Should LL employees enable griefers?

I read the comments. Comment ten was the link to a town in Thailand. Comment eleven was an unattributed assertion by someone I have no reason to trust that a third party, who I would also have no reason to trust, that a Linden was involved. There is no evidence in there.

Blanket Statment: yes, as I stated earlier, you have the right to use your own judgement as to who is telling the truth. if you don't believe someone, so be it. That's what our judicial system is based on. I have presented my case, and now rest.

Oh, and because this thing has gone off the rails anyway:

the judicial system never would have given it so much as a hearing being based almost completely on hearsay and circumstantial evidence.

True, but this is what we old timers call "Frontier Justice". not to be confused with the justice handed out by anyone named Frontier, let me be very clear.

After reading the chat logs from the original post, I only really have one observation.

One jerk deserves another.

I think if it got to the judicial system - at least one of the bus load would have told the truth - or the security cameras in front of the building would tell the tale.

Ibtl!

You made the assertion. You presented evidence that shows one source claiming that another source with motivation to lie about it says that a Linden was involved. And the primary source claims the secondary source is untrustworthy. If we trust the primary source, in trusting that source we must NOT trust the secondary one!

If it does not fit, you must acquit!

-Johnny Cochran (RIP)

I'm amazed it took till page 6 for this to appear!

This whole thread is covered in bargepole repellent.

Here's a quote from what appears to be Rodney Linden's web site:



Not the most congenial attitude displayed there.

This whole thread should be deleted as completely inappropriate. Asking the question "Do you think it's right for a representative of LL to be targeting a resident and promoting harassment against said resident?" is okay, if only a little more meaningful than asking "Do you think its right to kick puppies or club baby seals to death?", but using it as a transparent pretext to present a statement made by source of questionable credibility as fact is way out of bounds and the only reason it is not an outright slam dunk for locking and deleting is that no specific individual has been mentioned.

Agreed

It became a 'Federal Case' when someone hung a small noose on a College professor's office door. There is photographic evidence involved with this bit of harassment. Never say Never.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2459/3846122632_39431470f0_o.jpg

From what I can make of the sources, what it appears is that

a) somebody (whom we will call "the griefer" purely for identification) somehow annoyed Prok, enough that he didn't want to associate with them;

b) the griefer then visited Prok's land, accompanied by a Linden who was associated with a group they were in (or at least had very similar dress sense );

c) because of the presence of the Linden, Prok felt obliged to "behave" or otherwise required to be nice to the griefer;

d) Prokofy felt humiliated as a result because the griefer had demonstrated that they could exert control over Prokofy's behaviour towards them and he could not respond in kind.

I'm sure that anyone who has been to school can remember this trick. It's the trick where the class bully acts good as gold to the teacher so that the teacher forces you to take her into your group (since to the teacher, _you_ look like an ass for refusing). She gets to send you the message, "I'm in control, you can't get away from me" and as soon as the teacher looks away she can start smashing stuff.

Should the Lindens encourage it? No. Can they really avoid encouraging it without not being socially involved with residents at all? No (remember that the Linden in this example, like the school teacher, was completely unaware of the social position between Prok and the griefer). Would it be so bad for Lindens to not be socially involved with residents? I'm not sure about that; it would change SL, but not necessarily for the worse.

Mind you, if that really was a Linden who wrote that comment on LL's office wall, they should be getting to take a long look at the outside of that wall pretty soon.

Especially when both the "He" and the "She" are Prok who blows every GD thing WAY out of proportion.

do you EVER think about what you're saying before you hit the 'submit' button?

Wow, I wondered the same thing about you. We're on the same page.

Photographic evidence of WHAT????????? That is a picture of graffiti on the outside of Linden Labs, that is all it is. Where is the picture of the Linden writing the graffiti? But hey, don't let facts, or lack there of, stand in anyone's ways.

*looks at the image that Lias provided because she honestly wants nothing to do with Prok's site*

Hmm... I see the words, "Plastic Duck was here." And PN.. and I ain't talking about Prok on that one. That explains everything. *wipes hands and walks away*

Where was that thread that asked what happened to the griefers....

Edit: I admit, if I walked into work one day and saw something like that around the door to my business, then heck yeah, I'd take a photo of it. Then I'd ask the boss what to do from there..

I see no noose here.

Have you read Megatokyo? It's definitely different.

As usual, you bring up some good points. It *is* entirely possible the Linden was not fully aware of situation. However, I think it does bring up troubling questions.

Personally, I do think Lindens should keep some professional distance between themselves and residents. The roughest analogy I can come up with is political parties. By joining a political party, you will seem to not only promote that party, but all of their views, even if that isn't the case. This is especially true when one is a celebrity, and the fact is, being a Linden is very much like being a celebrity. Simply by having a Linden in your group, you can be granted a lot of legitimacy and 'reputation'. It also bears a passing analog to having romantic relationships at work. The golden rule is 'don't crap where you work'.

I know many Lindens which are very careful about this. Obviously some are not so careful.

You really are losing it a little more each day. How is writing "Ban Prok" on a wall slander? Do you know what slander is? Probably not since I have seen you do it in these forums. If they had written "Prok was banned because ______" That might be slander. Maybe.