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Should LL employees enable griefers?

Darien Caldwell
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08-25-2009 14:52
From: Lias Leandros
It is a public forum - not your personal blog. We refer to others here to make a point. And since you just confirmed I stated your exact motivations - I have no idea what the 'dig' was for.

Carry on.


if I was 'digging', it would have been something juicy. and I did use a smiley. Classic mis-interpretation. You stated what you thought my reasons were, I wanted to expand and clarify, because it's much more than your once sentence. not your blog either :)
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08-25-2009 14:57
From: Argent Stonecutter
You still have no evidence that any Linden was involved. The evidence that you have provided is third hand hearsay. It's "I heard that one of the crooks said that a cop was involved" followed by "a different cop showed up on another occasion and was verbally attacked. He didn't respond to the attack, he made a few polite comments, and left".

You can't even name the alleged WU person who allegedly implicated an unidentified Linden.


Photos and chatlogs and you say no evidence. some people are just determined to overlook even the most obvious evidence.
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08-25-2009 15:03
From: Darien Caldwell
Photos and chatlogs and you say no evidence. some people are just determined to overlook even the most obvious evidence.


Like the OJ trial and the DNA, blood evidence at both locations. :eek: ;)
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08-25-2009 15:16
From: Darien Caldwell
Photos and chatlogs and you say no evidence. some people are just determined to overlook even the most obvious evidence.
Photos that don't show any Lindens misbehaving.

Chatlogs that don't show any Lindens misbehaving.

You've shown evidence that

(a) someone vandalized Linden Lab's front door.
(b) Rodney Linden visited Prok's sim
(c) Rodney Linden behaved like a gentleman despite being abused

Where's the evidence of a "bad cop"?
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08-25-2009 15:21
*comes back after being out all day and peers* Yep, this is a thread worthy of Prok.

Look, really... does all this matter? Does it? Or are we just going to tear at each other over the defense of one person who actually, believe it or not, defend her/himself, even if it's not here?

This thread isn't even really about Prok anymore, either. It's all about personal attacks and such... I'm tossing in the towel on this one.
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08-25-2009 15:30
From: Darien Caldwell
Photos and chatlogs and you say no evidence. some people are just determined to overlook even the most obvious evidence.


I asked for pictures more-or-less tongue-in-cheek (presuming I had a cheek), but really, where are the pictures that prove what you say? Where are the chat logs backing up what you claim? What you have presented thus far proves nothing of what you said.

At best, you're just a bad journalist, looking to sensationalize something that didn't happen. It might be fine for the National Enquirer, but most intelligent people don't put a lot of stock in it.
Lias Leandros
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08-25-2009 15:33
From: Raudf Fox
Look, really... does all this matter? Does it?
Yes
From: someone
This thread isn't even really about Prok anymore, either. It's all about personal attacks and such... I'm tossing in the towel on this one.
It was suppose to be about Linden Lab employees inadvertently enabling griefers. Friendships over professionalism. Abuse of power and personal feelings over maturity.
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08-25-2009 15:40
From: Kidd Krasner
In other words, there is an SL equivalent to "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot".

I'm sorry, how could that possibly be considered libel? It's verifiable fact.

:D
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08-25-2009 15:40
From: Lias Leandros
Yes
It was suppose to be about Linden Lab employees inadvertently enabling griefers. Friendships over professionalism. Abuse of power and personal feelings over maturity.
But with a complete absence of evidence that any such thing occurred.
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08-25-2009 15:41
From: Kidd Krasner
It's the difference between "Going out alone, late at night, scantily clad, in a dangerous neighborhood is a stupid thing to do" and "That person deserved to be raped."

Agreed, generally. But were you to say of a rape victim "She was asking for it," I'd say you were blaming the victim too.
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08-25-2009 15:48
From: Argent Stonecutter
But with a complete absence of evidence that any such thing occurred.
Even the owner of Linden Lab was not obtuse enough to claim it did not happen. He knows better.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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08-25-2009 15:51
WHERE THE HELL IS THE LOCK??????

Look, we've had 283 . . . no, wait, 284 posts on this, and we are not, so far as I can see, any further along than we were when we started. And the reason for THAT is that we are still arguing over the same basic, flawed, incomplete documentary evidence.

I think that there is probably something about this whole affair that stinks. I am mildly alarmed at what MAY be a sort of culture of bullying developing in certain parts of LL.

BUT the evidence is at best suggestive. There just isn't enough to go on here. Maybe more will appear, but right now, a resolution to this simply isn't possible.

And in the ABSENCE of real evidence, we are instead defaming people (and I am not JUST talking about Prok), blaming them for their own victimization, and getting mighty nasty with each other.

I am personally declaring this thread closed. There. NO MORE POSTING, PEOPLE! I won't allow it. Stop it. NOW.

