Should LL employees enable griefers?

It is not healthy to allow someone to effect you to this point. Try resisting the urge posting anymore personal attacks against her.

Try to love her.

oh i'm sorry!

http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2009/08/the-lindens-are-in-on-it.html


When you read those kind of transcript she post, i'm sorry where i work we do not accept to deal with peoples that think they can be smug, arrogant and disrespectful like this.

LL is the autority here, you would talk to a police officier like this and expect to get away with it?

Come on/ "I was out of town when it happened. You can check my GPS." Classic corporate denialability.
"managing online communities" means turning your computer on. Real life community development is a lot more intimate and intuitive. You really cannot be saying that the SL community has been managed in a proper manner?

If that were the case we would not be having this conversation right now.
Some folks in the pics were tagged with their Linden Names in Facebook. But all of that has been cleansed now that this thread popped up.

I am sure Linden Lab has cameras in front of their offices - and Phil can log into those cameras anytime he wants (I have the same setup. Just go to www.x10.com). Mine have night vision. Had them since 2004. And Linden Lab knows what UUIDs went to Prok's property all week and caused damage. And the people on the party bus know who wrote the offending remark.

Will any of them tell the actual truth, apologize and then put this all behind us? Absolutely not.

Yes I would.

LL is a service provider, like my telephone company. I do not expect Verizon to send out some other customers to throw rocks through my windows.

Or the truth.

I think you need to wash your hands.

I am sure Des will forgive me for cross-posting his post from another forum. Or not.

If you understand why your behavior is inappropriate, Lias, why does it persist?

Well as you posted here on his behalf he probably will but Des did say he didn't want to post his thoughts here on this forum. Kinda rude to do that to him in my opinion but Des is a big boy and can speak for himself.

Exactly. And when you release your thoughts in print on the internet they are viewable by anyone. I thought it ruder to post a link to another forum.

His message was a good one.

President who? Was that an analogy?



How do you know if he is lying? Why assume he knew about it? Based on nothing there are all these accusations flying as if it were on tape.



So this does not mean they were there or knew about it. Maybe the bus split up for lunch or something. A bus holds a lot of people.

This is all seeming a bit grassy knoll-ish, to me.

Of course the front of the building is on tape. People have threatened all sort of stuff to LL because of decisions they have made over the years. I will not accept that they do not have the basic security Walmart has.
LOL, it is a PARTY BUS, dear. Not a tour Bus. It is for drinking and partying and acting foolish (as is evident).
Well, it all happened to an unlikeable character. So it is easier to call her crazy and dismiss it. But some of us that have been following this since it started saw the pictures and text before the cleansings and we know better.

Darien only posted this here out of outrage. Not really looking for actual insight from anyone.

best advice I have seen in this thread (or any thread for that matter) for a long time.
Words to live by.

The AP doesn't think so. They would have wanted payment.

So in other words, you are assuming this too.



Uck. Please don't call me "Dear." I hate that. It's almost always said as a euphemism for "B*tch."

So what type of bus it is, somehow 'proves' that they stuck together in one clump?



I don't know or have an opinion on the person in question one way or the other. I just think it illogical to assume the things that are being assumed. First of all to assume who wrote it, then to assume there is some coverup, then to assume that griefing is directly related to it, or that Lindens are griefing this person er, personally. Assumptions one on top of the next. Seems unfair.

I do not think it is ever right to grief anyone by the way.

Oh and I was talking about the accusations in general. I never called anyone crazy, and I did not even dismiss it, merely questioned it.



So when people asked if it was a statement or a question, it was more a statement, then?

I'm going to start placing a small 'tm' at the end of my posts and start collecting royalties when quoted. I accept paypal.

Just harkening back to the era of President Brush.

There are a few LL alts that ARE griefers lol
This dosent supprise me at all.
They did it this time out in the open.. no big supprise...

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[15:41] Prokofy Neva: have a dead chicken

I have managed to stay out of this thread until now but its gone too far.

Des flat said he didn't want to post his thoughts in a forum where the person in question is unable to defend herself.

