Should LL employees enable griefers?

funny thing is, the whole one against another in this thread could have been avoided if the OP had not mentioned prok or the situation that took place or linked to the other information about said situation

IF the OP really wanted to just know, one simply question... as they stated in a later post

then the original post would not have had any of the info about prok or all that stuff surrounding it

they would have just asked the question

so I have to wonder, exactly what was the purpose of this whole thread?

From what I've seen of Prok in SL and the few times, I've checked the blog out,I wouldn't be surprised if Prok had attended the RL event and made enough of a tard of themselves to ask for this sort of treatment. You spend your life throwing poo at others and you got to expect it back by the bucket eventually.

Last I heard if you read into Proks and her alts schizophrenic ramblings, the Lindens weren't out to annoy Prok they were just plotting to kill her and her alts after implicating them in masterminding the JFK assasination

Pony Linden is behind all of this, killing all Prok Scion Prarie Chickens

Has this actually been reported elsewhere as it really happened or just on Proks or an alts Blog? Prok doesn't post in RA but you can bet her alts do............

I don't think there's any doubt what the purpose of the thread was.

Prok's history and current might explain why Prok is an irresistible target for a certain type of person.
That's no excuse. It's irrelevant. Griefing does not become non-griefing because some people don't like the victim.

Daniel Linden has been mentioned above.
In his famous (?) videoed session, he put it "You can bee an asshole in SL. You can come in and create mayhem. But as soon as you direct that against an individual or group, that's where we draw the line."

A Linden who is present at a griefing is not necessarily participating or condoning. Most of them have no power to act. They don't even have internal communication channels that are appropriate. Think of the vagueness between Blondin and Jack about the Zindra process.
Lindens probably have to submit an AR like everyone else and wait for a G-Team member in another office or another country deal with it.

If a Linden actually participated in griefing, then that's serious.
If a Linden was around a griefing and didn't even recognise it and AR it, that's also serious.

LL should take measures to ensure that Ceaser's wife is above suspicion.

Banksy did it.

Slander: A type of defamation. Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because slander is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. If the statement is made via broadcast media -- for example, over the radio or on TV -- it is considered libel, rather than slander, because the statement has the potential to reach a very wide audience.

So, it *might* be libel, but not slander. And since it does not make a statement about the person, rather requests a action, it would not even be libel. It would fall more into the threat category.

Bah, anything I say now will sound like bashing. I will simply state that I don't like Prok, but even Prok doesn't deserve the griefing. Ignored, yes, but griefed, no.

Prok is like Howard Stern.. people wanna see what he/she will say next. And Howard Stern's had some grief over doing that kind of thing.

Non-griefing doesn't become griefing because the "victim" goes stark raving ape s**t when someone of a certain name or group stands there and says "hi". (=_=)

Okay... There's a history here. But, look at what I was accused of. Particle attacks, replicating prims, disrupting discussion events. (>_<

Now, look at the fact of the matter.

I was exploring a mall alone after hearing that a small part of it got updated, the "victim" came to me *BANNED!*...

I visited a discussion, made some friends, the "victim" arrived *BANNED!*...

I was helping people navigate the freebie wall inside an infonode owned by the group I volunteer for to ~gasp~ HELP PEOPLE, the "victim" came to me *BANNED!*...

Two of the three times, I didn't even anticipate the arrival of our friend. All three times were used as accusatory events of my fantastic epic griefing agenda. All three times I was described as being connected to some posse of bobbing and weaving avatars with particle attacks and replicating cubes. (>_<

As a result... It has become COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE to believe the BS spewed on that blog any more. Just like when I was suspended for (sexual)ageplay while in a PG avatar, on PG land, in a PG event... On the surface and without investigation ~I~ was the one at fault. But, peel back one or two layers, get some real facts, and you start to see who the REAL greifer is. (=_=)

THis . . .


And this . . .


But this, not so much . . .


As for this . . .