You heard me!
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08-25-2009 16:01
From: Scylla Rhiadra
WHERE THE HELL IS THE LOCK??????

Look, we've had 283 . . . no, wait, 284 posts on this, and we are not, so far as I can see, any further along than we were when we started. And the reason for THAT is that we are still arguing over the same basic, flawed, incomplete documentary evidence.

I think that there is probably something about this whole affair that stinks. I am mildly alarmed at what MAY be a sort of culture of bullying developing in certain parts of LL.

BUT the evidence is at best suggestive. There just isn't enough to go on here. Maybe more will appear, but right now, a resolution to this simply isn't possible.

And in the ABSENCE of real evidence, we are instead defaming people (and I am not JUST talking about Prok), blaming them for their own victimization, and getting mighty nasty with each other.

I am personally declaring this thread closed. There. NO MORE POSTING, PEOPLE! I won't allow it. Stop it. NOW.

You heard me!


What she said!!!!

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Lias Leandros
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08-25-2009 16:11
Immy asked for a lock this week and got it. Let Immy ask!
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08-25-2009 16:17
From: Brenda Connolly
What she said!!!!


You just got Pep all hot.
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08-25-2009 16:19
From: Darien Caldwell
iClassic mis-interpretation. You stated what you thought my reasons were,


There's some irony here.
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08-25-2009 16:19
From: Melita Magic
You just got Pep all hot.


He gets hot and we get bothered.
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08-25-2009 16:21
Sssshhhhhhh !!!!

SSSSHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!
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08-25-2009 16:22
From: Lias Leandros
Even the owner of Linden Lab was not obtuse enough to claim it did not happen.
Absence of evidence goes both ways. I have no proof no Linden was involved, either. I haven't said that it didn't happen. I have said that you have no evidence that it did. You STILL have no evidence that it did.

Just like you have no evidence of any of the other incidents you've tried to stir up here.
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Melita Magic
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08-25-2009 16:22
*giggles inappropriately*

(pretend Argent's post came after mine)
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08-25-2009 16:27
From: Scylla Rhiadra
WHERE THE HELL IS THE LOCK??????
If I were a moderator, I would feel I couldn't lock this thread, lest it seem (or BE) that LL was suppressing a legitimate whistleblower.

I COULD enter the thread and discourage to discourage the many uncool things going on.
:rolleyes:
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08-25-2009 16:30
From: Nika Talaj
If I were a moderator, I would feel I couldn't lock this thread, lest it seem (or BE) that LL was suppressing a legitimate whistleblower.

I COULD enter the thread and discourage to discourage the many uncool things going on.
:rolleyes:


I think when several residences are asking for a lock it would not seem unduly drastic to lock it. I will chime in requesting a lock. I do not think this thread is beneficial to anyone and believe it is actually trolling and detrimental.
Scylla Rhiadra
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08-25-2009 16:30
From: Nika Talaj
If I were a moderator, I would feel I couldn't lock this thread, lest it seem (or BE) that LL was suppressing a legitimate whistleblower.

I COULD enter the thread and discourage to discourage the many uncool things going on.
:rolleyes:

Yes, I suppose I can see that . . .

Well, in the absence of "higher authority," we'll just have to prove that we can act in a civil and adult manner ourselves.

OKAY! HEADS DOWN ON DESKS EVERYONE!!!!

/me glares at Melita and Argent.
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08-25-2009 16:32
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Originally Posted by Ponsonby Low
I believe the issue was centered more on the idea that Linden Lab gave an unofficial nod of approval to harassment of the resident in question (assuming the allegation that a Linden was present when the graffiti was made is true).




From: Melita Magic
I'm very unclear on this part. Based upon what, are people alleging this?



That seems rather vague at this point. It seems as though some events that occurred in San Francisco in front of the LL building are being conflated with some in-world encounters--'evidence' from in-world is being cited as 'evidence' of the San Francisco event in some ambiguous fashion.


From: Melita Magic
Proving intent is not easy even in a court of law - stating intent as fact is rarely, er, factual, more often a biased/subjective opinion.


I don't disagree at all with that. But if the allegation is that having a Linden standing by (allegedly) as people wrote hostile graffiti led to those people or other people feeling that in-world harassment of a resident had the Linden Seal of Approval, then intent might not matter.

Again, it all does seem rather tenuous. (Still, that doesn't render the underlying issues moot or unworthy of discussion.)
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08-25-2009 16:33
From: Scylla Rhiadra
OKAY! HEADS DOWN ON DESKS EVERYONE!!!!

/me glares at Melita and Argent.


*head down on desk, points to Ponsonby*

SHE DID IT!!!!

*blows bubblegum*

*throws a paper airplane for good measure*
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