It is just wrong to flatly post his words for him in that same forum as the person in question STILL cannot defend herself.

Des has done a great deal for many of us with his considered thoughts and opinions that he has posted here over the years. I think we owe him the respect of keeping to his wishes and NOT reposting what he said in another forum.

I'm capable of speaking for myself as well.

Yes, outrage. But also because there was a very perceptible veil of silence on the matter.

Lindens are in a position of authority. Their position in Second Life is roughly analogous to that of a Police officer, Judge, or other public servant. They make the rules, they apply the rules, they judge the breach of the rules.

If in real life, a police officer was found to be stealing, intimidating witnesses, or otherwise breaking the rules they were sworn to uphold, there would be a shitstorm of news about it, and hopefully, they would be held accountable for their actions, doubly so for betraying the trust of those they were to protect.

However, what we are seeing here is the same troubling sort of events that occur in real life with regularity these days. People look away, turn a blind eye. Blame the victim, refuse to entertain the idea that this 'public servant' could possibly be in the wrong.

It's even reached the point that police unions will mount counter attacks against their accusers, using the same filthy tactics that politicians use, to try to discredit the victim and the witnesses, and thereby further the corruption of their ranks.

People simply have to be informed. Nobody in this thread can claim they 'didn't know about it' now. Ignorance of the abuses is no longer an excuse to use as a way to claim innocence when this type of corruption continues, and escalates.

And I guarantee you, with each successful slip from accountability, it will escalate.

That's the purpose of this thread. To gauge people's attitudes about corruption of authority, and their willingness to express the proper outrage. And to send a message as well. Some will get it, some won't. Many won't care. Such is life.

As I said before, SL is just a microcosm of the real world. What's going on out there is far more serious. But If we're to make it better, I say we have to start somewhere. And if we can't even accomplish that in SL, well, what chance do we have in the world at large?

The terrain, the prims and the avatar meshes might not "real". People's feelings about they manner in which they are treated are very real.
The sort of behaviour that is the trigger for this thread is very real in its effect.

I remember reading of the baiting of Prok when I joined SL in early '07 , who has been targeted since that time and before then.
There's a lot of insight in the Des posting quoted secondhand above. Prok is the 'official' smelly kid. The one who is different and can be picked on by any weak pussy who wants affirmation from the gang.
Consider the suicides of school children. Don't tell them that bullying via MySpace, FaceBook and other on-line spaces isn't "real".

Harassment of anyone is counter to the TOS/CS, and rightfully so.
There are procedures for reporting and dealing with it.


The person isn't the issue. The behaviour is the issue.
If Prok harasses then raise an AR.
If a Linden harasses, ditto.

If an AR is ignored or is processed unfairly, then work on that problem.

In response to the OP: Pictures, or it didn't happen.

As for the principle of the thing, whether real or not, no, LL employees, contractors, volunteers, affiliates, etc, should not get involved in resident disputes by picking sides, or harass/grief other residents no matter what. Prokofy has her issues, but if they want to deal with her properly, they either need to ban her, or accept her wholesale, warts and all.

Hopefully, if there was misconduct, it will be dealt with internally. I know that at least some Lindens get in trouble when they screw up, and others who do willfully turn themselves in for reprimands. At any rate, it is a moot point, unless there is a pattern of verifiable evidence that this kind of misconduct is going on repeatedly.

I feel that the fact that Dez posted about this at all shows he has an opinion that he happily shared. Nothing he posted is anything Prok needs to defend herself against anyway.

Prok can alt and respond here if she wanted to - or respond in the other forum and have her response pasted here.

I have never considered Prok unable to defend herself.

I'm not sure your hero worship should be everyone's priority. But thank you for your opinion.

It is a public forum - not your personal blog. We refer to others here to make a point. And since you just confirmed I stated your exact motivations - I have no idea what the 'dig' was for.

Carry on.

...finally reaches this squalling teapot, discovers the commotion inside is about an SL personality who has been very troubled and very troublesome for a very long time, carefully puts the lid back on the teapot, and waits for the tempest inside to wear itself out.