlight "district" of the web? the main reason i won't do voice or cam is because they are too easy to record.. i've already had a folder of pictures stolen a few years back when someone i trusted was trying to help me with something with my computer through remote access and msn.. It's no fun seeing very intimate private pictures of you that a boyfriend had taken ending up in a gaming forum of people you know and then spread all over.. anyone that puts themselves out there in video and voice or even images puts themselves at6 risk.. this is the reason i have a 250 pound mastiff for a dog not a cute Pomeranian like i wanted.. just be very careful..i know not everyone is like that but all you have to do is feel comfy doing it and sooner or later someone will abuse your trust.. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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07-06-2008 16:26
this is the reason i have a 250 pound mastiff for a dog not a cute Pomeranian like i wanted.. I like cute dogs too. That's why I have a shotgun....... _____________________
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Ceka Cianci
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07-06-2008 16:42
I like cute dogs too. That's why I have a shotgun....... i have a gun but a shotgun is a bit too much for me..I have a 22 rifle and a 9mm liberty which will hold 50 shots and a 9mm Barreta that i wear with the should holster for when we go horseback riding.. i can't really shoot anything too big because i flinch too much because of the push of the gun and know it's gonna push me hard so we got these for me.. i love my dog Jed..he is just too playful and would probably hurt any smaller dog i had gotten just from play time. _____________________
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Hana Timtam
::Piratess Princess::
Join date: 11 Apr 2006
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07-06-2008 17:04
Right - Soooooo - what I am pointing out is that THIS usage of the site by unscrupulous people could jeopardize secondlife's future - and will certainly attract attention by law enforcement agencies. Free sex is fine. It's when it gains financial profits from solicitation etc that the problems arise. Anyway, I'm off to Wimbledon. Just thought I would pose that question before I watch Nadal beat Federer. you do realise pornography isn't illegal right? i mean. even if SL turned into a total porn paradise, porn isn't illegal so the site wouldn't be jeopardized. i mean even paying for porn isn't illegal. and so far how laws are written i don't believe prostitution can happen online. there is NO exchange of "sex" since i believe legally (at least in the USA) sex (when referring to prostitution) is a physical act. you can pay for phone sex in the USA from sex hotlines.. that ain't prostitution. nor is webcam sex. so i really don't get the leap you're making. |
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Dana Hickman
Leather & Lace™
Join date: 10 Oct 2006
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07-06-2008 17:17
I can see where this is going lol YES we need to ban any sex in SL sex and porn is evil  Jig if you dont like it dont do it tp out of places that do have it and stop trying to ban things that other people do use and like.  The original post says nothing about sex being bad, porn being evil, or suggests banning anything at all. Even the part you quoted only shows concern for what might happen if the media (she did say law, but the media is more detrimental when porn is legal) gets hold of it and blows it out of proportion... nothing more. No idea where the do-gooder zealot thing came from at all...  |
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Victorria Paine
Sleepless in Wherever
Join date: 13 Jul 2007
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07-06-2008 17:19
Exactly, and I'd go a step further and suggest that anyone (women especially) understand to extreme likelihood that you are being recorded and what that may mean in the wrong hands. As they say, "The Internet is Forever." You can never fully take back again anything that leaves your computer. Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! Yes, this has significant risks for women. The men in this thread are like "hehe, she wants to display right, so WTF, and STFU". That's all well and good except that newbie residents may be more easily wheedled into doing this when it's against their best interests. I mean there is a huge difference between a jaded SL whore looking for a leg up in turning tricks, on the one hand, and a newbie female who may be misled to believe that camming is anything close to normative grid-wide. Women beware. We need to take care of ourselves. |
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Ceka Cianci
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07-06-2008 17:22
the concern that worries me is not the laws we have right now in the U.S but that if enough attention is given and enough evidence is shown that laws can easily be made down the road..
