Should LL employees enable griefers?

I agree with you; you've got a good read on human nature, here.

But even so, when it's so very predictable that a response will increase the level of trolling/griefing, it's difficult not to be a little exasperated with those who give a response (even if giving a response is part of their personality).

I never met this "Prok" dude/dudess ..

But .. This is priceless .. Had me chuckling for a good many minutes now .. Classic comedy.



[15:32] PN: this person was permabanned and is back on an alt, and is the person who invites all the griefers into Woodbury who come and crash my sims and kill my chickens

[15:32] RL: kill your chickens?
[15:32] You decline RL's Bear from RL.

[15:33] PN: I don't want your bear

[15:41] RL: Well, it was nice meeting you, please have a bear.
[15:41] RL accepted your inventory offer.
[15:41] PN: have a dead chicken



Disclaimer : I don't know what's going down here and am not involved .. Just made me laugh .. "Thats all folks"

Darien, you'd have been better off using a hypothetical situation, rather than the issues Prok is having. It's rather hard for some of us to forget Prok when Prok's name has been brought up.

I'll try the hypothetical answer, then.

1. If they tagged the building in chalk, and it was aimed at me, no. I wouldn't have a major concern about it, because honestly, it's chalk and I'm no where near the Linden Labs building.

2. If a Linden employee was standing outside watching them do it, without stopping them, then yeah... I might have a slight problem.

3. If the employee was rooting for them, then yeah, I'd have one heck of a problem.

4. If that employee allowed and in fact encouraged them to grief me in world.. oh, hell hath no fury.

So, there's the answer. No, it's not right for a Linden to abuse their powers to enable or encourage griefers to go after anyone. In fact, it's rather bad business to allow it to happen, and if I was an owner of a business, they'd be fired if proven of wrong-doing. Personal grudges have no place in the workplace.. especially when it's aimed at a customer. If you can't, then get someone else to handle that customer's issue.

Yes, it's true.

/me took it as a joke. Somebody, LL employees or not, went and chalked up a wall. They wrote stupid and childish things in an attempt to look like griefers. If they had put up "ban Meade," I would have taken pictures and stuffed it in my profile.

I have a hard time forgetting who this is about because the person in question has, IMO, a long history of looking for problems and going off even if they can't find any. I remember an implication in the blog comments from this person that because I am against using aristotle, I must have some hidden agenda for not wanting to protect the children.

It was a joke. If the person in question didn't take themselves so damn seriously, they might have gotten a laugh from it. Instead - zomg zomg zomg - chalk!! - it's this huge dramatic issue and heads must role and yadda yadda blah blah.


Barking mad residents or actual sane ones? I would like to hear about such things happening to sane ones, though I fear this thread will have a short lifespan.

Need to start with this one first as I see no examples where LL employees were engaged in attacks.

Just to clarify,

I wasn't referring to Prok. I was referring to rank and file Linden Research employees. They cannot respond here.

Nor can we cite specific cases easily without a lot of doublespeak. The "naming names" forum rule and the risk of inworld suspension.

Obviously, employees should respond in a professional manner. But especially in the case of concerns about unprofessional conduct, this stuff needs to go straight to management.

Rest assured it will.

Prok is banned from resident answers and has been for some time. He's only allowed to post in classifieds and events I think, he certainly isn't allowed right to reply here.

Well obviously no Linden employee should aid a griever, and in the case of the chalking event, I was somewhat shocked to hear that it may have been a Linden that chalked it.

as for the later supposed offences specifically directed at said individual above (as specified by those 3 additional links), well it all seems rather silly... The visiting members, one member of woodbury university, and one Linden who was teleported along, were automatically accused of a variety of charges by the said individual almost imediatly on arival. from my perspective both parties would have reason to want to try and resolve things with this individual, Woodbury as a complete group has been accused of targeting this persons chickens, (there's more to the chicken element but not too necessary to mention right now), and the Linden's have been suspected of aiding a chalking against him, though said mystery Linden was probably there as more of a mediator, or as a being to soften the blow of a Woodbury member being in one of his public info hubs. Obviously said Linden didnt quite know why he was there he was asked to be there and teleported accordingly...