Immy, no one here has disputed that Prok is . . . ahem . . . not easy to love. But even if she IS a "griefer" (which I don't think she is, by any reasonable definition), that's no excuse for griefing HER. Nor for blaming HER for the treatment that she is receiving from others.

In RL you have to, like, be married to someone or be stalked by a specific person before having that person just standing near you to be treated as harassment.

There seems to be 2 seperate questions

Do I think it acceptable to write "Ban Prok" in chalk?
- Yes I do - because from all the colorful nicknames we hear Prok gives people, Prok writes far more insulting things about other people.

Do I think its okay to go to the land to enable griefers?
- No I dont. Griefers should be eliminated

But this is SL and a land owner has almost absolute power over griefers, so I dont know why we hear they have been able to persistently grief her land

She should use all the land tools at her disposal against the offending group - ban, mute, disable scripts, disable object entry. disable push, autoreturn etc

But then she can't whine and cry and pretend to be a victim. Then go back to her attacks upon everyone else.

I don't know, I am kinda simple minded, but if you publish "enemies lists" you are gonna make a few enemies. I would think anyway.

Immy, I used to play pro sport which was reported in national newspapers. The journalists, who had no motivation to be other than impartial, factually accurate and perhaps amusing, seemed to have been watching a different game from the one I was playing in, most of the time. As a result I am inclined not to believe anything unless I see it myself. That's cynicism, not existentialism, and I am astonished that you (or anyone else) are naive enough to give any credence to any sort of published work that aims to achieve notoriety by sensationalising its "political" viewpoint.

Pep (Don't read it; when others ask you for a reaction, refuse, and get on with the things you enjoy.)

My point is, many of these claims of him/her being griefed, in my point of view and based on biases (s)he helped establish on my part, are completely and wholly fanciful beyond anything that has already been ARed and acted upon by Linden Lab. (>_<

Too many stories. Too many lies. I have been lied about. Nobody knows my truth more than myself and now that the lies have been applied to me (s)he has simply lost ALL my trust and benefit of the doubt. (>_<

(S)he says (s)he's being griefed. I say I refuse to believe that BS anymore. (>_<

She claimed in the chat log that people are using hacked viewers that somehow bypass estate bans. I don't know if there's any truth to that or not.

And, of course, you can't preemptively ban alts you don't know about.

I'll admit to being naive. I'll give pretty much anybody a chance or ten. (^_^)

Some things do just cut to the core. (>_<

Immy ( Be aware that I'm losing absolutely no sleep over any of this =^-^= )

It's a lie. Bans are managed on the server side. There's nothing a client ~can~ do to bypass it. Just like (s)he claimed I was using epic hacker skills to bypass a ban on commenting on the blog. All I did was use plain old vanilla Firefox. (S)he's doing it wrong. (=_=)

What??? No it's not. You people are as nuts as prok is.

If you walk around in RL and yell at random people and call them names and accuse them of horrible things, you WILL eventually get punched in the face. Saying this doesn't mean that I would ever do such a thing or that I encourage it or that I approve of it. It's just a simple fact of life, both RL and SL.

Tegg said nearly the same thing..

That graffiti sucks anyway.

THIS is graffiti:



Even LL's graffiti is amateurish.

If Prok would check the Jira, he would see there is a open ticket about this. It does not relate to the client at all, rather the server is not always returning the list of banned AV's fast enough to prevent entry.

I don't know exactly the nature of the estate in question, if it's intended to be publicly accessible or not, but in fact you do have the ability to pre-emptively ban alts you don't know about.

First, turn off scripts and object entry. Second, ban everybody. If you want this to extend above just the height of ban lines you will also have to use security orbs.

Third, whitelist the people you actually want to have access.

Done. All unknown alts are banned.

The problems with your nefarious methods are that they're logical, peaceful, successful, and fail to garner negative attention. (^_^)y

/me checks the thread out and finds that, predictably, it has devolved into a discussion of Prok's personality.

It is monumentally unfair to discuss a fellow resident's habits, manners and foibles in a public forum where they cannot respond. Even if said behavior is on public display in their blog; go THERE and say all this.
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Me too....