i would hope LL would fight that push if it ever came because a lot of industries that are not so popular have fought for their rights to freedom of speech and expression..i would hate to see it fold here..people are pretty free to do as they wish on the net..i just hope industries fight for it as much as they have off the net _____________________
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Ricardo Harris
Registered User
Join date: 1 Apr 2006
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07-06-2008 17:24
I am not opposed to it being in SL, but I do think it poses some risks for women, Women can take care of themselves. They can either act the part of being a prude. Notice I said "act" and with great emphasis too. They can come here as some do and play the "oh, god not me I don't have sex in sl" while all along doing it or wanting to do in deep secret but so far haven't for lack of whatever. Or they can act as adults and take it in stride doing whatever they want [as adults] without any shame whatsoever. |
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Victorria Paine
Sleepless in Wherever
Join date: 13 Jul 2007
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07-06-2008 17:28
Women can take care of themselves. They can either act the part of being a prude. Notice I said "act" and with great emphasis too. They can come here as some do and play the "oh, god not me I don't have sex in sl" while all along doing it or wanting to do in deep secret but so far haven't for lack of whatever. Or they can act as adults and take it in stride doing whatever they want [as adults] without any shame whatsoever. Like I have ever agreed with one word you have ever written in these forums, Ricardo, but thanks for responding to my post. You're a perfect example of why I am happy I am not hetero. |
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Hana Timtam
::Piratess Princess::
Join date: 11 Apr 2006
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07-06-2008 17:43
Ding Ding Ding! I mean there is a huge difference between a jaded SL whore looking for a leg up in turning tricks, on the one hand, and a newbie female who may be misled to believe that camming is anything close to normative grid-wide. Women beware. We need to take care of ourselves. an innocent newbie is still suppose to be an adult. an adult is not some "innocent lamb child" if an adult has a webcam hooked up to their computer (they certainly aren't entirely "computer or internet dumb)... So even if they are a newbie to SL, they can hardly be "talked into doing something sexual" on their webcam because they are too "new and dumb" to realise this is not the norm. or.. if they can be talked into it, i fear for these gullible people even more in RL. image what things they blindly walk into everyday! i shudder. i hate this whole "it's extra dangerous for women" theme. Like women are all helpless walking victims.... |
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Victorria Paine
Sleepless in Wherever
Join date: 13 Jul 2007
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07-06-2008 17:46
i hate this whole "it's extra dangerous for women" theme. Like women are all helpless walking victims.... ' Reason is that women are 1000 times more likely to have their cams (or voices) further distributed than men are. Fact of life. Men's stuff doesn't have the same audience. |
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Lucrezia Lamont
Neko Onmyoji
Join date: 25 Jan 2007
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07-06-2008 18:07
i feel put under alot of pressure to use both cam and voice....called a liar and accused of having a penis. I'd probably respond with "Oh baby, oh yes I've got a penis. It's big, hard and made of silicone. Wanna deep throat it?" Sorry, I shouldn't make light. But at least there's enough variety in SL to hopefully fall in with the right people. I hope you find some clients who want you as you as you are in SL. Good luck. _____________________
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Tristin Mikazuki
Sarah Palin ROCKS!
Join date: 9 Oct 2006
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07-06-2008 19:00
The original post says nothing about sex being bad, porn being evil, or suggests banning anything at all. Even the part you quoted only shows concern for what might happen if the media (she did say law, but the media is more detrimental when porn is legal) gets hold of it and blows it out of proportion... nothing more. No idea where the do-gooder zealot thing came from at all... It is implyed in not just the 1st post. Its way better to kill the bug before it lays its eggs then try to kill it after. _____________________
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Kokoro Fasching
Pixie Dust and Sugar
Join date: 23 Dec 2005
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07-06-2008 19:01
Just put your picture in your RL tab like I did... if they choose not to believe it, it is their loss, not yours.. ^^
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Blu Cazalet
SL 2 RL? CROSSING BORDERS
Join date: 28 Jul 2007
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07-06-2008 19:13
an innocent newbie is still suppose to be an adult. an adult is not some "innocent lamb child" if an adult has a webcam hooked up to their computer (they certainly aren't entirely "computer or internet dumb)... So even if they are a newbie to SL, they can hardly be "talked into doing something sexual" on their webcam because they are too "new and dumb" to realise this is not the norm. or.. if they can be talked into it, i fear for these gullible people even more in RL. image what things they blindly walk into everyday! i shudder. i hate this whole "it's extra dangerous for women" theme. Like women are all helpless walking victims.... I am RIGHT there with you. Granted ALL SL users might not be computer savvy, but I would venture to guess that the vast majority are, to the point that they have heard of the dangers lurking on the internet, SL or otherwise. I am quite sure there are people who get taken advantage of. However, if by now, you are not aware enough about the potential dangers, well, that's just ashame. Women are not these weak little innocent children that need protecting from the evils of the internet. If you put yourself out there, you BETTER be aware of the exposure you are lending yourself to. And if you can be so easily talked into cam sex, then exposure is the least of your worries. -Blu- (under wraps) _____________________