Said individual laid into both of these members imediately, by all appearances trying to incite a backlash of some sort. In this he not only accused this Linden of being the one who chalked the words at LL's offices BUT also later entered this Linden's group with one of his alts and Attacked and accused them openly there as well up untill he was suspended.

Now the claim that Woodbury is indeed a "Known griefer group" is very much in disrepute. till this last week I knew very little about woodbury university, untill a very good friend of mine got slandered on this very individual's blog. her only crime being that she is in woodbury university's group (and I dont care what this person says, we've already proven the majority of it false in various other threads). Now I personally dont believe that Woodbury is a known griefer group, I truely dont believe it is. Fact is, (and I only really found out this last week), half my friends list is in Woodbury and I Truely and totally believe they are completely innocent of causing grief, many in fact aid in the fight against it, and double as new member helpers and mentors.

so in my honest opinion, LL employee's have yet to actually aid or "enable" anything... The chalk thing should be investigated... but your other argument is based on the assumption that woodbury is in fact a griefer group... which only a fraction of people probably believe.

Daniel Linden. Griefer Aider.

ok, so I don't get out much, and while I'm aware of backlash against prok for a blog posting re:Rheta Shan (who happened to be a friend).... what exactly IS the overall grudge about?

I would be amused if Philip made them come in over the weekend to clean it off - we'd need pictures of that - but I hope nothing else happens.

This particular incident is getting blown waaaay out of proportion, IMO. People are thinking far more about every possible bad thing it could mean instead of what it probably means.

I don't think the chalk thing got Prok's skirt all in a twist. It was the 'after party' when they all came back to Second Life after the convention and wanted to continue their little fun campaign. Some people have limits and know when the party is over. Some see the Lindens allowing them to write on a wall as an all-day pass to harass someone. That's the problem with mobs - no quality control.

Chronicle of the exploits of Woodbury:

http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/04/griefer_u.html

The subsequent seizure and deletion of their sim:

http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/07/woodbury-univer.html

There is plenty of evidence out there about all the exploits of Woodbury. I could start a long, boring thread about all the things they have done. The fact is Woodbury is nothing but a cover for B-Tards from 4Chan and all of the other grief-spawning areas of the net.

Like most infections, it mutated and came back, and is resistant to the current treatments. so more aggressive medicine must be used.

I would prefer the title to be "Does Linden Lab enable griefers?" (=_=)

Why?

Because, given my own recent experience, I believe very few have identified who the REAL griefer is. (=_=)

Yep, and the only Linden mentioned is, IIRC, part of the team in Texas. Did he even go out to SLCC?

Pics please. Or other substantiating proof of this allegation. For the record, in the interest of fairness, I have good reason to dislike Prof personally, based on comments specifically made about me on said individual's blog. However, if the intent is to make us believe that Linden Lab, through condoning the actions of one of their employees, is encouraging griefing against Prok, I expect you're prepared to back these allegations up with valid concrete proof. None of which has been provided here.

The ball's in your court to prove your assertation that the actions of the Linden in question are the indisputable fact you are presenting here.

I think it would be damned funny if a Linden of any stripe were provoked into answering here. But Prok can't, so...

Oh, what the hell: I've seen Prok griefed at a Linden office hour.* Nobody should get the kind of crap to which Prok is regularly subjected in-world.

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*Certainly not by those Lindens in that case, nor would it have helped if they'd tried to intervene on the spot. That's not my point.

People seem to be getting off thread. It's a simple question:

Do you think it's right for a representative of LL to be targeting a resident and promoting harassment against said resident?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

I've already answered. With a simple yes or no.

Now: have you evidence that it's happened?

An even simpler question that you seem to have ignored. Show us where a Linden partook in any griefing or enabled it.

You are essentially asking "have you stopped beating your wife?" with zero evidence. Stop trolling.

Like much of Real Life, and certainly the internet, All I have is a he said, she said evidence. But I happen to believe the source:

http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2009/08/grotesque.html

Comments 10 and 11. Everyone will have to make their own judgement as to whether they believe the source or not. Personally I've always found her statements to be true and accurate. ANd if the woodbury people who said this to her were lying, then it just proves what losers they are.

I don't know about this case, but at the Oatmeal age verification parcels, a Linden stood by and allowed it to happen.