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Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
Join date: 3 May 2007
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07-06-2008 19:31
i feel put under alot of pressure to use both cam and voice. if i dont agree to at least voice i am literally griefed, bullied and verbally assaulted. called a liar and accused of having a penis. people assume its ok to have orgasms on voice around me and i have to mute people to avoid hearing it. they have a voice sexabitionist group now and apparently thats all these people do it moan into their mics in public areas for everyone to hear. i dont have a problem with the group but i think there should be a designated area for it and that the rest of us are not forced to participate. because even tho i can mute them, i still hear the beginning of it and frankly its traumatic for me. maybe im old fashioned or maybe im a bit uptight, i dont know. but i dont enjoy hearing strangers in sexual situations like that. its upsetting for me. i feel men in general are taking advantage of new features in sl to exploit females and worry web cams will be enabled next in world. its all just too much real life without any real life responsibilities. and i am not ok with it. Where in the (SL) world are you hanging out??? |
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Ceka Cianci
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Join date: 31 Jul 2006
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07-06-2008 20:54
i feel put under alot of pressure to use both cam and voice. if i dont agree to at least voice i am literally griefed, bullied and verbally assaulted. called a liar and accused of having a penis. people assume its ok to have orgasms on voice around me and i have to mute people to avoid hearing it. they have a voice sexabitionist group now and apparently thats all these people do it moan into their mics in public areas for everyone to hear. i dont have a problem with the group but i think there should be a designated area for it and that the rest of us are not forced to participate. because even tho i can mute them, i still hear the beginning of it and frankly its traumatic for me. maybe im old fashioned or maybe im a bit uptight, i dont know. but i dont enjoy hearing strangers in sexual situations like that. its upsetting for me. i feel men in general are taking advantage of new features in sl to exploit females and worry web cams will be enabled next in world. its all just too much real life without any real life responsibilities. and i am not ok with it. Just as in RL if you feel pressured by anyone i don't care who it is tell them to F off.. be assertive..i don't care if someone thinks i am woman or man or dog or cat or whatever..they are the one with the problem..Never make anyone put you into a position that you feel you have to prove who you are ..you know who you are and if they don't want to get to know you because of some homophobic weak minded weakness they carry around with them then send them to the virtual junk yard with the rest.. there are too many people in this virtual world to worry about one asshole..kick him in his virtual wee wee stones and call him a day gone by and enjoy the coming night. Pressure pfft..action and reaction you put pressure on the mute button not on yourself.AR those people for god sake..then get a new crowd.. _____________________
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Tristin Mikazuki
Sarah Palin ROCKS!
Join date: 9 Oct 2006
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07-06-2008 21:05
i feel put under alot of pressure to use both cam and voice. if i dont agree to at least voice i am literally griefed, bullied and verbally assaulted. called a liar and accused of having a penis. people assume its ok to have orgasms on voice around me and i have to mute people to avoid hearing it. they have a voice sexabitionist group now and apparently thats all these people do it moan into their mics in public areas for everyone to hear. i dont have a problem with the group but i think there should be a designated area for it and that the rest of us are not forced to participate. because even tho i can mute them, i still hear the beginning of it and frankly its traumatic for me. maybe im old fashioned or maybe im a bit uptight, i dont know. but i dont enjoy hearing strangers in sexual situations like that. its upsetting for me. i feel men in general are taking advantage of new features in sl to exploit females and worry web cams will be enabled next in world. its all just too much real life without any real life responsibilities. and i am not ok with it. Can I pressure you to give me all your stuff?  Sounds like you need to find a WAY better spot to hang out LOL Mute the people there clean your friends list and find better people... they are all over the grid like AV's on sex balls heh _____________________
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Snickers Snook
Odd Princess - Trout 7.3
Join date: 17 Apr 2007
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07-06-2008 21:05
Where in the (SL) world are you hanging out??? I use voice now and then -- it just depends on my mood and the circumstances. But it's never going to be because someone demands I prove I'm female. All that does is show they are only interested in you BECAUSE of your gender. Pfft. /me gives you a hot, passionate -- oh never mind. _____________________
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